Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

Will it be an interesting (Fri)day in Oil Country?

  • Sources say it could be

    Votes: 21 15.7%
  • Sources say nothing imminent

    Votes: 19 14.2%
  • Sources say tarot cards are my sources

    Votes: 31 23.1%
  • Sources say "ask again later".

    Votes: 63 47.0%

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Burnt Biscuits

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I noticed how Holland went from I'm not giving away Pulju for a 3rd rd pick to I'm not giving away Pulju for free.

I feel like there is a sunk cost fallacy at play here. I say let the Bison King roam free, the cap space of him being claimed on waivers is more valuable.

It sucks it ended up this way, it really does, but time to move on.

I'm not going to throw a temper tantrum like some about Desharnais being off the main squad for a game, but this present 20 man roster experiment better be short lived.
 
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dustrock

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It was weird to get excited yesterday about a trade deadline for the first time since 2006.

Day after feels like HFB and the MSM all got carried away by the possibility of an exciting midseason trade happening.
 

Captain Controversy

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We have 4 guys on pace for 90+ points. Kane is back. Yamamoto is back. McLeod is scoring. Why do we need Kane again?







I'm jesting a bit here but also it's very true. If we don't need Meier, who is great at 5v5 and physical, we definitely don't need P Kane, who is injured and potentially only a PP specialist for a team that acquires him due to that.


To punish teams with 8 goals a game.
 

Stoneman89

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There's more action in my shorts than in the Oilers front office.
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Behind Enemy Lines

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"Right now, I see a bottom-six forward with some upside who can play physically and add an element to special teams."

He was definitely a safe pick but also got hot for 40 games and rose up 50 spots in the draft because if it(he was ranked in the 80's mid season)
Had a great start to the season and has went ice cold since. Definitely not a prospect that I would hold up a deal for
Appreciate the link. I don't put a lot of stock into tertiary draft listings or opinions. They usually create a lot of noise and I have no idea of the quality of eyes and insight putting them out. I tend to narrowcast to McKenzie's Draft List which is an aggregation of NHL scouts paid opinions; Button who's a second generation guy who's been paid to do the job; and rights holder networks who pool a lot of resources into their lists.

Shaefer was 37th in final ranking - within the range reasonable expected for consideration where he was picked: Bob McKenzie's Final 2022 Draft Ranking - TSN.ca

Button who's been paid as an NHL amateur scout, team scouting director, and GM mocked Shaefer at 20. This article is a good read about the exponential jump he made from C rating to A: Schaefer ‘mauled’ by NHL interviews after strong season in Seattle - TSN.ca

He didn't make the Sportnet rights holder first round list. But here's what the network said when he was picked: Oilers select Reid Schaefer 32nd overall in 2022 NHL Draft

Checking in at six-foot-three, 214 pounds, Schaefer gives the Oilers a forward who can hold his own offensively, and throw his weight around, too.

“That big body, power forward, type of player is really difficult to find," Sportsnet's Sam Cosentino said of Schaefer during Thursday's broadcast of the 2022 NHL Draft. "They’re often really expensive on the trade market, and they’re really difficult to find. So why not draft and develop that player. With Schaefer, they’re well on their way.”

Sportsnet's Jason Bukala — formerly the director of amateur scouting for the NHL's Florida Panthers — had a specific comparable in mind for the young winger.

“My NHL comparable? Nick Paul," he said on Thursday's Draft broadcast. "Nick Paul, coming out of the Ontario Hockey League had some deficiencies in his mechanics, his stride. And I think today, after seeing what he did in the playoffs … I think there’s a lot teams that would love to have him.

"This kid here is ahead of the curve mechanics-wise. He’s close to Nick at the same age. He’s got the same kind of finish."

Personally, I'd take a Nick Paul player any day of the week for this organization and with its current prospect pipeline which has a lot of small skill percolating and depth defensemen types.

Low NHL floor for the player with all good attributes to maybe one day support the elite skill that drives line 1 and 2.

Someone complained about missing out on the Puljujarvi waiver wire drama and this has veered off of the Proposal/Rumour thread, happy to chat further via direct message or engage in the Prospects thread if you like. Respect your opinion which is different than mine!
 

alphahelix

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Josh Manson is great though and is the guy we should have gotten last deadline instead if Kulak.

We need what he brings. Im not saying it wouldnt be huge to add Makar or Karlsson, but every team needs a PP QB type (we have barrie bouchard nurse) AND a physical shutdown pk/es type like Manson. Shouldnt be either or, should be both.

