Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg, Holloway and Ceci are Gone, Do We Add Another D Before Camp?

[bobbythebrain]

Nurse is a legitimate top pairing defenseman when he's on the top of his game.

Say what now? In 10 years he had 2 brief stretches where he looked solid. A few months w/ Bear and a few months w/ Ceci.
The entire covid season was an absolute joke
and should be omitted.

As for post seasons, he's an absolute mess.

Legitimate top pairing???? Not in this universe

 

[Canovin]

That sounds like the perfect argument for why they should stay as far from Deangelo as possible haha.

He's going to need PP time to hit 50 points, so we're reducing Bouchard's PP minutes and increasing his chance of injury on the PK. Noooooo thank you.

9M+ for Bouchard to be a specialist?

 

[McDoused]

When the PP is as good as ours is, I think you have to play it. Its a weapon other teams can’t stop.

That being said, I do think the team has to find more opportunities to get more guys involved.

We have games where PP1 is being too cute and trying to pass the puck into the net. I hope we use PP2 more in situation. Also using PP2 more in games where we are up would be good.

I also hope that we see more lines out in empty net situations. A prime example would be Janmark-Henrique-Brown. They should excel in that situation. Getting some guys goals early in the season will help the team feel better in general.

No one has really talked about it, but our PP wasn't great in the last couple of rounds of the playoffs.

Having a second unit might help with that. Some group of:

Skinner/Henrique/Kane/Arvidsson
Nurse/Ekholm/DeAngelo

Not a bad second unit.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Say what now? In 10 years he had 2 brief stretches where he looked solid. A few months w/ Bear and a few months w/ Ceci.
The entire covid season was an absolute joke
and should be omitted.

As for post seasons, he's an absolute mess.

Legitimate top pairing???? Not in this universe

Nurse can be effective but his biggest problem is all the self-inflicted wounds. But yeah, that North division... f***ing Holland, man.

 

[foshizzle]

9M+ for Bouchard to be a specialist?

He’s far from a PP specialist.

 

[Canovin]

He’s far from a PP specialist.

For 9M or whatever he's getting, he should be doing everything required as a #1D. None of this he might get hurt from playing on the PK

 

[foshizzle]

of course
because coaches usually play the better players more minutes than the worse ones

simple logic you can't grasp lol

So I guess Nurse is a top pairing defenseman in the league due to mins he was playing prior to this year.

For 9M or whatever he's getting, he should be doing everything required as a #1D. None of this he might get hurt from playing on the PK

He does.

Amongst the league leaders in zone denials, puck retrievals, successful zone exits, successful zone entries, and an xGAR% of 88. He had better metrics than Hughes and Makar last season. He doesn’t need to play on the PK- how many mins do you want him to play in a game?

 

[guymez]

Stecher playing top four in Vancouver was like Ethan Bear thriving in those minutes here with Nurse. Nurse is a legitimate top pairing defenseman when he's on the top of his game.

For what it's worth, his results on the PK in Vancouver were high end.

Nurse is a 2nd pairing dman at best on a Stanley Cup Contender such as this team.
Even on the 2nd pair (playing very limited minutes against the other teams best players) he is over his head on occasion.

Nurse isnt even close to replacing the smart hockey decisions and consistent play that Ekholm delivers night in and night out.

 

[McDNicks17]

For 9M or whatever he's getting, he should be doing everything required as a #1D. None of this he might get hurt from playing on the PK

What's the point?

You've got guys at the bottom of the roster who can PK. Let Josh Brown throw himself in front of pucks while Bouchard plays 25 minutes of elite hockey.

 

[Canovin]

So I guess Nurse is a top pairing defenseman in the league due to mins he was playing prior to this year.


He does.

Amongst the league leaders in zone denials, puck retrievals, successful zone exits, successful zone entries, and an xGAR% of 88. He had better metrics than Hughes and Makar last season. He doesn’t need to play on the PK- how many mins do you want him to play in a game?

Hughes and Makar play on the PK

 

[guymez]

I think the better example would be Justin Schultz playing top pairing here.

Darnell did well when he was playing those minutes during those years.

Well...Darnell treaded water with those minutes.
There is a reason he is 2nd pairing on this team.

Remember when Ceci was playing top pairing minutes, that was just 18 months ago ......

Just like Nurse palyig top pairing minutes...the very definition of unsustainable.

 

[Canovin]

What's the point?

You've got guys at the bottom of the roster who can PK. Let Josh Brown throw himself in front of pucks while Bouchard plays 25 minutes of elite hockey.

