Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

[McWeber]

One of my major concerns with the Karlsson situation is that the Sharks decide to wait til the summer to trade him. Stauffer and Friedman laid out why this could be a summer deal based on the financials. This might sour me on acquiring him altogether. At that point we are left with blowing assets to upgrade in other ways and missing potentially the peak of Karlssons career for an important playoff run only to acquire him a few months later anyways. If Eugene Melnyk (rip) owned the Sharks there is no way we could buy retention with assets.

 

[belair]

I don't find those tweets compelling at all. The Avalanche had an elite, skilled puck moving d-corp two years ago and got steamrolled by Vegas with their heavy, fast forecheck. Under a smart GM, the Avalanche pivoted to balance out their incredible skill d-corp with a heavy style complement in Manson and were fortunate to have Eric Johnson healthy for a full playoff run.

Tampa Bay too is fortunate to have elite skill defenders. But look at it and you'll see it is balanced well with hard, big veteran defense men.

The current Oilers defense corp is far away from these balanced elite level d-corp. They have neither the super elite #1 and until Desharnais' arrival they haven't had a hard, physical defender which is a staple within all deep playoff teams. Frankly, as I've blathered on forever, the Oilers probably need both a 1RD and 2LD to be anywhere near the deep, diverse defense corps that define Colorado and Tampa Bay.

The Avs had Makar and they had three legitimate lines that they could roll up front. They had a much deeper roster than they have this season. And that's what what that logic completely dismisses. It's an absolutely binary thought process.

In relation to Edmonton, there's nothing wrong with targeting Karlsson. He's an absolutely electric offensive player, but the trade that acquires him can't come at the expense of your team's immediate depth. It's hard to see how this team can acquire this player in season and still manage to improve their complete roster.

 

[McSuper]

Janmark has to come out of the lineup IMO. We can't bring Desharnais back up with both Kailer and Puljujarvi here I don't think (it pushes us just over the cap).

Someone else has to come out.

Janmark is the obvious choice then, and you go 11F/7D until the deadline.

Keeping Desharnais out when you have a team that struggles with net front defence and PK this badly is insanity.



Yeah but if you are that good, you should be pushing yourself up the lineup to play with those more talented forwards. Like I don't think Glenn Anderson somehow scored less here because the Oilers had several forwards ahead of him.

I guess RNH sucks as he doesn't push him way about Draisaitl or McDavid as a first line C. I get your meaning but such a statement doesn't fit all players.

 

[McSuper]

If they end up with Edmundson after all this

I don't know

I just don't know...

No way Holland is paying a 1st for Edmundson. We may end up with him for a 2nd if Montreal drops their price.

 

[Jet Walters]

No way Holland is paying a 1st for Edmundson. We may end up with him for a 2nd if Montreal drops their price.

I can’t see it with the extra year. Not with Broberg/Nurse/Kulak signed already.

 

[s7ark]

I wonder if Grier is pondering whether more teams might be interested this summer after Karlsson's season, whereas it's likely Oilers or nada right now.

Good question. Definitely could be.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Link ? I haven't heard of 1 team calling about him. I seen that the Oilers made an offer for Karlsson and apparently he was apart of that package. It didn't say the Shark asked for him.

Link? I haven't heard of the Oilers offering Schaeffer in a package for Karlsson. All I've seen was the Tweet that was posted in this page (probably 20 pages back by now) stating that teams are calling on Schaeffer.

Chill man.

EDIT - Post #648. Stauffer says, according to Oilers Alert on Twitter. So it might be BS, but it's been reported.

I don't find those tweets compelling at all. The Avalanche had an elite, skilled puck moving d-corp two years ago and got steamrolled by Vegas with their heavy, fast forecheck. Under a smart GM, the Avalanche pivoted to balance out their incredible skill d-corp with a heavy style complement in Manson and were fortunate to have Eric Johnson healthy for a full playoff run.

Tampa Bay too is fortunate to have elite skill defenders. But look at it and you'll see it is balanced well with hard, big veteran defense men.

The current Oilers defense corp is far away from these balanced elite level d-corp. They have neither the super elite #1 and until Desharnais' arrival they haven't had a hard, physical defender which is a staple within all deep playoff teams. Frankly, as I've blathered on forever, the Oilers probably need both a 1RD and 2LD to be anywhere near the deep, diverse defense corps that define Colorado and Tampa Bay.

