Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Chia's Quest For D and WINNING!

[Originally Posted By*]

You don't trade Hall unless you're getting a #1 defenceman. If you traded Hall for anyone else, you're the laughingstock of the league.

#1 defencemen don't get traded.

Ergo, Hall doesn't get traded.

What about this scenario.

This summer, no gm will trade us any defenceman worth while (they see ebs/yak/trading chip as not valuable for a 2-4 dman), and we go into the new arena with the same core.

Then what do we do?

I know one thing for certain, TM will not allow another last place season, and if he is straddled with a ****** D core you can bet he'll want out. He's not here for a rebuild he's here to push the needle forward.

If we had to trade Hall to acquire the dman that makes us competitive, it's a no brainer tbh.

 

[Young Lions*]

You don't trade Hall unless you're getting a #1 defenceman. If you traded Hall for anyone else, you're the laughingstock of the league.

#1 defencemen don't get traded.

Ergo, Hall doesn't get traded.

Been saying this now for months. Doesn't seem to be sinking in. That or, for some posters, trading Hall is the end unto itself. The #1D thing is a fake-out.

 

[Young Lions*]

What about this scenario.

This summer, no gm will trade us any defenceman worth while (they see ebs/yak/trading chip as not valuable for a 2-4 dman), and we go into the new arena with the same core.

Then what do we do?

Sign one of the top four UFA D that hit the market? Target an RFA like Jones with an offer sheet?

Now let's turn this around: you dangle Hall for a #1D and no one bites. Then what do you do? Trade him for pennies on the dollar because you hate the player?

 

[Originally Posted By*]

Been saying this now for months. Doesn't seem to be sinking in. That or, for some posters, trading Hall is the end unto itself. The #1D thing is a fake-out.

It's not "sinking in" because you're wrong.

The team gets better without Hall and a competent dman than with Hall and Sekera as our D.

Or do you expect teams to give up a competent dman for Eberle?

 

[Aceboogie]

What about this scenario.

This summer, no gm will trade us any defenceman worth while (they see ebs/yak/trading chip as not valuable for a 2-4 dman), and we go into the new arena with the same core.

Then what do we do?

I know one thing for certain, TM will not allow another last place season, and if he is straddled with a ****** D core you can bet he'll want out. He's not here for a rebuild he's here to push the needle forward.

If we had to trade Hall to acquire the dman that makes us competitive, it's a no brainer tbh.

So we actively lose trades in order to get a 2nd pairing D?

There is such a thing called free agency, where we can acquire D. Demers and Yandle. There easy. And we dont have to trade a premier forward


Not sure why people get it in their heads the only trades are great forwards for D. People need to post some trades from past years to show this. Because in hisotry most trades for D are for a lot less.

People make fun of Chia for Seguin trade, yet actively support a Hall trade in which we know we will lose bad. Blows my mind

Although doesnt really matter. Nearly every respectable media outlet, and our our GM, has said Hall is close to untouchable and wont be moved. Atleast our GM is smart

 

[Originally Posted By*]

Sign one of the top four UFA D that hit the market? Target an RFA like Jones with an offer sheet?

Now let's turn this around: you dangle Hall for a #1D and no one bites. Then what do you do? Trade him for pennies on the dollar because you hate the player?

You start with Hall and you add. That's what competent management does. I know were not used to that because we haven't had a competent staff for over a decade, but you put your salesman hat on and you address our organizational weakness.

 

[Originally Posted By*]

So we actively lose trades in order to get a 2nd pairing D?

There is such a thing called free agency, where we can acquire D. Demers and Yandle. There easy. And we dont have to trade a premier forward


Not sure why people get it in their heads the only trades are great forwards for D. People need to post some trades from past years to show this. Because in hisotry most trades for D are for a lot less.

People make fun of Chia for Seguin trade, yet actively support a Hall trade in which we know we will lose bad. Blows my mind

Although doesnt really matter. Nearly every respectable media outlet, and our our GM, has said Hall is close to untouchable and wont be moved. Atleast our GM is smart

UFA route? Hah - because players are dying to come ruin their career in Edmonton and finish last have you been paying attention to our UFA efforts the last decade? Players dont come here, and rightfully so.

If it's so "easy" why haven't we done it yet?

 

[Young Lions*]

It's not "sinking in" because you're wrong.

OK, please provide a complete list of the #1D who have been traded in the last decade?

Here's mine:

1) Chris Pronger

That's the list.

The team gets better without Hall and a competent dman than with Hall and Sekera as our D.

The team is even better with Hall and a competent d-corps.

Or do you expect teams to give up a competent dman for Eberle?

