Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

[Sanchez]

Friedman coming up on Oilers Now....not expecting anything.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Not as much IMO, because Broberg was on the team for several games before Desharnais ... the decline in GA only corresponds with Desharnais being here, not Broberg.

I think there's a lot of factors involved. Quality of competition. Deployment of 7-11 which has spread minutes better on a platoon d-corp. Broberg stabilizing his game is a real thing including coach's trust for support PK minutes which has improved. Desharnais has been a revelation with finally addressing a significant gap in terms of hard, physical defender who clears net-front, high danger ice, can cycle break and PK.

Lots of factors involved. But trying to minimize Broberg's stabilizing game and growth is off target.

 

[alphahelix]

I don't think anyone is wanting to take Bouchard out behind the barn and shoot him here. He looks good, but not perfect. I do think calling him a "guaranteed" top pair defenseman might be premature. Really, he could top out as a Barrie, or lower.

I disagree. He couldn't.

Bouch has certain assets that Barrie doesnt possess. He has enough size to hold his own as he matures defensively. In his first game last year he defended on 7 PKs while Barrie was sheltered. Literally from the moment he first slapped on the uniform he was more trusted defensively. He has a shot that Barrie simply does not possess. He hasn't been far off Barrie's production despite the fact that Barrie gets all the PP time on the top PP in the NHL.

By the time Bouch enters his prime and becomes more of a veteran defender, there'll be no comparison. We've seen the absolute best Barrie has to offer here and its been enough to say hes been a decent 2 way contributor at his peak. Bouchard will be more than that.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Nah the way he talks I picture him as the guy that gets smashed and then tells stories from 20 years ago about some player agent that no one knows.

or a fight from the 80s between two garbage players

 

[SwedishFire]

We have 4 guys on pace for 90+ points. Kane is back. Yamamoto is back. McLeod is scoring. Why do we need Meier again?

Yamamoto is hardly a plus or a gamechanger, Oilers has 5 top 6 ers, with Meier, Oilers could ice a fearsome top 6. And a good 3rd line. Fwds would be powerful.

Kane McD Hyman
McLeod Leon Meier
Kostin Nuge Janmark
Fogele Ryan Yammer

holloway in Bako until playoff

They do need to trade one RD for a better defensive player. Ceci seems to have lost his game for now, Barrie is everything Bouchard is, so one of them could be traded for a D upgrade. Or just use Desharnias, but he would be forced to be 1st pair. Thats not great for his path on becoming NHL regular.

 

[spot]

Friedman coming up on Oilers Now....not expecting anything.

Fried is not connected anymore and he’s getting hard to listen to.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I mean it's pretty clear cut actually.

2.6 GAA with Desharnais is a GAA comparable to a top 10 NHL defence.

The 3.4 GAA the Oilers have without Desharnais is closer to bottom 10 in the league.

Without any context I could see how you see that.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Fried is not connected anymore and he’s getting hard to listen to.

No he's still connected. It's just hard to listen when he's eating and talking


YUCK

 

[joestevens29]

Think you have to ask around the rest of the league, agents, other teams insiders. Oilers media guys used to have it easy just getting into from the source. Now they have to actually get creative and depend on relationships more. Also could lean on educated guesses and general knowledge of players and the league, but most Oilers media are just totally out to lunch and can only provide terrible takes based on their own biases.

You haven't listened to Stauffer and how he's best buddies with have the agents in the league?
FYI the laugh was for me as I love how often Stauffer makes it know about his connections.

Further I do think these guys are talking, but it's just that talk. Lots of teams have a lot in the air. Kane, Meier, Chychrun, Gavirkov, Boeser, Miller etc.. All sorts of guys out there with an assortment of teams looking at these guys.

I will say this be thankful there are the leaks there is. When Chia went cold turkey we ended up with Manning. Chicago insiders literally told gregor "man you guys should've asked about Manning we could've told you he wasn't an NHL player". But Chia only trusted himself and it burned us.

or a fight from the 80s between two garbage players

What the heck was that pub that had illegal betting and a lot of more popular guys would frequent? He brings that place up and I just can't remember it.

Now apparently he drinks at some establishment in the SW. Probably the same guys, just not popular anymore.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Karlsson destroys Parayko, if the assets to acquire are even remotely the same, you trade for Karlsson everytime.

You absolutely do not trade Bouchard for Parayko

If the packages are the same absolutely you go for Karlsson, but I think the price for him is significantly higher than what it would be for Parayko. Plus it’s much easier to fit his contract in without having to pay more assets to a third party for more retention on Karlsson. It’s a very different conversation but like I said a good plan B if Karlsson doesn’t work out.

 

[Soundwave]

Without any context I could see how you see that.

Well I also watch every game on top of that, so what other magical context is there?

Desharnais is clearly one of the better defensive players on the team, anyone who doesn't think so is frankly blind. Look at all the stupid plays our other D make on a nightly basis.

 

[oobga]

You haven't listened to Stauffer and how he's best buddies with have the agents in the league?
FYI the laugh was for me as I love how often Stauffer makes it know about his connections.

Further I do think these guys are talking, but it's just that talk. Lots of teams have a lot in the air. Kane, Meier, Chychrun, Gavirkov, Boeser, Miller etc.. All sorts of guys out there with an assortment of teams looking at these guys.

