Prospect Info: Round 1, Pick 23: Tyson Foerster, RW, Barrie (OHL)

[Striiker]

The shameless shilling by these writers is just embarrassing.

 

[Jettany]

There was an article that said Nolan was the consensus 2 pick, and clearly was because they chose him, but that a rising Dman was making it interesting and not necessarily unanimous. It wasn't specified if it was Makar or Heiskanen they were considering or both.

The migraine disorder was diagnosed in the summer, but he started having headaches immediately after the Clutterbuck shot to the back of the head. They didn't want to call it a concussion, so let's call it 'Slapshot to the back of the head syndrome.'

At any rate, they kept it quiet to help the acquire Hayes' right and sign him before the other teams knew they'd be desperate for a 2C if Nolan couldn't go.

They knew about his migraine issues at the draft along with his core injuries. That being said, he was rated number 2 at the draft. And was picked number 2. Health was definitely somewhat of a question mark.

Need him healthy.

 

[BritainStix]

Try to paint it however you want, Patrick was a mistake at #2.

Again, no he wasn't. We just had Flyer luck.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

WTF is "labeled for child nutrition" supposed to mean?

Talk about empty language.

 

[VladDrag]

If the NHL is anything like the NFL, a good portion of picks aren’t unanimous. It just never gets reported until/unless someone wants it out there.

Yeah - that’s why I wanted to see the quote. What was the context when it was said.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Again, no he wasn't. We just had Flyer luck.

People speak of Hextall's drafting like he was a sage. He had some big misses. If he were such a draft sage, he wouldn't have taken Patrick at 2, especially when he had members of his own staff wanting to go with someone else.

 

[Adtar02]

"I am going to sum up the entire fanbase into two separate categories, neither of which capturing the overall view of a draft pick, and then use that as the foundation for a tweet to defend a team that lets me write about them."

It’s like they took a vow to sow discontent through the fan base while projecting the air of superiority

 

[Striiker]

Try to paint it however you want, Patrick was a mistake at #2. The next three selections were Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson. We've already heard that the Flyers were aware of Patrick's migraine history. They were aware of his two core surgeries. We've heard he wasn't a consensus pick among their own scouting staff.

Patrick at 2 was a miss by Hextall. So was O'Brien at 19. Rubtsov at 22. Laberge at 36.

Ghosts Beer is such a contrarian that he's even going to contradict himself. The Patrick pick was such a mistake that he spent months saying it was the right choice before the draft.

He honestly makes this too easy for me.

 

[Adtar02]

Yeah - that’s why I wanted to see the quote. What was the context when it was said.

Same. And afterwards I don’t feel anything odd was reveled

 

[Curufinwe]

They knew about his migraine issues at the draft along with his core injuries.

I never saw anything about migraine issues or concussions in 2017. All the injury talk was about his hernias.

Nolan Patrick says he's overcoming two hernia injuries - Sportsnet.ca.

 

[flyersnorth]

I'm guessing just about every GM, holding the #2 pick at the 2017 draft, goes up to the podium and announces they're taking Nolan Patrick.

At the time, with the information people had, it's hard to argue he wasn't the BPA at #2.

Maybe there were writers/analysts/pundits putting Patrick's #1/2 OA ranking into question, but I didn't see any.

 

[Adtar02]

I never saw anything about migraine issues or concussions in 2017. All the injury talk was about his hernias.

Nolan Patrick says he's overcoming two hernia injuries - Sportsnet.ca.

I would think it would be hard to learn about his migraine issues prior to Patrick learning about them two years later.

 

[deadhead]

If Patrick can get past the concussions, he has a good opportunity to show why he was #2.
At this point, he should be well past the surgeries, and completely rebuilt his core strength.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I'm guessing just about every GM, holding the #2 pick at the 2017 draft, goes up to the podium and announces they're taking Nolan Patrick.

At the time, with the information people had, it's hard to argue he wasn't the BPA at #2.

Maybe there were writers/analysts/pundits putting Patrick's #1/2 OA ranking into question, but I didn't see any.

There was disagreement among the Flyers' scouts, and Hextall went the wrong way.

I remember reading an article before the draft that mentioned how Patrick was close to being eligible for the prior draft, and that he would have gone somewhere in the middle of the top 10. The point being that he wasn't an elite prospect. He had a lot of questions surrounding him -- injuries and skating in particular.

You can't afford to whiff when you luck out with the #2 pick, and Hextall whiffed. I'm only holding him to a higher standard because some posters treat him like a drafting wizard. I don't think you can label him a drafting wizard and just ignore Patrick, Rubtsov, Laberge.