If the cut off is merely "competent" then, yes: you can get those for substantially less than a top 5 winger.

You start with Hall and you add. That's what competent management does. I know were not used to that because we haven't had a competent staff for over a decade, but you put your salesman hat on and you address our organizational weakness.

Competent management does not start with their highest possible offer and then add to that.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

We have to trust Chiarelli.

Guy clearly has a gameplan, unlike the managers before him.

Maroon and Kassian were solid in-season acquisitions. I'll guess that Eberle and Yakupov are moved out; possibly Pouliot as well.

 

[Aceboogie]

The Oilers are nowhere near a "90% Ferrari", they're tied for last place and they're close to the salary cap. That's bad.

They shouldn't trade every single player, but major moves definitely need to be made.

McDavid, Hall, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Nurse, RNH, Eberle. The Oilers were the most injury decimated team this year in the NHL by far. The Oilers missed their top D and 2nd best D for more than half the season. As well as missed on of the best players in the league for 37 games.


Trade Proposal thread on HFOil is by far worst on HF. Devolves into histeria every time. Maybe it was the 5 years of pure suckage under 2 horrible GMs. But people need to step back from the ledge. Look at how Chiarelli acquired his cup winning D core (apart from Chara). Look at how the Eastern Oiler (the Islanders) built their D core. Tell me, why is Tavares still with the Islanders, yet they got 1 top pairing D and 1 2nd pairing D. Because D are routinely traded for picks and prospects. How did Calgary get Hamilton (and we almost get him)? Hmmm Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett are still on the team. Weird. Again picks for D

So to everyone waiving the "end of the world" flag in this thread. Just take a deep breath and look at the past 10 years of D trades and base any future trades off those. Dont listen to Eklund or whichever clickbait articles is proclaiming Hall+RNH and everybody is gone. Look at how Chiarelli acquired Sekera, Maroon, Kassian, Talbot and apply it to how hell grab a D or 2

 

[The Perfect Human*]

It's not "sinking in" because you're wrong.

The team gets better without Hall and a competent dman than with Hall and Sekera as our D.

Or do you expect teams to give up a competent dman for Eberle?

Though I agree we'd be better without Hall (and we should be able to get somewhat decent return for Hall +), I also think teams do not trade legit #1 D men and we should forget about acquiring one. At best we MAY be able to obtain a "pseudo" #1 D man who is flawed (ie Subban) that may really not help this team as much as a true #1 D (ie Doughty). And we'd have to pay a massive price. If we can somehow get Subban for Hall and a bit, I'm sure it would indicate that Subban is very flawed. We need to concentrate on obtaining a few very good #2 or 3-4 D men instead. improve the D by committee not a singular player. Also as you know I do believe getting rid of the old core and a couple other dumb dumb players while bringing in some top 6 veteran help WILL help the defence in general play better. Chia must be busy this summer. TM will not be able to handle another season like this. His heart would explode.

 

[Aceboogie]

UFA route? Hah - because players are dying to come ruin their career in Edmonton and finish last have you been paying attention to our UFA efforts the last decade? Players dont come here, and rightfully so.

If it's so "easy" why haven't we done it yet?

Oilers signed the top FA last year in Sekera. Oilers signed TSNs top UFA D 2 years ago in Ference (ina really weak crop but he was heavily pursued). Oilers landed the 2nd most sought after FA 2 years ago in Fayne., We have done it. Problem is the UFA crop was weak 2 years ago, and we also traded away our top pairing RHD for a 2nd to Montreal

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Oilers signed the top FA last year in Sekera. Oilers signed TSNs top UFA D 2 years ago in Ference (ina really weak crop but he was heavily pursued). Oilers landed the 2nd most sought after FA 2 years ago in Fayne., We have done it. Problem is the UFA crop was weak 2 years ago, and we also traded away our top pairing RHD for a 2nd to Montreal

On what planet was Sekera the top FA last year? Amongst d-men alone, Mike Green, Cody Franson and Paul Martin were viewed as the "top tier" guys.

 

[Aceboogie]

I think its absolutely insane that the same conversation that Oiler fans have had the past 5 months is still creeping up. Youd think fans would learn

The last #1 D traded was Pronger in 2006. His return was equivalant to Klefbom, Reinhart, Musil. Then traded in 2007 for equivalant of Yak, Reinhart, low 1st, 2nd, cond 1st

Thats it. Thats all. We need to sticky past D trades so people can remember them when proposing some horrible deals

 

[OilerFan4Life]

He probably won't sign here because of how the Oilers treated his best friend (and he's a left shot so not ideal) but I wonder if the Oilers target Keith Yandle this summer.

