Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Help Wanted

[guymez]

This is apples to oranges though. I’m saying Gibsons 25 games this year might suggest he can be back to the elite goaltender he was for 6 seasons.

Campbell was a one hit wonder as a starter and his weak mind ended his career.

How do you define elite?

 

[McTonyBrar]

Jokiharju is bad and Buffalo is apparently trying to trade him. They can keep him.

I’ll take him over our right side Dmen. Other than Bouchard and Emberson, they are shit. He may play better here since we’re a better team

 

[Jarvi]

I'd say no because the cost favors Boston too much.

A 1st for Marchy isn't too bad. Not thrilled on giving up Rodrigue, just because with our luck and history with goalies, I can see him thriving elsewhere.

I'd want to try and get Kastelic from them too. Not sure his value, but a relatively young, big, physical RHC who is good on the dot would be a great add.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

This is apples to oranges though. I’m saying Gibsons 25 games this year might suggest he can be back to the elite goaltender he was for 6 seasons.

Campbell was a one hit wonder as a starter and his weak mind ended his career.

Assuming you mean the first 6 seasons and not the most previous 6 seasons where he's sucked

 

[McDoused]

Alex Tuch would be my #1 target with 36 EVP this year.

Marchand would be # 2 with 33 EVP.

Donato would be #3 with 32 EVP.

Any of those guys would be huge improvements for this year.

By contrast Hyman has 23 EVP, RNH has 21, J Skinner has 19 and Arvidsson had 17.

 

[aspin3]

Really? He would definitely return a first if he does get traded, and Rodrigue is a low-level prospect frankly. I think that would be an easy yes from the Oilers.

He isn't a low level prospect. Maybe not tier 1 but was in the NHL prospect showcase this summer. Low level prospects don't get picked for that.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

How do you define elite?

That’s an elite stretch imo.

 

[soothsayer]

He isn't a low level prospect. Maybe not tier 1 but was in the NHL prospect showcase this summer. Low level prospects don't get picked for that.

I mean, he's not a throw-in, but he's not going to move the needle very much.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Alex Tuch would be my #1 target with 36 EVP this year.

Marchand would be # 2 with 33 EVP.

Donato would be #3 with 32 EVP.

Any of those guys would be huge improvements for this year.

By contrast Hyman has 23 EVP, RNH has 21, J Skinner has 19 and Arvidsson had 17.

Tuch would be unreal. He’s also on my fantasy team so that would be just fantastic heading into playoffs.

No way we win that bidding war though.

 

[guymez]

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That’s an elite stretch imo.

So for you elite is having a sv% of 0.914 or higher?
Correct?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

So for you elite is having a sv% of 0.914 or higher?
Correct?

For that long of a stretch? Yes.

 

[soothsayer]

So for you elite is having a sv% of 0.914 or higher?
Correct?

The guy may not have been elite for 6 straight years, but he did have a stretch where he was arguably a top 5 goaltender. From 2015 to 2019, he was excellent with a few vezina-caliber years in there.

 

[Tarus]

I'd say no because the cost favors Boston too much.

A low 1st round pick and nothing prospect for a Marchand rental favors Boston too much?

Oilers paid that for Henrique, and Marchand is a much better player.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Why is Utah trading vejmelka? And why is Buffalo trading jokiharju and retaining for a waiver wire pick up?


Unrealistic and terrible trade proposals

Honestly the Oilers could add like a dozen 1st. Kapanen is a cap dump, maybe think harder

 

[Canovin]

Gotta think Kane knows he’s getting traded next season or offseason so why not try to exercise a trade now

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Is this true?

Rodrigue is NOT doing really well in the AHL.

 

[Oilhawks]

Gibson has been elite, even if his best days are behind him. Stuart never has been and never will be

 

[guymez]

For that long of a stretch? Yes.

If you go through the years of NHL sv% data you will find that 0.914 is not elite.

I would suggest that to be elite your sv% would have to be a top 5 of NHL goalies.
That suggests that your sv% has to be at or just under 0.920.

I think that most posters would agree with that but some posters might even suggest that elite is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. That means a sv% of 0.920 or better. thats proabaly where I would suggest the demarc for elite is but this is about your definition of elite.

You also have to have a minimum number of games played and that means that Gibsons stats prior to 2015/16 do not count as the sv% is skewed due to not enough games.
So we are really talking about 3 years of elite goaltending based on sv%.

If you go through the data year after year you will find that a 0.914 sv% is going to be around 11th - 12th overall.

So 3 out of the 10 years had Gibsons numbers in the elite catagory. The last time that happened was in 2017/18. 7 years ago.

So your argument is that Gibsons elite stretch (which happened 7 years ago) can be predicted by his 25 games of 0.911 sv% this season?

