Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

[Jumptheshark]

Yep

Could be an interesting day


could be a purple day, pink or orange day or just a day where we sit on the couch and keep hitting F5

 

[LTIR]

If San Jose waits until the offseason the Oilers would lower their offer.

And teams that got eliminated may increase theirs..

It's the best time for us..

 

[Biltmore]

VD has been great. Honestly I think Edm is better with him in the line up. Not a smart move imo. In fact, a terrible decision.

Rumour Has It he's sick.​

 

[LTIR]

Lol what? Schaefer is a dime a dozen prospect who projects to be a 3rd liner. He is under a PPG on a team with 5 guys above PPG. He’s being outplayed by a 5th round pick in the same draft.

He may be a dime a dozen prospect but chance of him sticking as an NHLer is higher than flashy guys like Bourgault, Petrov, Savoie etc

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I guess what would be more interesting is what other guys are being asked about and how often each guy is being asked about.

This time of year it's always about trying to extract value in exchange for desperation. Hard to say how other teams view the Oiler prospect system. The Oilers are in their window and I think personally pretty clear there are roster gaps that need to be filled and no cap money to do so. Makes good sense to make the calls to Kenny and offer to help him with his needs ... especially within a white hot Canadian market with high expectations.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Haha. Seattle is stacked and made massive trade deadline acquisitions including hedging on Arizona returning an elite prospect to fortify their elite forward group and run at winning the WHL's first Memorial Cup in forever. Judging his production only relative to his team is short sided in weighing out the future of this player. Laughable to make a future projection based on this situation. But again, you're the noted draft expert that declared Broberg a bust as an age 20 prospect so the rep is earned.

The players they brought in to be stacked have played much less games and I didn’t even include in my count. And if he was such a rare amazing prospect as you suggest, he would have much better numbers and wouldn’t have gone 32oa. So there are 7 PPG level forwards on his club now and his production has vanished. He had a hot start and has been average since. That’s not negativity, that’s just reality.

Ahh so I was wrong on one player so I must be dumb cool cool. I guess you have never been wrong?

He may be a dime a dozen prospect but chance of him sticking as an NHLer is higher than flashy guys like Bourgault, Petrov, Savoie etc

Like I said, he is a high floor low ceiling. So a 3rd/4th liner

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'll be honest ... sub PPG in the WHL in the year after his draft is somewhat underwhelming for someone who's supposed to be an impact forward.

He's barely under PPG.

Do you watch his team or are you just reading stats. I don't watch them a ton, but I watch them enough to know that Seattle is a super deep team again this year.

The guys above him are
- a top 10 NHL draft pick
- the probable WHL rookie of year
- the 2nd best line in the WHL (IMO)
- trade deadline targets

So if the T-Birds don't want to break up their top line, all who are older and played above him last year, Schaeffer was destined to be 2nd line there. But it's basically the deepest team in the dub (them or Winnipeg), so that explains why he hasn't had the opportunities you wanted him to have this year. I just think writing him off as a depth guy is way premature. There's no reason to think he couldn't become a top six power forward.

 

[joestevens29]

But if he stays healthy and crosses the 100pt mark winning the Norris the number of teams that might be interested in his services could double.

GMs tend to have more cap space in the offseason and could consider him the missing piece for their club..

Oddly enough I don't know what that number would really be. 2? We seem to be the only team overly interested

There is also the NMC. Really curious how much Karlsson wants Edmonton now.

Really there are just a lot of question marks, but one thing is for sure waiting til the summer could be rather risky for Grier. He already jumped the gun on Burns. Getting burned again could delay an already lengthy rebuild

 

[LTIR]

Ahh so I was wrong on one player so I must be dumb cool cool. I guess you have never been wrong?


Like I said, he is a high floor low ceiling. So a 3rd/4th liner

Yup, 3rd/4th liner like Kostin, McLeod, Holloway is good enough for this team assuming McDavid and maybe even Draisaitl extend with us.

 

[Soundwave]

He's barely under PPG.