I will say this be thankful there are the leaks there is. When Chia went cold turkey we ended up with Manning. Chicago insiders literally told gregor "man you guys should've asked about Manning we could've told you he wasn't an NHL player". But Chia only trusted himself and it burned us.

Oh I'm not including Bob. Talking guys like rishaug, Gregor and Spector who are just completely out to lunch on everything now. Stauffer for sure still gets the good info but he is paid to tease and try to keep people tuning in, and to try to work favorable narratives for the team. Maybe he has the cuffs on more with the new management too, but he is still very connected I think. Those others guys though, just lost in the dark without the skills to really get anything aside from their own thoughts.

 

[joestevens29]

No he's still connected. It's just hard to listen when he's eating and talking


YUCK

The problem is they speak their opinion and what they'd do and then people are mad that it doesn't happen. They are just like us at times talking about what they think could make sense.

 

[Biltmore]

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[CycloneSweep]

I like Desharnais @Soundwave but his use has been light and very easy competition.
11% of his ice time against elites, 37% against middling competition and 52% against bottom guys. His numbers against elites have been the worst on the team this year outside of Niemo. Not saying he is bad, think he is very good but he isn’t our second best defender.
He has been incredibly sheltered.

 

[VainGretzky]

I mean it's pretty clear cut actually.

2.6 GAA with Desharnais is a GAA comparable to a top 10 NHL defence.

The 3.4 GAA the Oilers have without Desharnais is closer to bottom 10 in the league.

The team was focusing on defense the practices were mostly one on one coverage Yeah VD has been great in his limited playing time but if you think that is all because of Vd give your head a shake that streak is also when Campbell was playing his best of the season as well as steady Skinner

 

[McTonyBrar]

Friedman said on Karlsson, "We'll see where it goes. Oilers had people in Vegas last night watching him". He also said Oilers have legitimate interest in Patrick Kane and Tyler Bertuzzi. He said Oilers have lot's of balls in the air on big players

 

[joestevens29]

Oh I'm not including Bob. Talking guys like rishaug, Gregor and Spector who are just completely out to lunch on everything now. Stauffer for sure still gets the good info but he is paid to tease and try to keep people tuning in, and to try to work favorable narratives for the team. Maybe he has the cuffs on more with the new management too, but he is still very connected I think. Those others guys though, just lost in the dark.

Gregor talks to a lot of guys on a regular basis. Servalli is like his best friend and he has some sort of insider on his show just about daily from other cities.

Spec I don't know that he listens to anything he's told. Rishaug never was overly involved in rumors other than what he comes across talking to people at the rink. His job is more a reporter on the Oilers play not rumors, TSN has their other guys for that

 

[McAsuno]

Friedman said on Karlsson, "We'll see where it goes. Oilers had people in Vegas last night watching him". He also said Oilers have legitimate interest in Patrick Kane and Tyler Bertuzzi. He said Oilers have lot's of balls in the air on big players

Meh, nothing but the same old we've heard

 

[ManofSteel55]

I disagree. He couldn't.

Bouch has certain assets that Barrie doesnt possess. He has enough size to hold his own as he matures defensively. In his first game last year he defended on 7 PKs while Barrie was sheltered. Literally from the moment he first slapped on the uniform he was more trusted defensively. He has a shot that Barrie simply does not possess. He hasn't been far off Barrie's production despite the fact that Barrie gets all the PP time on the top PP in the NHL.

By the time Bouch enters his prime and becomes more of a veteran defender, there'll be no comparison. We've seen the absolute best Barrie has to offer here and its been enough to say hes been a decent 2 way contributor at his peak. Bouchard will be more than that.

Maybe he will. And maybe we're seeing the best he has right now

 

[joestevens29]

Friedman said on Karlsson, "We'll see where it goes. Oilers had people in Vegas last night watching him". He also said Oilers have legitimate interest in Patrick Kane and Tyler Bertuzzi. He said Oilers have lot's of balls in the air on big players

Honestly are they even looking at Karlsson? The guy is what he is at this point. Wondering if they are looking at others on the team, lessor know guys that might be apart of a deal.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Friedman said on Karlsson, "We'll see where it goes. Oilers had people in Vegas last night watching him". He also said Oilers have legitimate interest in Patrick Kane and Tyler Bertuzzi. He said Oilers have lot's of balls in the air on big players

It’s Hollands thing. He has like 5 different plans so if one falls apart he goes to the next one, he has always been like that. Not saying the plans are good but he always has numerous things on the go.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[CycloneSweep]

He is a pretty decent B/C prospect probably a mid to late 2nd type in this draft.

 

[joestevens29]

It’s Hollands thing. He has like 5 different plans so if one falls apart he goes to the next one, he has always been like that. Not saying the plans are good but he always has numerous things on the go.

Which is what you kind of want. Even if you just have slight interest in a guy, it is worth the call to feel out what the ask is. Never know what is going to happen in the last few minutes of a trade deadline. Good to have some talks before just in case you have to make a fast decision.

I think that makes a lot of sense given what Cyclone is saying. You have a variety of players you are interested in, but teams might think maybe they can jump in and get a prospect they like for a guy that maybe Holland hasn't reached out about.