The Avalanche added their depth physical shutdown defenseman after they had their smooth skating, elite puch moving offensive defenseman.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

"Darn, we don't have a Connor McDavid."

"Darn, we don't have a Sidney Crosby."

"Darn, we don't have a Marty Brodeur..."

I can't stand that thought process. There isn't one specific way for a team to win a championship. Cale Makar may have made zero difference if Nazem Kadri hadn't run Ville Husso in the Blues series. Pretty good chance they would've rolled us without Makar as well. They have Makar this year and they're at risk of missing the playoffs completely.

I agree with the bolded, but Makar was otherworldly good last playoffs, so much of the success they had against us was entirely on his back, that was quite possibly the best playoff performance of any player in the past decade.

I also think people counting Colorado out are crazy I still see the structure there and their best players are still very very good. Stanley Cup hangover is a thing, teams giving the reigning champs their best every night is a thing, and the amount of critical injuries they've had this season is pretty crazy.

IMO the 3 scary teams out west this season are DAL, COL, and us.

For Colorado to repeat I think it could be as simple as adding Dylan Larkin at the deadline and getting healthy.

 

[McSuper]

Link? I haven't heard of the Oilers offering Schaeffer in a package for Karlsson. All I've seen was the Tweet that was posted in this page (probably 20 pages back by now) stating that teams are calling on Schaeffer.

Chill man.

EDIT - Post #648. Stauffer says, according to Oilers Alert on Twitter. So it might be BS, but it's been reported.


The Avalanche added their depth physical shutdown defenseman after they had their smooth skating, elite puch moving offensive defenseman.

I am way too chilled with all this freezing rain.

Thanks for the reference. Like to know what teams are call to see what D they may have.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

The Avs had Makar and they had three legitimate lines that they could roll up front. They had a much deeper roster than they have this season. And that's what what that logic completely dismisses. It's an absolutely binary thought process.

In relation to Edmonton, there's nothing wrong with targeting Karlsson. He's an absolutely electric offensive player, but the trade that acquires him can't come at the expense of your team's immediate depth. It's hard to see how this team can acquire this player in season and still manage to improve their complete roster.

I agree with most points. But hard reality if IF Karlsson is a viable options this trade deadline, Holland has to carve out from current roster to make the money work. That's like any combination of Barrie, Puljujarvi (who I think gets dealt in an independent deal), Yamamoto, and Foegele.

Arguably only Barrie has delivered value for contract this year. But upside is you acquire a super elite who does everything and more what Barrie does including drive EV production while bumping down Ceci, Bouchard (if not a trade requirement). They can skin fat from the bottom six and the 7-11 deployment is a strategy that mitigates poor forward depth.

Avalanche are vulnerable without a lot of high end talent hurt throughout this year. I don't count them out if they can get everyone healthy down the stretch and their management have been able to find important complementing pieces to their elite skill.

 

[dustrock]

Believe the Schaefer talk was because one binsider said he was being scouted by other teams

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Link? I haven't heard of the Oilers offering Schaeffer in a package for Karlsson. All I've seen was the Tweet that was posted in this page (probably 20 pages back by now) stating that teams are calling on Schaeffer.

Chill man.

EDIT - Post #648. Stauffer says, according to Oilers Alert on Twitter. So it might be BS, but it's been reported.


The Avalanche added their depth physical shutdown defenseman after they had their smooth skating, elite puch moving offensive defenseman.

Yep, agree if I didn't make it clear but is implied. How amazing it is to have the super elite skill piece(s) and then to complement it with heavy, veteran support. Same with Tampa who built around super elite Hedman, stole another one from Montreal, and built up a deep, multi-faceted elite defense corp.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I am way too chilled with all this freezing rain.

Thanks for the reference. Like to know what teams are call to see what D they may have.

I'd like to know as well.

Crosses fingers for St. Louis. Ha ha.

Yep, agree if I didn't make it clear but is implied. How amazing it is to have the super elite skill piece(s) and then to complement it with heavy, veteran support. Same with Tampa who built around super elite Hedman, stole another one from Montreal, and built up a deep, multi-faceted elite defense corp.