 

[Aceboogie]

On what planet was Sekera the top FA last year? Amongst d-men alone, Mike Green, Cody Franson and Paul Martin were viewed as the "top tier" guys.

No they werent. Absolutely zero chance. Cody Franson? are you kidding? Cody Franson?

Paul Martin? less than zero chance.

Only Mike Green was closest in terms of play. But was getting less hype due to expected money demands

Look I am probably one of the bigger Sekera detractors on HFOil. But unquestionably 100% he was the top UFA D available. He was top deadline D when LA got him and by far top UFA D available

 

[McWeber]

He probably won't sign here because of how the Oilers treated his best friend (and he's a left shot so not ideal) but I wonder if the Oilers target Keith Yandle this summer.

Who is his best friend?

 

[Aceboogie]

Though I agree we'd be better without Hall (and we should be able to get somewhat decent return for Hall +), I also think teams do not trade legit #1 D men and we should forget about acquiring one. At best we MAY be able to obtain a "pseudo" #1 D man who is flawed (ie Subban) that may really not help this team as much as a true #1 D (ie Doughty). And we'd have to pay a massive price. If we can somehow get Subban for Hall and a bit, I'm sure it would indicate that Subban is very flawed. We need to concentrate on obtaining a few very good #2 or 3-4 D men instead. improve the D by committee not a singular player. Also as you know I do believe getting rid of the old core and a couple other dumb dumb players while bringing in some top 6 veteran help WILL help the defence in general play better. Chia must be busy this summer. TM will not be able to handle another season like this. His heart would explode.

This post needs to be stickied. D by committee. Not overpaying out the A$$ for a unicorn #1D (that isnt available). And not D like Ference or Nikitin, actual for middle pairing D.

Vancouver made it to cup final with D by committee, in the Pacific

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Who is his best friend?

Ryan Whitney.

 

[Seachd]

On what planet was Sekera the top FA last year? Amongst d-men alone, Mike Green, Cody Franson and Paul Martin were viewed as the "top tier" guys.

You're remembering a very different offseason than I am.

 

[The Perfect Human*]

This post needs to be stickied. D by committee. Not overpaying out the A$$ for a unicorn #1D (that isnt available). And not D like Ference or Nikitin, actual for middle pairing D.

Vancouver made it to cup final with D by committee, in the Pacific

2005-06 canes cup team Defence:

And aged Glen Wesley
Aaron Ward
Frankie KAberle
Bret Hedican
Nic Wallin
Babchuck
Commodore
Hutchinson
bust Tverdovsky

"stellar"

 

[OilerFan4Life]

No they werent. Absolutely zero chance. Cody Franson? are you kidding? Cody Franson?

Paul Martin? less than zero chance.

Only Mike Green was closest in terms of play. But was getting less hype due to expected money demands

Look I am probably one of the bigger Sekera detractors on HFOil. But unquestionably 100% he was the top UFA D available. He was top deadline D when LA got him and by far top UFA D available

Franson and Green were higher than Sekera on TSN's top free agents list. I could be wrong on Martin.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

2005-06 canes cup team Defence:

And aged Glen Wesley
Aaron Ward
Frankie KAberle
Bret Hedican
Nic Wallin
Babchuck
Commodore
Hutchinson
bust Tverdovsky

"stellar"

Man what a pathetic group. They must have beaten a really crappy team in the finals.

 

[jeg]

Just some of what i thought were the better UFA D available this summer,
Goligoski, Alex DAL
Polak, Roman SJ
Yandle, Keith NYR
Russell, Kris DAL
Demers, Jason DAL
Bartkowski, Matt VAN
Schenn, Luke LA
Weber, Yannick VAN
Zidlicky, Marek NYI
Gryba, Eric EDM
Lovejoy, Ben PIT
Benn, Jordie DAL
Miller, Kevan BOS

 

[Jet Walters]

No they werent. Absolutely zero chance. Cody Franson? are you kidding? Cody Franson?

Paul Martin? less than zero chance.

Only Mike Green was closest in terms of play. But was getting less hype due to expected money demands

Look I am probably one of the bigger Sekera detractors on HFOil. But unquestionably 100% he was the top UFA D available. He was top deadline D when LA got him and by far top UFA D available

Despite the narrative that no one wants to come to Edmonton, the Oilers have signed more prominent UFA's than three quarters of the league the last 3-4 years. No Canadian team has done better attracting UFA's either. Yet it seems like some people use poor old undesirable Edmonton as an excuse in a lot of their arguments.