Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg, Holloway and Ceci are Gone, Do We Add Another D Before Camp?

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McTonyBrar

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WELCOME BACK LEON!!!!!!!!! I don’t care about the money as much. I care about the years!! Wooooo!!!

Kevin Karius isn’t much of an insider usually but he ended his show off saying stuff like “there may be a few more things happening this week”.
 
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Loving all the "mAnAgEmEnT fAiLeD By NoT dEfErRiNg MoNeY oN tHiS dEaL" takes already out there lol

I knew once Carolina did that that would be the new rallying cry by the usual suspects on here. "I'm so mad about this thing that is extremely complicated that I just learned about yesterday!!!"
 

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Management needs to fix the RD. I can’t celebrate a Draisaitl deal with this D corps. Maybe he would have signed for less if they kept his buddy Ceci and looked to be competent at maintaining a competitive Defence. Hard to imagine winning in front of this group if you’re big D.
 

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Wanted something closer to 13.5, but I’m not going to lose sleep over 500k-700k for one of two biggest pieces to win a cup the next 5 years.

Hopefully this means McDavid also re-signing with us
 
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Management needs to fix the RD. I can’t celebrate a Draisaitl deal with this D corps. Maybe he would have signed for less if they kept his buddy Ceci and looked to be competent at maintaining a competitive Defence. Hard to imagine winning in front of this group if you’re big D.
Lol lots of time to replace Ceci. Enjoy the moment.
 
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Loving all the "mAnAgEmEnT fAiLeD By NoT dEfErRiNg MoNeY oN tHiS dEaL" takes already out there lol

I knew once Carolina did that that would be the new rallying cry by the usual suspects on here. "I'm so mad about this thing that is extremely complicated that I just learned about yesterday!!!"

"I'm mad Stan didn't just force him to take that contract structure! Players should just be ok deferring a massive amount of money and should just say yes to whatever the team demands!"

Of all things, some people's complete inability to understand that there are two sides to a negotiation, and that the team can't just waive a wand and do what they want that is probably the most grating. Way too much time on GM mode in NHL24 has rotted perspectives.
 

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"I'm mad Stan didn't just force him to take that contract structure! Players should just be ok deferring a massive amount of money and should just say yes to whatever the team demands!"

Of all things, some people's complete inability to understand that there are two sides to a negotiation, and that the team can't just waive a wand and do what they want that is probably the most grating. Way too much time on GM mode in NHL24 has rotted perspectives.
Well said. I feel it has needed to be repeated all summer, especially the bolded.
 

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I would guess then McDavid at 16 and Bouchard at 10-11.

This front office better knock it out of the park with every other contract they sign because they're not going to have the benefit of a lot of cap room even with a rising cap.
 

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Or the other play I think is to bridge Bouchard at like 2 years x 8.7m or something which will take him straight to UFA.

Now of course we know the downsides of bridge deals, Oilers may regret not giving him 11 long term now.

Savoie really needs to pan out as a top 6 forward.

Kane has to be traded after this season if not in-season. Henrique probably also has to be dumped next summer.

So the way I see it

Gone this season or next off-season (2025): Kane, 1 of Henrique or Kulak, maybe both

Gone in summer 2027: Nurse
 
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soothsayer

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Where do I start?
- Typically collateralized loans aren't at face value
- Kane's bankruptcy proceedings have added material risk to borrowing against SPCs.
- Collateralized loans aren't at low interest rates, or even prime. You're typically getting closer to the high yield territory of 10%+ unless it is extremely over-collateralized and with highly liquid assets
- Income tax isn't being avoided/evaded or turned into capital gains tax. Capital gains are paid on the capital return minus interest paid. Income tax is still paid on the salary. Your suggestion of a conservative investment at 5-6% likely will not cover the interest on the loan.
- The Canadian government is currently in the middle of a battle with John Tavares over jurisdiction for where his taxes should be paid on his bonus, this is far from settled law at this point.

That just scratches the surface, but hopefully this helps.
This guy accountants.
 
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Hypothetical rosters for the two years after this one:

2025-26: Assuming a 92 million cap (4 million rise from current), also assuming Oilers bridge Bouchard (2 year deal) instead of long term as they probably have no choice. 91.5 million cap hit with no extra forward (500k cap room)

BLANK (4) McDavid (12.5) Hyman (5.5)
RNH (5.125) Draisaitl (14) Arvidsson (4)
blank (1.5) blank (2) Savoie (0.863)
blank (1) blank (1.25) blank (0.9)
53.4

Ekholm (6) Bouchard (8.7)
Nurse 9.25 Babysitter (4)
Kulak (2.7) Emberson (1.5)
Akey (0.863)
33

