Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Hallsy Take 2?

[MessierII]

Have to disagree with the bolded. From my perch last year, most games he didn't even seem like a competent extra NHL forward. Yes, he showed some skill, and has size, but like a new born fawn learning to run, he looked out of place most nights. Hopefully his time in the KHL will help him mature and become a useful player for some NHL team.

Playing in Sm-Liiga not the khl.

 

[Stoneman89]

The one thing that needs to be considered is the difference in the role you need him for this time vs last. You would be bringing him in to play on the second line and be at best the third fiddle.

A lot of his poor decision making happens when he tries to do it all himself. Generally this would happen when the team was struggling. With the current Oilers his main value would be to provide a very significant second level of attack should teams succeed in shutting down McDavid/Draisaitl. He would be against weaker opposition than he has typically seen in his career. Hopefully he is also more mature than he was his first time in Edmonton.

For all of Hall's faults he is an elite player. It's not easy for a team like Edmonton to add elite players. UFA's don't want to play in Edmonton. Hall might be the exception. The cost could be high but the reward could be significant as well.

Totally agree with this. You get a chance to acquire an elite talent in a market like ours, you go for it. In a different role, I think he thrives. For example, wonder if the result agains the Jets might have been different if we had Hall being thrown out there right after the McDavid/Drai line came off every time? The guy is a line driver, who likes to carry the puck. Let him run that line with complimentary pieces.

 

[Stoneman89]

Playing in Sm-Liiga not the khl.

Sorry, should have said Europe, my bad.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Fiala from the wild could be interesting

 

[Stoneman89]

Fiala from the wild could be interesting

He is the best of the choices of those 3, but also comes with a 3 mill price tag. Almost 2nd liner territory.

 

[majormajor]

Totally agree with this. You get a chance to acquire an elite talent in a market like ours, you go for it. In a different role, I think he thrives. For example, wonder if the result agains the Jets might have been different if we had Hall being thrown out there right after the McDavid/Drai line came off every time? The guy is a line driver, who likes to carry the puck. Let him run that line with complimentary pieces.

Can someone explain to me how the Hall to Edmonton idea is supposed to work cap and assets wise? It's hard enough trying to get a fix for the bottom six with the cap situation.

Put me solidly in the "wait and see on the bottom 6" camp.

The team is winning and getting it done defensively overall.

There's legit help down in Bakersfield and on IR as well...

Marody
Benson
Nygard
Haas
Gambardella
Currie
Yamamoto


They have Gagner up as well who I think will help offensively... he needs more than just 1 game so give him some time here.

I realize it's 11 games and the bottom 6 has 1 goal (Nygard)... but I still wouldn't panic. There's decent offensive potential in the org and there's also no guarantee that whoever they bring in as a bottom 6 addition from a trade with another team will actually contribute more than those guys I listed above.

Can someone explain to me why those Bakersfield guys haven't been given a shot on the big club yet? I haven't been reading the boards but I've been watching the games and the bottom six of the big club is as bad as I've ever seen a bottom six. I'm so disappointed in Khaira, he shouldn't be on the ice with how bad he's been. Patrick Russell doesn't look like NHL quality. Sheahan as #4C looks like the only guy who's been slotted properly.

For example:

Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
Nygard-Nuge-Neal
Gagner-Haas-Jurco
Chiasson-Sheahan-Russell/Khaira

That looks like a decent bottom 6 to me. Not world-beating, by any stretch, but decent. We also have Puljujarvi who might return something, not to mention any call ups later in the season could affect things.

The 4th line is decent for a 4th line, but the 3rd is still bad in my opinion.

 

[ujju2]

Can someone explain to me how the Hall to Edmonton idea is supposed to work cap and assets wise? It's hard enough trying to get a fix for the bottom six with the cap situation.



Can someone explain to me why those Bakersfield guys haven't been given a shot on the big club yet? I haven't been reading the boards but I've been watching the games and the bottom six of the big club is as bad as I've ever seen a bottom six. I'm so disappointed in Khaira, he shouldn't be on the ice with how bad he's been. Patrick Russell doesn't look like NHL quality. Sheahan as #4C looks like the only guy who's been slotted properly.



The 4th line is decent for a 4th line, but the 3rd is still bad in my opinion.

Tbh I'd flip those two lines in ranking, I just had them that way because I wanted the more skilled offensive line as the third line. I think Chiasson-Sheahan-Russell is fine as a third line, and Jurco-Haas-Gagner works as an easy minutes + 2nd pp 4th line. Again, any AHL call ups would also affect this, and I'm sure there will be at least one this season.