I think the answer is to make the move for Karlsson if it doesn't cost too much, and build around a core of Karlsson, Nurse and Broberg. Vinnie as well if he is as legit as he looks. And obviously Bouchard if we don't have to trade him in the EK deal. It really just means we need to upgrade from Ceci to a Manson type.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

"Darn, we don't have a Connor McDavid."

"Darn, we don't have a Sidney Crosby."

"Darn, we don't have a Marty Brodeur..."

I can't stand that thought process. There isn't one specific way for a team to win a championship. Cale Makar may have made zero difference if Nazem Kadri hadn't run Ville Husso in the Blues series. Pretty good chance they would've rolled us without Makar as well. They have Makar this year and they're at risk of missing the playoffs completely.

Yea thats what happens when you lose three top six forwards lol. Notice how you completely left that out.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I'd like to know as well.

Crosses fingers for St. Louis. Ha ha.


I think the answer is to make the move for Karlsson if it doesn't cost too much, and build around a core of Karlsson, Nurse and Broberg. Vinnie as well if he is as legit as he looks. And obviously Bouchard if we don't have to trade him in the EK deal. It really just means we need to upgrade from Ceci to a Manson type.

I'm onboard with upgrading the Oilers defense top down and have been forever including that 1RD is highest priority. Fully agree on targeting Karlsson and I would do a deep dive on Parayko's availability who also might be within a unique opportunity window as old St. Louis looks to get younger and cheaper.

Been a believe in Broberg from draft day. They need an age 24-25 Broberg today to fully have a quality middle pair d-man. But a managed third pair role might be do-able. There's just no legitimate Cup contender I can think of that has been successful rolling out 3 green bananas young d-men on their way to winning a Cup.

Would this team reshape further moving away from Ceci? Interesting thought. His salary is reasonable so again it's money out, money in. Still a lot of work to be done for this team including maybe a veteran 3C to lock down critical own zone face-offs in key situational play.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

One of my major concerns with the Karlsson situation is that the Sharks decide to wait til the summer to trade him. Stauffer and Friedman laid out why this could be a summer deal based on the financials. This might sour me on acquiring him altogether. At that point we are left with blowing assets to upgrade in other ways and missing potentially the peak of Karlssons career for an important playoff run only to acquire him a few months later anyways. If Eugene Melnyk (rip) owned the Sharks there is no way we could buy retention with assets.

Wasn't just Stauffer and Friedman. Brad Holland, director of pro scouting, also said yesterday on Oilers Now that its an offseason deal

 

[CycloneSweep]

Wasn't just Stauffer and Friedman. Brad Holland, director of pro scouting, also said yesterday on Oilers Now that its an offseason deal

No he said big moves are often off-season deals

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

No he said big moves are often off-season deals

He just happened to say it when Stauffer specifically asked him about Karlsson

 

[Broberg Speed]

Shucks, maybe we'll be good next year, fellas.

 

[Wreckus]

Shucks, maybe we'll be good next year, fellas.

NHL won't let us be good next year.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I’m losing hope. At this point, I think we get Karlsson in the Summer. If we get Patrick Kane/Tyler Bertuzzi and a good puck moving Dman, I’ll be happy.

 

[brentashton]

Is it tomorrow yet?

Yeah because the group was more focused on their stupid Superbowl viewing party than showing up to play that day. Vinny was like one of the few Oilers that actually gave a f*** about playing that day.

The shot clock being like 9-0 Montreal to start the game tells you everything you need to know.

Sure.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I’m losing hope. At this point, I think we get Karlsson in the Summer. If we get Patrick Kane/Tyler Bertuzzi and a good puck moving Dman, I’ll be happy.

Prepare for disappointment. The way Oilers management are talking we're probably looking at a Lafferty and bottom-pairing dman type deadline. The expectations the local and national media have built up is out of control

 

[Broberg Speed]

NHL won't let us be good next year.

I guess we'll tune in and watch to find out. But you're likely correct.

I’m losing hope. At this point, I think we get Karlsson in the Summer. If we get Patrick Kane/Tyler Bertuzzi and a good puck moving Dman, I’ll be happy.

let's go

 

[Broberg Speed]

Prepare for disappointment. The way Oilers management are talking we're probably looking at a Lafferty and bottom-pairing dman type deadline. The expectations the local and national media have built up is out of control

that damn management is always fudge