Skinner (2.6)
Pickard (1)
Campbell buy out (2.3)
5.9

91.5 cap hit/92 mill cap roof

2026-27: Assuming 96 million cap (another 4 mill rise). 94.08 (just a shade under 2 mill in cap room). I have Ekholm re-upping at a lower 4 mill cap hit.

blank (5) McDavid (16) Hyman (5.5)
RNH (5.125) Drai (14) Savoie (0.863)
blank (2) blank (2) blank (1)
blank (1) blank (1.5) blank (1)
(0.8) blank
55.78

Ekholm (4) Bouchard (8.7)
Nurse (9.25) Babysitter (4)
Akey (0.863) RD (2)
900k blank
29.713

Goalie (5)
Back Up (1)
Campbell buyout 2.6
8.6

94.08 cap hit/96 mill cap roof

To keep Bouchard long term you probably have to trade Nurse in summer 2027 and then sign him to big contract post-bridge (12m?)
 
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Hypothetical rosters for the two years after this one:

2025-26: Assuming a 92 million cap (4 million rise from current), also assuming Oilers bridge Bouchard (2 year deal) instead of long term as they probably have no choice. 91.5 million cap hit with no extra forward (500k cap room)

BLANK (4) McDavid (12.5) Hyman (5.5)
RNH (5.125) Draisaitl (14) Arvidsson (4)
blank (1.5) blank (2) Savoie (0.863)
blank (1) blank (1.25) blank (0.9)
53.4

Ekholm (6) Bouchard (8.7)
Nurse 9.25 Babysitter (4)
Kulak (2.7) Emberson (1.5)
Akey (0.863)
33

Skinner (2.6)
Pickard (1)
Campbell buy out (2.3)
5.9

91.5 cap hit/92 mill cap roof

2026-27: Assuming 96 million cap (another 4 mill rise). 94.08 (just a shade under 2 mill in cap room). I have Ekholm re-upping at a lower 4 mill cap hit.

blank (5) McDavid (16) Hyman (5.5)
RNH (5.125) Drai (14) Savoie (0.863)
blank (2) blank (2) blank (1)
blank (1) blank (1.5) blank (1)
(0.8) blank
55.78

Ekholm (4) Bouchard (8.7)
Nurse (9.25) Babysitter (4)
Akey (0.863) RD (2)
900k blank
29.713

Goalie (5)
Back Up (1)
Campbell buyout 2.6
8.6

94.08 cap hit/96 mill cap roof

To keep Bouchard long term you probably have to trade Nurse in summer 2027 and then sign him to big contract post-bridge (12m?)
We still have Henrique for 2025-26. I've said this before if Nurse is still around after next year, we will be seeing Jarventie, Lavoie, Savoie, possibly Wanner and Akey in the lineup.
 

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We still have Henrique for 2025-26. I've said this before if Nurse is still around after next year, we will be seeing Jarventie, Lavoie, Savoie, possibly Wanner and Akey in the lineup.

1 of Henrique or Kulak have to be traded next summer. Is what it is. You can keep one, but likely not both.

Kane has to be traded probably at the deadline this year in a deal for a right D and that probably means a 1st round pick (2026) is going out to make that work.
 

GOilers88

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1 of Henrique or Kulak have to be traded next summer. Is what it is. You can keep one, but likely not both.

Kane has to be traded probably at the deadline this year in a deal for a right D and that probably means a 1st round pick (2026) is going out to make that work.
Kulak and Henrique next summer seems like a natural progression at this point. Every year should involve a couple of older depth guys out and a couple newer ones in for cheaper.

Here's to hoping they can be sent off with a ring.
 
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Soundwave

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Kulak and Henrique next summer seems like a natural progression at this point. Every year should involve a couple of older depth guys out and a couple newer ones in for cheaper.

Here's to hoping they can be sent off with a ring.

That Henrique deal I think is kind of regrettable. Like he's a good player, but given his age, I think we should have resigned Broberg at the 1.8 his camp initially asked for and locked out any chance of an offersheet.

You can find a 3C at the trade deadline. It's a nice to have, not a must have.
 

GOilers88

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That Henrique deal I think is kind of regrettable. Like he's a good player, but given his age, I think we should have resigned Broberg at the 1.8 his camp initially asked for and locked out any chance of an offersheet.

You can find a 3C at the trade deadline. It's a nice to have, not a must have.
Feel like you could go either way really but that's fair.

For years it feels like they've been going in without a solid 3C so it's nice to flip that and go into the season with one this time though.
 

Soundwave

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The deadline deal this deadline will probably be like

EDM 1st (2026) + STL 2nd + Evander Kane
for
a d-man like Larsson (SEA), Brodie (CHI), or Provorov (COL) + a young player

Kane has to be gone before the start of next season, there's just a given, you might as well kill two birds with one stone this way.
 
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