Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

[McTonyBrar]

Karlsson isn't getting scratched even the deal is 95% finalized. EK also doesn't need to be traded right now and SJ can wait til the draft to make the change.

The main reason why they would trade him now instead of offseason would be to tank for Bedard

Yeah with his value low. How smart

I thought that was Stauffer, salivating while describing his beloved "Mediteranean chicken pizza."

I thought he salivated when he talked about Lafferty

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah but if you are that good, you should be pushing yourself up the lineup to play with those more talented forwards. Like I don't think Glenn Anderson somehow scored less here because the Oilers had several forwards ahead of him.

How can you push yourself up the lineup when the line above you is the 2nd best line in the league and the coach doesn't want to shake things up because you're winning? Anderson is a horrible comparable. He was the best RW on the team, and received top line time and top line powerplay time as a result.

The NHL works differently than the WHL too. Just because Schaeffer is on the 2nd line in Seattle doesn't mean the guys above him all have more upside. WHL teams tend to play older guys more when they are better players. Schaeffer is 18. Two of the guys above him on his team are 20 year olds who scored 89 and 94 points last year, he was never going to get ice time over those older guys this year.

I’m not saying he is bad but you are declaring him some great super rare player when he isn’t. He is a big guy putting up subpar numbers outside a hot streak. He is a bottom 6 style prospect. It isn’t a bad thing but he isn’t this super rare guy you are implying. His shot is good definitely not elite.

You are saying he's bad if you are already relegating him to the bottom six. He's nearly a ppg, his numbers aren't sub-par.

I thought he salivated when he talked about Lafferty

That isn't saliva...

 

[BlackDogg]

Kenny just headed up to the cabin for the long weekend. Will chat with us next week...

 

[CycloneSweep]

How can you push yourself up the lineup when the line above you is the 2nd best line in the league and the coach doesn't want to shake things up because you're winning? Anderson is a horrible comparable. He was the best RW on the team, and received top line time and top line powerplay time as a result.

The NHL works differently than the WHL too. Just because Schaeffer is on the 2nd line in Seattle doesn't mean the guys above him all have more upside. WHL teams tend to play older guys more when they are better players. Schaeffer is 18. Two of the guys above him on his team are 20 year olds who scored 89 and 94 points last year, he was never going to get ice time over those older guys this year.

Schaefer is 19 and has been all season. The one 20 guy is only a few months older than Schaefer too

 

[Macblender]

How can you push yourself up the lineup when the line above you is the 2nd best line in the league and the coach doesn't want to shake things up because you're winning? Anderson is a horrible comparable. He was the best RW on the team, and received top line time and top line powerplay time as a result.

The NHL works differently than the WHL too. Just because Schaeffer is on the 2nd line in Seattle doesn't mean the guys above him all have more upside. WHL teams tend to play older guys more when they are better players. Schaeffer is 18. Two of the guys above him on his team are 20 year olds who scored 89 and 94 points last year, he was never going to get ice time over those older guys this year.


You are saying he's bad if you are already relegating him to the bottom six. He's nearly a ppg, his numbers aren't sub-par.


That isn't saliva...

For a first round pick in his D+1 season his numbers are not great at all. For the supposed quality of prospect with his size he should be doing better by a decent margin ImO.

 

[LevelingSolo]

If they end up with Edmundson after all this

I don't know

I just don't know...

 

[ManofSteel55]

We've seen so many of his types that never pan out. He was the last first round pick in what in my opinion will go down as the worst draft in history.

We've seen first overall picks not pan out. Nobody is claiming he's a sure bet. All I'm saying is that it is way too early to be writing off a guy as having a bottom six ceiling only based on his WHL stat line.

 

[CupofOil]

Haha, Stauffer duped everybody and got the collective juices of HFOil flowing. Wouldn't be the first time he did that.

In fairness, he did say that it "could" be an interesting day nothing definitive but he definitely knows how to sell viewership and get people talking, I'll give him that much.

 

[ManofSteel55]

For a first round pick in his D+1 season his numbers are not great at all. For the supposed quality of prospect with his size he should be doing better by a decent margin ImO.

And again, this is why doing more research than just reading the stat line is important. Yes, we all would have loved if he was going to put up 100 points this year, but he's below older guys on the depth chart on his team, which is huge in the WHL.

