Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

Will it be an interesting (Fri)day in Oil Country?

  • Sources say it could be

    Votes: 21 15.7%
  • Sources say nothing imminent

    Votes: 19 14.2%
  • Sources say tarot cards are my sources

    Votes: 31 23.1%
  • Sources say "ask again later".

    Votes: 63 47.0%

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ManofSteel55

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Oh I'm not including Bob. Talking guys like rishaug, Gregor and Spector who are just completely out to lunch on everything now. Stauffer for sure still gets the good info but he is paid to tease and try to keep people tuning in, and to try to work favorable narratives for the team. Maybe he has the cuffs on more with the new management too, but he is still very connected I think. Those others guys though, just lost in the dark without the skills to really get anything aside from their own thoughts.
Spector is a dirty taint. I'm certain it was him on The Fan in Calgary the other day laughing at Oiler fans thinking we have a shot at Karlsson. He runs down the players. He runs down the fans. That are hole needs to be banished from the Oilers.
 

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That is a pretty obvious statement. Team looking to win now call them and try to weasel out their top prospects to sell a band-aid fix to current NHL roster need. Shaefer is a rare player type as a power forward with high end shot and solid finishing ability. Hard to find and this NHL draft for all of its hype for depth is largely smaller, skill forward types.

Absolutely Shaefer would be a top call to gage Edmonton's desperation or tunnel vision to win now versus manage both priorities as Holland continues to allude to, improve now while keeping shelves stocked for the future. Shaefer is a rare asset type.
 

oobga

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Gregor talks to a lot of guys on a regular basis. Servalli is like his best friend and he has some sort of insider on his show just about daily from other cities.

Spec I don't know that he listens to anything he's told. Rishaug never was overly involved in rumors other than what he comes across talking to people at the rink. His job is more a reporter on the Oilers play not rumors, TSN has their other guys for that
Rishaug had a run of breaking every story with MacT back in the day. He was the man for a while. For sure, he has just fallen back to reporter that doesn't really add anything aside from summary of news you can get anywhere. Gregor, yeah, just a facilitator now of getting other people to talk. Any time Gregor tries to break news himself he gets embarrassed. Spec is now just a guy that vents his biases and tries to troll fans for engagement
 

Soundwave

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Spector is a dirty taint. I'm certain it was him on The Fan in Calgary the other day laughing at Oiler fans thinking we have a shot at Karlsson. He runs down the players. He runs down the fans. That are hole needs to be banished from the Oilers.

Spector is dumb anyway, last year he said the Oilers were definitely not firing Tippett (wrong) and definitely not signing Kane (wrong). He also said Adam Larsson re-signing was a lock (wrong). It's clear he's not connected with the team whatsoever.
 

joestevens29

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That is a pretty obvious statement. Team looking to win now call them and try to weasel out their top prospects to sell a band-aid fix to current NHL roster need. Shaefer is a rare player type as a power forward with high end shot and solid finishing ability. Hard to find and this NHL draft for all of its hype for depth is largely smaller, skill forward types.

Absolutely Shaefer would be a top call to gage Edmonton's desperation or tunnel vision to win now versus manage both priorities as Holland continues to allude to, improve now while keeping shelves stocked for the future. Shaefer is a rare asset type.
I guess what would be more interesting is what other guys are being asked about and how often each guy is being asked about.
 

alphahelix

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Maybe he will. And maybe we're seeing the best he has right now

Unless he suffers a career altering injury, that would make him an extremely rare edge case among NHL d men who were drafted in the 1st round.

How much money would you like to wager that a 23 yo D man will never put up a better season as he approaches prime age?? Id be willing to give odds.
 

joestevens29

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Spector is dumb anyway, last year he said the Oilers were definitely not firing Tippett (wrong) and definitely not signing Kane (wrong). He also said Adam Larsson re-signing was a lock (wrong). It's clear he's not connected with the team whatsoever.
I think what's scary is he is the chair for the Edmonton PHWA chapter. You'd think the chair would actually be one of the better guys in the City with the most connections throughout the league.
 

LTIR

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Given that Karlsson is playing tonight and Chychrun is still being scratched do we think that hes a more realistic get? His cap is easier to absorb. Or is it Karlsson or bust?
Karlsson isn't getting scratched even the deal is 95% finalized. EK also doesn't need to be traded right now and SJ can wait til the draft to make the change.

The main reason why they would trade him now instead of offseason would be to tank for Bedard
 

ManofSteel55

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Unless he suffers a career altering injury, that would make him an extremely rare edge case among NHL d men who were drafted in the 1st round.

How much money would you like to wager that a 23 yo D man will never put up a better season as he approaches prime age?? Id be willing to give odds.
What odds would you give Karlsson if being a top 5 defenseman in the league right now? What odds would you give Bouchard of being a top 5 defenseman right now?

Bouchard having a ton of raw skill doesn't guarantee he reaches his potential. Especially when he doesn't appear to be improving his fundamentals or his defensive play.
 

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That is a pretty obvious statement. Team looking to win now call them and try to weasel out their top prospects to sell a band-aid fix to current NHL roster need. Shaefer is a rare player type as a power forward with high end shot and solid finishing ability. Hard to find and this NHL draft for all of its hype for depth is largely smaller, skill forward types.