 

[belair]

Kris Russell is all over this as well...

 

[majormajor]

Tbh I'd flip those two lines in ranking, I just had them that way because I wanted the more skilled offensive line as the third line. I think Chiasson-Sheahan-Russell is fine as a third line, and Jurco-Haas-Gagner works as an easy minutes + 2nd pp 4th line. Again, any AHL call ups would also affect this, and I'm sure there will be at least one this season.

Well let me rephrase my critique - they look like two decent 4th lines. It's an improvement on two AHL lines, but still not a decent bottom six in my opinion.

 

[McDNicks17]

I feel a bit better about our bottom 9 after seeing the Panthers lineup on DailyFaceoff.

Yikes. Boyle at #2C. Pysyk playing third line wing? That can't be real.

Holland should be trying to sucker them into taking Chiasson or Gagner right now.

 

[ujju2]

Well let me rephrase my critique - they look like two decent 4th lines. It's an improvement on two AHL lines, but still not a decent bottom six in my opinion.

Fair enough. I tend to think that at least Chiasson and Sheahan are third liners, if not the RW on that line. Chiasson showed it last year and so far this year I'm quite liking what I see from Sheahan. Also a lot changes if a guy like McLeod or Yamamoto gets called up later on. Of course that's purely hypothetical.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I feel a bit better about our bottom 9 after seeing the Panthers lineup on DailyFaceoff.

Yikes. Boyle at #2C. Pysyk playing third line wing? That can't be real.

Holland should be trying to sucker them into taking Chiasson or Gagner right now.

When did Pysyk get converted to forward?

 

[ujju2]

I feel a bit better about our bottom 9 after seeing the Panthers lineup on DailyFaceoff.

Yikes. Boyle at #2C. Pysyk playing third line wing? That can't be real.

Holland should be trying to sucker them into taking Chiasson or Gagner right now.

Idk but I suspect the Trochek injury has a lot to do with that... Connolly as 2RW makes no sense otherwise.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I feel a bit better about our bottom 9 after seeing the Panthers lineup on DailyFaceoff.

Yikes. Boyle at #2C. Pysyk playing third line wing? That can't be real.

Holland should be trying to sucker them into taking Chiasson or Gagner right now.

panthers are right up against the cap

they have too much money tied up on the back end. Nearly 50% of their cap is spent on D andG

 

[MessierII]

Holland should be trying to sucker them into taking Chiasson or Gagner right now.

So we can replace with who?

 

[McDNicks17]

So we can replace with who?

Literally anything that doesn't cost $2.15/$3.15M.

 

[ujju2]

Literally anything that doesn't cost $2.15/$3.15M.

Gagner's contract ends after this season. If we're not going to use that cap space for something this season there's no reason to move it. And Chiasson isn't even that bad a contract. I mean he's the best of all the options we've had on the 2nd line with Nygard out... Ideally he's a pretty decent 3rd liner.

 

[majormajor]

Maybe we can move some of our underperforming bottom 6 guys for other underperforming bottom 6ers. Change of scenery, different coaching, system, etc. Worked for us with Neal, maybe lightning can strike twice or even thrice.

It worked with Neal sure, but swapping underperforming bottom 6ers for new underperforming bottom 6ers is what the Oilers have done over and over again in the last few years. Neal is the only time it didn't fail.

Chicago trying to move Zack Smith and Perlini.

Minnesota trying to move Fiala, Ek, and Donato.

Might be something for our bottom 6.

Smith is a trainwreck at this point. I haven't seen Perlini's game this year, but from last year I'm guessing he's just too much of a liability for Chicago. He scored goals at a good clip for a 4th liner but he had the worst CF% on the team and only one player had a worse GF% (goals percentage), Brandon Manning.

Fiala is the one guy from the Wild with solid scoring ability. It's not surprising at all that Donato hasn't sustained his scoring touch, he doesn't have much skills-wise. But I don't think the Oilers should look to any of them.

Here's an idea: instead of repeatedly picking over discarded scraps, as the Oilers have done continually in the last few years, how about they pay up for a player or two that is playing well right now. I've brought up Pageau and Tierney, but there's plenty more options out there.