 

[Stoneman89]

It’s all a game anyways. They pretend now isn’t the best time in hopes of a better offer.


This is how it always happens.

Then people should take a pill and relax.

 

[Porkleaker]

insiders rn

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I’m not saying he is bad but you are declaring him some great super rare player when he isn’t. He is a big guy putting up subpar numbers outside a hot streak. He is a bottom 6 style prospect. It isn’t a bad thing but he isn’t this super rare guy you are implying. His shot is good definitely not elite.

I'm not declaring anything. There's no certainty Shaefer will be an NHL player. He is a low floor player due to size, shot and good skating ability with potential to develop into a top six player with years of development ahead. It's an absence of player type in the Oilers system and they had to pay big money to import it to fill a big gap on the NHL roster. Share with me the other Oiler prospects that have this size and skill set.

He was full arrows up last season which worked him into a late first round pick. Well worth it based on this team's lack of it and paying big money to import it. The probability of any late first round pick making and sustaining NHL career is lower than one might expect. If Shaefer tops out as a heavy, engaged third line wing that can add decent support scoring that's a win for me. However if he can continue to develop and become more that is the hope for when projecting players.

Reasonable expectations that will play out over years. Looking at counting numbers on a stacked junior team without context is a sure way to come to an incomplete, quite possible wrong conclusion. Not how development works.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Schaefer is 19 and has been all season. The one 20 guy is only a few months older than Schaefer too

Yes, Schaeffer is 19, my bad. I'm talking about the guys who are over a year older than him too (Crnkovic, 21, not 20), Davidson (20, July 02 b-day vs Schaeffers' Sept 03). I wasn't talking about Ciona, who is the one who is only 8 months older when I was referring to the older players who produced top line numbers last year as well.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

We've seen so many of his types that never pan out. He was the last first round pick in what in my opinion will go down as the worst draft in history.

We see a lot of player types never pan out picked outside of the top 10 of every draft. In a perceived weak draft, If as you say this was a historic bad NHL draft, I'd say a final first round pick on a guy with low NHL floor with size, shot, and truculence sounds like a solid safe play.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Came for rumours and trade proposals, instead I found the Reid Schaefer prospect thread.

 

[gordonhught]

If they end up with Edmundson after all this

I don't know

I just don't know...

Edmundson wont play ahead of Nurse, Kulak, or Broberg the way things are going. A third rounder is a suitable return for Edmundson.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

For a first round pick in his D+1 season his numbers are not great at all. For the supposed quality of prospect with his size he should be doing better by a decent margin ImO.

His development is much more than production numbers. Shaefer competing for and making a stacked U20 national team is significant. He's in a great competitive environment where he doesn't have to shoot the lights out with a team that's exceptionally deep. This context is important. How he plays in the playoffs will be another measurement.

He improved exponentially in his draft eligible season from a B/C prospect onto the scout's A list. It's reasonable for that development growth to level off and within context of an elite team that stocked cup last month with high pedigree players it will be effected. Need a longer-term view and context before making any definitive statements on a couple month sample size. Tons of variables in play and I venture to guess none of us have actually watched his team live or with extended viewings.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Came for rumours and trade proposals, instead I found the Reid Schaefer prospect thread.

Fixed.

Reid Shaefer for Erik Karlsson.

Agreed, this has moved off-topic. Teams calling and asking about Shaefer's availability isn't a shock. Just good due diligence in silly season.

Now back to the Puljujarvi waiver wire stuff that matters. haha

 

[Jumptheshark]

So we’ve become a much smaller easier team to play against today….huge moves.

hey it has been a interesting day

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Came for rumours and trade proposals, instead I found the Reid Schaefer prospect thread.

There are no rumours. Only rumours that there might be rumours.

 

[McDNicks17]

Rishaug just said salary wise this Holloway Vinny send down doesn’t make sense and that there’s something missing here that we don’t know

We’ll, he’s wrong.

Adding Yamo and removing those two gives the team ~$500k in space.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Bob Stauffer today:

 

[Oilhawks]

Bob Stauffer today:

 

[Slats432]

We’ll, he’s wrong.

Adding Yamo and removing those two gives the team ~$500k in space.

He isn't wrong. It could be that a team interested in JP wants to see him play, or it could be Holland doesn't want to lost JP for free and he thinks he will. Something that we don't know.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Stauffer said it might be a big day, so he technically isn’t wrong