Just as a note of interest...Skinner had a sv% of 0.914 in 2022/23. He played 50 games that season as well.
One of his 3 seasons as a starter he was elite according to your definition.
So in 33% of Skinners career he was an elite goalie....acording to your demarc of 0.914 sv%.

 

[VeteranPresence]

If you go through the years of NHL sv% data you will find that 0.914 is not elite.

I would suggest that to be elite your sv% would have to be a top 5 of NHL goalies.
That suggests that your sv% has to be at or just under 0.920.

I think that most posters would agree with that but some posters might even suggest that elite is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. That means a sv% of over 0.920.

You also have to have a minimum number of games played and that means that Gibsons stats prior to 2015/16 do not count as the sv% is skewed due to not enough games.
So we are really talking about 3 years of elite goaltending based on sv%.

If you go through the data year after year you will find that a 0.914 sv% is going to be around 11th - 12th overall.

So 3 out of the 10 years had Gibsons numbers in the elite catagory. The last time that happened was in 2017/18. 7 years ago.

So your argument is that Gibsons elite stretch (which happened 7 years ago) can be predicted by his 25 games of 0.914 sv% this season?

Just as a note of interest...Skinner had a sv% of 0.914 in 2022/23. He played 50 games that season as well.
One of his 3 seasons as a starter he was elite according to your definition.
So in 33% of Skinners career he was an elite goalie....acording to your demarc of 0.914 sv%.

Blah blah Skinner is the greatest goalie in the NHL blah blah it’s the stats and everyone’s eyes who are wrong blah

 

[guymez]

The guy may not have been elite for 6 straight years, but he did have a stretch where he was arguably a top 5 goaltender. From 2015 to 2019, he was excellent with a few vezina-caliber years in there.

I would say for 3 years but the problem is that he hasnt been close to that level for 7 years now and a 25 game sample size of 0.911 is not predictive of a return to elite level goaltending.

Blah blah Skinner is the greatest goalie in the NHL blah blah it’s the stats and everyone’s eyes who are wrong blah

Okay...put the bottle down and go watch a comedy.

 

[soothsayer]

I would say for 3 years but the problem is that he hasnt been close to that level for 7 years now and a 25 game sample size of 0.914 is not predictive of a return to elite level goaltending.

I agree it's been too long to expect him to get back to that caliber. That said, I think he could be a top 10 goalie again in the right circumstances. I don't think Skinner could ever be that. That's where my cost-benefit analysis sways me toward Gibson personally. I've always been a big fan.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

If you go through the years of NHL sv% data you will find that 0.914 is not elite.

I would suggest that to be elite your sv% would have to be a top 5 of NHL goalies.
That suggests that your sv% has to be at or just under 0.920.

I think that most posters would agree with that but some posters might even suggest that elite is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. That means a sv% of over 0.920.

You also have to have a minimum number of games played and that means that Gibsons stats prior to 2015/16 do not count as the sv% is skewed due to not enough games.
So we are really talking about 3 years of elite goaltending based on sv%.

If you go through the data year after year you will find that a 0.914 sv% is going to be around 11th - 12th overall.

So 3 out of the 10 years had Gibsons numbers in the elite catagory. The last time that happened was in 2017/18. 7 years ago.

So your argument is that Gibsons elite stretch (which happened 7 years ago) can be predicted by his 25 games of 0.914 sv% this season?

Just as a note of interest...Skinner had a sv% of 0.914 in 2022/23. He played 50 games that season as well.
One of his 3 seasons as a starter he was elite according to your definition.
So in 33% of Skinners career he was an elite goalie....acording to your demarc of 0.914 sv%.

Oh come on. He was an elite goalie for a long stretch and you are just being ridiculous trying to deny that.

Your skinner part doesn’t even deserve a response. It’s pretty clear that I’m not saying 1 season means elite.

 

[McAsuno]

Gibson has been elite, even if his best days are behind him. Stuart never has been and never will be

Funny thing is, the doubt on Gibson is exactly the same kind of things I heard months ago about why some posters were against trading for Blackwood.

Imagine Skinner playing on Eakins coached shit ducks team. He'd probably be in the Euro leagues already.

 

[guymez]

I agree it's been too long to expect him to get back to that caliber. That said, I think he could be a top 10 goalie again in the right circumstances. I don't think Skinner could ever be that. That's where my cost-benefit analysis sways me toward Gibson personally. I've always been a big fan.

I would agree with you on the highlighted.
I think that there may be potential for that but I just dont know if 25 games at 0.911 is enough for me to to be convinced of that.

Its a risky move.

This post is so dumb.

Okay...explain why.

 

[foshizzle]

A low 1st round pick and nothing prospect for a Marchand rental favors Boston too much?

Oilers paid that for Henrique, and Marchand is a much better player.

Oilers grossly overpaid for Henrique. The oilers were the only team to give up a 1st rounder last deadline. Better players went for less