See: Colorado Avalanche

Almost everyone we have has less dimensions and high end ability to their game than these 2 guys.
 

Jet Walters

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The Oilers should be pushing Puljujarvi and whatever picks it takes for both Acciari and Barbashev at 50%. That’s a savings of around 1.3 million and we gain a roster spot.
 

gordonhught

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I noticed how Holland went from I'm not giving away Pulju for a 3rd rd pick to I'm not giving away Pulju for free.

I feel like there is a sunk cost fallacy at play here. I say let the Bison King roam free, the cap space of him being claimed on waivers is more valuable.

It sucks it ended up this way, it really does, but time to move on.

I'm not going to throw a temper tantrum like some about Desharnais being off the main squad for a game, but this present 20 man roster experiment better be short lived.
I think GMKH is holding out for a warm body for JP. He needs to replace him with a serviceable 3/4 liner. Maybe close to league minimum.

Josh Manson is great though and is the guy we should have gotten last deadline instead if Kulak.

We need what he brings. Im not saying it wouldnt be huge to add Makar or Karlsson, but every team needs a PP QB type (we have barrie bouchard nurse) AND a physical shutdown pk/es type like Manson. Shouldnt be either or, should be both.

See: Colorado Avalanche

Almost everyone we have has less dimensions and high end ability to their game than these 2 guys.
Should have kept Larsson. That would solve a lot of current issues.
 

belair

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Apr 9, 2010
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found this series of tweets interesting for all those saying we don't 'want' karlsson as he's more PMD than shut-down D


"Darn, we don't have a Connor McDavid."

"Darn, we don't have a Sidney Crosby."

"Darn, we don't have a Marty Brodeur..."

I can't stand that thought process. There isn't one specific way for a team to win a championship. Cale Makar may have made zero difference if Nazem Kadri hadn't run Ville Husso in the Blues series. Pretty good chance they would've rolled us without Makar as well. They have Makar this year and they're at risk of missing the playoffs completely.
 

Behind Enemy Lines

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found this series of tweets interesting for all those saying we don't 'want' karlsson as he's more PMD than shut-down D


I don't find those tweets compelling at all. The Avalanche had an elite, skilled puck moving d-corp two years ago and got steamrolled by Vegas with their heavy, fast forecheck. Under a smart GM, the Avalanche pivoted to balance out their incredible skill d-corp with a heavy style complement in Manson and were fortunate to have Eric Johnson healthy for a full playoff run.

Tampa Bay too is fortunate to have elite skill defenders. But look at it and you'll see it is balanced well with hard, big veteran defense men.

The current Oilers defense corp is far away from these balanced elite level d-corp. They have neither the super elite #1 and until Desharnais' arrival they haven't had a hard, physical defender which is a staple within all deep playoff teams. Frankly, as I've blathered on forever, the Oilers probably need both a 1RD and 2LD to be anywhere near the deep, diverse defense corps that define Colorado and Tampa Bay.
 

bestmyfeeling

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The reason so many of us are frustrated is because this isn't 'interesting,' it's dead ass obvious.

The only people who don't seem to get it work for the Edmonton Oilers.
I mean, it's not just the team, plenty of other posters who think we shouldn't add karlsson
 

McSuper

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Jun 16, 2012
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He's not a dime a dozen prospect. Nit many guys have his combination of size and skill. Sure his numbers haven't blown up like we had hoped, but if he was that disappointing I don't think we would be getting calls about him.
Link ? I haven't heard of 1 team calling about him. I seen that the Oilers made an offer for Karlsson and apparently he was apart of that package. It didn't say the Shark asked for him.
 

Broberg Speed

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Josh Manson is great though and is the guy we should have gotten last deadline instead if Kulak.

We need what he brings. Im not saying it wouldnt be huge to add Makar or Karlsson, but every team needs a PP QB type (we have barrie bouchard nurse) AND a physical shutdown pk/es type like Manson. Shouldnt be either or, should be both.

See: Colorado Avalanche

Almost everyone we have has less dimensions and high end ability to their game than these 2 guys.
I'm starting to believe only Gary's chosen teams are permitted to trade for the good players in this league. And they get them at low low prices.

Golden Knights need a #1D, no problem... a #1C, you got it.

Rangers want star players for next to nothing... whoop there it is.

Oilers need someone good to move from pretender to contender... womp womp.

Who do the Avalanche want. They'll get whomever they want.

Tampa Bay, you're up next and they'll re-sign so cheaply heads will spin. Maybe we could trade them Draisaitl. Why the F not?
 
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