Do you watch his team or are you just reading stats. I don't watch them a ton, but I watch them enough to know that Seattle is a symuper deep team again this year.

The guys above him are
- a top 10 NHL draft pick
- the probable WHL rookie of year
- the 2nd best line in the WHL

So if the T-Birds don't want to break up their top line, all who are older and played above him last year, Schaeffer was destined to be 2nd line there. But it's basically the deepest team in the dub (them or Winnipeg), so that explains why he hasn't had the opportunities you wanted him to have this year.

I mean it's still not a great stat line ... shouldn't being on a loaded team help you score more btw?

 

[joestevens29]

Just my opinion, but I think the reason things are taking so long for us to move on any trades (and probably other teams), is that they are interlocked with each other, kind of like dominos falling. If one scenario is to happen, then that triggers or spawns another trade. So there might be 2 or 3 that need to come together for it to all pan out. For all we know, one of those trades has already technically been made, and the paperwork just waiting for pen to paper, but it has to wait for another one or 2 to be finalized. And then of course, there are always some that just drop out of the sky seemingly at the last minute.

I think the Karlsson one is more about squeezing as much as the Sharks can from us.

The rest of the potential deals could very well take off after us. However, Chychryn is just weird all together as Arizona is digging in on their price

 

[ManofSteel55]

I mean it's still not a great stat line ... shouldn't being on a loaded team help you score more btw?

It isn't an awful stat line either.

Being on a great team doesn't help your stat line if it means you are on the ice less, expected to anchor lines with lesser players, get less powerplay time, and so forth.

 

[LTIR]

Oddly enough I don't know what that number would really be. 2? We seem to be the only team overly interested

There is also the NMC. Really curious how much Karlsson wants Edmonton now.

Really there are just a lot of question marks, but one thing is for sure waiting til the summer could be rather risky for Grier. He already jumped the gun on Burns. Getting burned again could delay an already lengthy rebuild

It may be just us or one other right now but could jump to 10+ at the draft. No one really knows the numbers but just the fact that it is a lot easier to fit in a 10M non rental player in the offseason than at deadline.

 

[Soundwave]

Janmark has to come out of the lineup IMO. We can't bring Desharnais back up with both Kailer and Puljujarvi here I don't think (it pushes us just over the cap).

Someone else has to come out.

Janmark is the obvious choice then, and you go 11F/7D until the deadline.

Keeping Desharnais out when you have a team that struggles with net front defence and PK this badly is insanity.

It isn't an awful stat line either.

Being on a great team doesn't help your stat line if it means you are on the ice less, expected to anchor lines with lesser players, get less powerplay time, and so forth.

Yeah but if you are that good, you should be pushing yourself up the lineup to play with those more talented forwards. Like I don't think Glenn Anderson somehow scored less here because the Oilers had several forwards ahead of him.

 

[joestevens29]

Janmark has to come out of the lineup IMO. We can't bring Desharnais back up with both Kailer and Puljujarvi here I don't think (it pushes us just over the cap).

Someone else has to come out.

Janmark is the obvious choice then, and you go 11F/7D until the deadline.

Keeping Desharnais out when you have a team that struggles with net front defence and PK this badly is insanity.

Janmark is the top used forward on PK. He isn't being taken out.

 

[LTIR]

Janmark has to come out of the lineup IMO. We can't bring Desharnais back up with both Kailer and Puljujarvi here I don't think (it pushes us just over the cap).

Someone else has to come out.

Janmark is the obvious choice then, and you go 11F/7D until the deadline.

Keeping Desharnais out when you have a team that struggles with net front defence and PK this badly is insanity.



Yeah but if you are that good, you should be pushing yourself up the lineup to play with those more talented forwards. Like I don't think Glenn Anderson somehow scored less here because the Oilers had several forwards ahead of him.

Why aren't we just waiving Puljujarvi?
Something must be in the works because otherwise it doesn't make sense

 

[joestevens29]

Why aren't we just waiving Puljujarvi?
Something must be in the works because otherwise it doesn't make sense

Not making sense seems to make sense at this point

 

[xoczar99ox]

So we’ve become a much smaller easier team to play against today….huge moves.