Is J. Brown even guaranteed to make the roster?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

So I guess Nurse is a top pairing defenseman in the league due to mins he was playing prior to this year.

in the league? no...on the Oilers? yes, his ES outscoring metrics were great prior to last season

Stetcher was playing bottom pairing minutes on an AWFUL defense on an AWFUL Yotes team....but suddenly gonna come here on a great team and play up the lineup?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

in the league? no...on the Oilers? yes, his ES outscoring metrics were great prior to last season

Stetcher was playing bottom pairing minutes on an AWFUL defense on an AWFUL Yotes team....but suddenly gonna come here on a great team and play up the lineup?

We just need him to tread water until the deadline.

You seem to forget who he’s replacing

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Boston is in a tough spot. Have a tough time giving goalies 8 years at high cap, but at the same time what choice to they really have?

His numbers speak for themselves and while maybe you can play the card that it's the Bruins system that makes guys look so good, I just don't know that you'll convince him and his agent to buckle.

I get Boston maybe only wanting the shorter term, but then that's going to cost you even more on the cap hit.

On the flip side Sweeney already been in the job for 9 years so by the time term is an issue is he really going to be the GM anyway? Just lock him up long-term and screw over the next guy while you sit in the owners pressbox eating popcorn as President of hockey operations.


We had McLeod, but his speed wasn't necessarily used properly. But then you have a guy like Henrique as you say as a meh skater, but how often is he in the right spot on both ends of the ice?

Speed is great, but the flip side is if you don't have the IQ your speed takes you further out of position quicker lol

Re: McLeod. I’ve never seen someone skate away from a corner so fast…

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

We just need him to tread water until the deadline.

You seem to forget who he’s replacing

that's a big ask for a guy who hasn't played top 4 minutes in 6 years

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Just doesn’t seem like we’d be able to offer the type of deployment or role to make Deangelo effective. If we’re going for that player type I’m sure they’d prefer to give Barrie a go as he was a popular teammate.

I think for the first half of the season the two spots behind Bouchard will be filled with a rotation of Emberson, Stetcher and Brown and unless he completely bombs, Emberson will probably be in the lineup more often so they can make that 50 game mark to preserve his rfa status. Other then that maybe a guy like Barrie gets a contract out of a pto and possibly Kemp pushes his way into the conversation or very unlikely dark horse, like Akey or Wanner really forces their way into the conversation.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Is J. Brown even guaranteed to make the roster?

I suspect he was signed to the kind of contract he was because it makes it way less likely any team claims him on waivers. For at least a couple of years, he'll be a swing man between Bako and Edmonton on the right side who can jump up to the #6 spot when needed. He'll otherwise will be a really good mentor to the younger Condors plus make them a better team overall.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I suspect he was signed to the kind of contract he was because it makes it way less likely any team claims him on waivers. For at least a couple of years, he'll be a swing man between Bako and Edmonton on the right side who can jump up to the #6 spot when needed. He'll otherwise will be a really good mentor to the younger Condors plus make them a better team overall.

Also who can be heavy to help the kids down there as well. Not to "scare" anyone, more so kids don't have to step up as much themselves.

 

[Louis Cypher]

If Stecher is the teams full time, 2nd pairing D then we can kiss winning a Cup this year goodbye. He's a fine 6/7 but that's about it.

We will be pining for Ceci if Stecher is our 2nd pairing D this year.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

We will be pining for Ceci if Stecher is our 2nd pairing D this year.

I feel like most of this place wanted Stecher in for Ceci last year but he was hurt.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I feel like most of this place wanted Stecher in for Ceci last year but he was hurt.

Ceci is now valuable since he’s no longer an oiler.

Last year lots of people wanted in stecher for him

 

[Slats432]

Nurse. Nurse is a legitimate top pairing defenseman when he's on the top of his game.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Demko and now Silovs with knee issues. Gonna be interesting in Vancouver this fall.

 

[belair]

Well...Darnell treaded water with those minutes.
There is a reason he is 2nd pairing on this team.


Just like Nurse palyig top pairing minutes...the very definition of unsustainable.

Treaded water? He's been a regular 23+ minute a night defender for the past seven seasons with next to no PP. He plays a lot with McDavid, but he's also faced the other teams top threats for years.

Down season last year and his role has changed because we now have Ekholm.

Nurse is an important player on that defense. If he regresses to a point where he can't play top four minutes, this team is in deep trouble.