Absolutely Shaefer would be a top call to gage Edmonton's desperation or tunnel vision to win now versus manage both priorities as Holland continues to allude to, improve now while keeping shelves stocked for the future. Shaefer is a rare asset type.
Lol what? Schaefer is a dime a dozen prospect who projects to be a 3rd liner. He is under a PPG on a team with 5 guys above PPG. He’s being outplayed by a 5th round pick in the same draft.
 

joestevens29

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Karlsson isn't getting scratched even the deal is 95% finalized. EK also doesn't need to be traded right now and SJ can wait til the draft to make the change.

The main reason why they would trade him now instead of offseason would be to tank for Bedard
I think the main reason should be unlike 5 or 6 months ago you don't have to give up assets to trade him.

They've seemed to be committed to moving on from him, which they should given the state of the team. However, he gets hurt before the trade deadline who is giving assets for him come summer?
 
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ManofSteel55

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Lol what? Schaefer is a dime a dozen prospect who projects to be a 3rd liner. He is under a PPG on a team with 5 guys above PPG. He’s being outplayed by a 5th round pick in the same draft.
He's not a dime a dozen prospect. Nit many guys have his combination of size and skill. Sure his numbers haven't blown up like we had hoped, but if he was that disappointing I don't think we would be getting calls about him.
 

Behind Enemy Lines

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Spector is a dirty taint. I'm certain it was him on The Fan in Calgary the other day laughing at Oiler fans thinking we have a shot at Karlsson. He runs down the players. He runs down the fans. That are hole needs to be banished from the Oilers.
Spector's not 'with' the Oilers. He's a columnist for a national network paid to give his opinion on the Oilers from that objective perspective. It's the loud opinions that he gets paid to have not to be a sycophant for the hockey team. He's often wrong - Larsson re-signing; right on Puljujarvi - first media guy to say this relationship was heading to a split and debated endlessly the perceived value many Oiler fans hold about the player based on advanced stats that defy his actually production. Karlsson is rightly a long shot with retention level requirements that have never been seen in the NHL's 100+ year history. Doesn't mean it won't happen but he sees it as highly unlikely, rather pragmatic.

Take Spector for what it's work (very little) or stop reading/listening to him. Easy choice really. I actually don't disagree that he seems rather douchy but that's the gig he's paid to do.
 

LTIR

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I think the main reason should be unlike 5 or 6 months ago you don't have to give up assets to trade him.

They've seemed to be committed to moving on from him, which they should given the state of the team. However, he gets hurt before the trade deadline who is giving assets for him come summer?
But if he stays healthy and crosses the 100pt mark winning the Norris the number of teams that might be interested in his services could double.

GMs tend to have more cap space in the offseason and could consider him the missing piece for their club..
 

CycloneSweep

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He's not a dime a dozen prospect. Nit many guys have his combination of size and skill. Sure his numbers haven't blown up like we had hoped, but if he was that disappointing I don't think we would be getting calls about him.
Possibly. How much skill can he really have with numbers like that? Even at the draft he projected as a 3rd liner. He got overhyped here for a bit from a hot start. High floor low upside.
 
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Soundwave

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He's not a dime a dozen prospect. Nit many guys have his combination of size and skill. Sure his numbers haven't blown up like we had hoped, but if he was that disappointing I don't think we would be getting calls about him.

I'll be honest ... sub PPG in the WHL in the year after his draft is somewhat underwhelming for someone who's supposed to be an impact forward.
 

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Karlsson isn't getting scratched even the deal is 95% finalized. EK also doesn't need to be traded right now and SJ can wait til the draft to make the change.

The main reason why they would trade him now instead of offseason would be to tank for Bedard

If San Jose waits until the offseason the Oilers would lower their offer.
 

Stoneman89

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Just my opinion, but I think the reason things are taking so long for us to move on any trades (and probably other teams), is that they are interlocked with each other, kind of like dominos falling. If one scenario is to happen, then that triggers or spawns another trade. So there might be 2 or 3 that need to come together for it to all pan out. For all we know, one of those trades has already technically been made, and the paperwork just waiting for pen to paper, but it has to wait for another one or 2 to be finalized. And then of course, there are always some that just drop out of the sky seemingly at the last minute.
 

CycloneSweep

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If San Jose waits until the offseason the Oilers would lower their offer.
It’s all a game anyways. They pretend now isn’t the best time in hopes of a better offer.

Just my opinion, but I think the reason things are taking so long for us to move on any trades (and probably other teams), is that they are interlocked with each other, kind of like dominos falling. If one scenario is to happen, then that triggers or spawns another trade. So there might be 2 or 3 that need to come together for it to all pan out. For all we know, one of those trades has already technically been made, and the paperwork just waiting for pen to paper, but it has to wait for another one or 2 to be finalized. And then of course, there are always some that just drop out of the sky seemingly at the last minute.
This is how it always happens.
 
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Behind Enemy Lines

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Lol what? Schaefer is a dime a dozen prospect who projects to be a 3rd liner. He is under a PPG on a team with 5 guys above PPG. He’s being outplayed by a 5th round pick in the same draft.
Haha. Seattle is stacked and made massive trade deadline acquisitions including hedging on Arizona returning an elite prospect to fortify their elite forward group and run at winning the WHL's first Memorial Cup in forever. Judging his production only relative to his team is short sided in weighing out the future of this player. Laughable to make a future projection based on this situation. But again, you're the noted draft expert that declared Broberg a bust as an age 20 prospect so the rep is earned.
 
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