 

[Blue Line Turnover]

He may be a dime a dozen prospect but chance of him sticking as an NHLer is higher than flashy guys like Bourgault, Petrov, Savoie etc

I guess it's too hard to say, but I could see XB being able to adapt (if his offence doesn't develop into "top six" calibre at the NHL level) with his willingness to go into corners and for his ability to work along the boards physically; coupled with his decent skating ability, I think he'll always have an NHL job.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

The players they brought in to be stacked have played much less games and I didn’t even include in my count. And if he was such a rare amazing prospect as you suggest, he would have much better numbers and wouldn’t have gone 32oa. So there are 7 PPG level forwards on his club now and his production has vanished. He had a hot start and has been average since. That’s not negativity, that’s just reality.

Ahh so I was wrong on one player so I must be dumb cool cool. I guess you have never been wrong?

Making a definitive assessment on a player within a deeply stacked team is a premature rush to judgement without actually watching the player. Shaefer's long-term development has a lot of measures including making a stacked U20 team; heavy two way game and contribution on a stacked junior team; impending playoff series and how he contributes to a run; ideally ultimately culminating in Memorial Cup tournament play against elite teams across the three junior leagues.

Making a definitive judgement without context is what got you in trouble with Broberg. There's a lot that goes into development of a player. This is a very good thing for Shaefer to be in a highly competitive team environment and being required to contribute in all facets to a winning team. This player type and projection is more than counting points. Having a physical, heavy power forward type is important for Edmonton which has had to pay a heavy financial price to import it with Hyman and Kane. Growing it within on a player with good runway to work on all facets that begin with an innate internal drive to play a heavy game; elite shot and good motor is a good starting point. Having him grind within an excellent competitive team so much better than putting up pinball, empty calorie production on a weak team.

 

[Homesick]

He's not a dime a dozen prospect. Nit many guys have his combination of size and skill. Sure his numbers haven't blown up like we had hoped, but if he was that disappointing I don't think we would be getting calls about him.

We've seen so many of his types that never pan out. He was the last first round pick in what in my opinion will go down as the worst draft in history.

 

[bellagiobob]

Why aren't we just waiving Puljujarvi?
Something must be in the works because otherwise it doesn't make sense

100%. Need to follow the breadcrumbs here. Jesse would be on waivers if there wasn't interest in him as part of a potential deal. We just need to be patient and hopefully Kenny is able to complete a deal that gives us an upgrade without getting bent over too badly.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Not making sense seems to make sense at this point

Makes sense to me.

 

[jukon]

If St Louis aren't happy with the mix in their top four. I would glad take Faulk or Parayko off their hands.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Making a definitive assessment on a player within a deeply stacked team is a premature rush to judgement without actually watching the player. Shaefer's long-term development has a lot of measures including making a stacked U20 team; heavy two way game and contribution on a stacked junior team; impending playoff series and how he contributes to a run; ideally ultimately culminating in Memorial Cup tournament play against elite teams across the three junior leagues.

Making a definitive judgement without context is what got you in trouble with Broberg. There's a lot that goes into development of a player. This is a very good thing for Shaefer to be in a highly competitive team environment and being required to contribute in all facets to a winning team. This player type and projection is more than counting points. Having a physical, heavy power forward type is important for Edmonton which has had to pay a heavy financial price to import it with Hyman and Kane. Growing it within on a player with good runway to work on all facets that begin with an innate internal drive to play a heavy game; elite shot and good motor is a good starting point. Having him grind within an excellent competitive team so much better than putting up pinball, empty calorie production on a weak team.

I’m not saying he is bad but you are declaring him some great super rare player when he isn’t. He is a big guy putting up subpar numbers outside a hot streak. He is a bottom 6 style prospect. It isn’t a bad thing but he isn’t this super rare guy you are implying. His shot is good definitely not elite.