What are the chances that the Leafs realize that they've botched their summer moves and that they can't go into the playoffs without a shutdown RD? Adam Larsson could be a target for them. And obviously Kasperi Kapanen would be a good third line upgrade for the Oilers.

Look at Sonny Milano in Columbus. He's never going to get off the 4th line in Torts' tenure despite consistently scoring at a high per minute rate. He'd be #2LW in Edmonton, and a fine 3rd or 4th line wing option anywhere. He's very unorthodox, and that draws a lot of criticism, but his overall defensive contribution is fine. A lot of giveaways but also a lot of takeaways. He's probably available for a 2nd rounder, if you wait until he has a dry spell or pisses off his coach.

 

[MessierII]

It worked with Neal sure, but swapping underperforming bottom 6ers for new underperforming bottom 6ers is what the Oilers have done over and over again in the last few years. Neal is the only time it didn't fail.



Smith is a trainwreck at this point. I haven't seen Perlini's game this year, but from last year I'm guessing he's just too much of a liability for Chicago. He scored goals at a good clip for a 4th liner but he had the worst CF% on the team and only one player had a worse GF% (goals percentage), Brandon Manning.

Fiala is the one guy from the Wild with solid scoring ability. It's not surprising at all that Donato hasn't sustained his scoring touch, he doesn't have much skills-wise. But I don't think the Oilers should to any of them.

Here's an idea: instead of repeatedly picking over discarded scraps, as the Oilers have done continually in the last few years, how about they pay up for a player or two that is playing well right now. I've brought up Pageau and Tierney, but there's plenty more options out there.

What are the chances that the Leafs realize that they've botched their summer moves and that they can't go into the playoffs without a shutdown RD? Adam Larsson could be a target for them. And obviously Kasperi Kapanen would be a good third line upgrade for the Oilers.

Look at Sonny Milano in Columbus. He's never going to get off the 4th line in Torts' tenure despite consistently scoring at a high per minute rate. He'd be #2LW in Edmonton, and a fine 3rd or 4th line wing option anywhere. He's very unorthodox, and that draws a lot of criticism, but his overall defensive contribution is fine. A lot of giveaways but also a lot of takeaways. He's probably available for a 2nd rounder, if you wait until he has a dry spell or pisses off his coach.

We don’t have the cap to take on someone playing well right now without it being a complex deal.

 

[McDNicks17]

Gagner's contract ends after this season. If we're not going to use that cap space for something this season there's no reason to move it. And Chiasson isn't even that bad a contract.

If you could trade either of those contracts for nothing, you come out way ahead.

Gagner's deal might be expiring, but the Oilers are over the cap right now. Clearing a $3.15M AHL forward would give them the flexibility to actually do something with the roster. Same goes for Chiasson since they'll likely be in the same boat with him next season.

 

[ujju2]

Here's an idea: instead of repeatedly picking over discarded scraps, as the Oilers have done continually in the last few years, how about they pay up for a player or two that is playing well right now. I've brought up Pageau and Tierney, but there's plenty more options out there.

What are the chances that the Leafs realize that they've botched their summer moves and that they can't go into the playoffs without a shutdown RD? Adam Larsson could be a target for them. And obviously Kasperi Kapanen would be a good third line upgrade for the Oilers.

Well we don't really have a true shutdown RD either with Larsson gone. We should be holding on to him. I might try to move Russell to the Leafs though. He'd be an upgrade to their bottom pair, even playing on the right side.

 

[majormajor]

We don’t have the cap to take on someone playing well right now without it being a complex deal.

In the cases I mentioned, Kapanen and Milano actually have lower cap hits combined than Larsson does (almost the same), and if you wanted Tierney and/or Pageau (or anyone), Gagner and/or Russell could both be used as cap dumps (probably with a small cost attached) or Manning as a dump (larger cost to move).

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Literally anything that doesn't cost $2.15/$3.15M.

i kind of like chiassons chippy-ness.....hes' hard up to earn his contract the way things are going...but still...

 

[MessierII]

In the cases I mentioned, Kapanen and Milano actually have lower cap hits combined than Larsson does (almost the same), and if you wanted Tierney and/or Pageau (or anyone), Gagner and/or Russell could both be used as cap dumps (probably with a small cost attached) or Manning as a dump (larger cost to move).

Yeah but Toronto can’t take on cap. Also moving Larsson is a terrible idea.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah but Toronto can’t take on cap. Also moving Larsson is a terrible idea.

If you can get a good forward back for him it isn't a terrible idea.