And I'm not at all contending that Hextall was a bad drafter or that he didn't make some good picks. But he had some bad ones that get glossed over under the idea that he was a draft guru.

 

[The Madrigal]

There was disagreement among the Flyers' scouts, and Hextall went the wrong way.

I remember reading an article before the draft that mentioned how Patrick was close to being eligible for the prior draft, and that he would have gone somewhere in the middle of the top 10. The point being that he wasn't an elite prospect. He had a lot of questions surrounding him -- injuries and skating in particular.

You can't afford to whiff when you luck out with the #2 pick, and Hextall whiffed. I'm only holding him to a higher standard because some posters treat him like a drafting wizard. I don't think you can label him a drafting wizard and just ignore Patrick, Rubtsov, Laberge.

And I'm not at all contending that Hextall was a bad drafter or that he didn't make some good picks. But he had some bad ones that get glossed over under the idea that he was a draft guru.

Yep

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I would think it would be hard to learn about his migraine issues prior to Patrick learning about them two years later.

Well, Fletcher's said Patrick has had migraine problems since junior and that there's a family history. With all of the insane research they do in draft preparation, which includes reviewing medical records, you really think they weren't aware until his recurrence?

 

[Jettany]

I never saw anything about migraine issues or concussions in 2017. All the injury talk was about his hernias.

Nolan Patrick says he's overcoming two hernia injuries - Sportsnet.ca.

The Fine Line Between Health and High Expectations for Nolan Patrick

Middle of the article.

 

[Jettany]

I would think it would be hard to learn about his migraine issues prior to Patrick learning about them two years later.

The Fine Line Between Health and High Expectations for Nolan Patrick

 

[BernieParent]

Try to paint it however you want, Patrick was a mistake at #2. The next three selections were Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson. We've already heard that the Flyers were aware of Patrick's migraine history. They were aware of his two core surgeries. We've heard he wasn't a consensus pick among their own scouting staff.

Patrick at 2 was a miss by Hextall. So was O'Brien at 19. Rubtsov at 22. Laberge at 36.

Was Cherepanov a miss by the Rangers?

 

[deadhead]

Rubtsov and Laberge came out of a really bad draft.
#11 Logan Brown, #12 Michael McLeod, #13 Jake Bean, #17 Dante Fabbro, #18 Logan Stanley (who we traded down from), #19 Keiffer Bellows, #21 Julien Gauither, #23 Henrik Borgstrom, #25 Riley Tufte, #28 Lucas Johansen, #29 Trent Federic

And the guys we could have taken at #18:
#20 Dennis Cholowski, 3rd pair D-man
#24 Max Jones, meh at LW so far (10 ES points in 59g in his second season)
#26 Tage Thompson
#27 Brett Howden
#30 Sam Steel

You have to go to #39, DeBrincat, to find a legitimate starter, and he has his flaws (look ma, no defense), it's hard to score 40 goals and end up with a E +/- of -4.4.
Next player, #47 Girard, #48 Hart, #66 Adam Fox

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Was Cherepanov a miss by the Rangers?

Cherepanov was 17th overall, and as far as I recall there were no indications his heart was going to stop.

 

[Adtar02]

Well, Fletcher's said Patrick has had migraine problems since junior and that there's a family history. With all of the insane research they do in draft preparation, which includes reviewing medical records, you really think they weren't aware until his recurrence?

Problems could be anything from he had some migraines as a kid to a recurring issue. Considering the the fact that he was relieved once the migraine disorder was diagnosed. Doubt the later is the case.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Rubtsov and Laberge came out of a really bad draft.
#11 Logan Brown, #12 Michael McLeod, #13 Jake Bean, #17 Dante Fabbro, #18 Logan Stanley (who we traded down from), #19 Keiffer Bellows, #21 Julien Gauither, #23 Henrik Borgstrom, #25 Riley Tufte, #28 Lucas Johansen, #29 Trent Federic

And the guys we could have taken at #18:
#20 Dennis Cholowski, 3rd pair D-man
#24 Max Jones, meh at LW so far (10 ES points in 59g in his second season)
#26 Tage Thompson
#27 Brett Howden
#30 Sam Steel

You have to go to #39, DeBrincat, to find a legitimate starter, and he has his flaws (look ma, no defense), it's hard to score 40 goals and end up with a E +/- of -4.4.
Next player, #47 Girard, #48 Hart, #66 Adam Fox

Howden just turned 22 and has played over 130 NHL games for a loaded organization.

Sam Steel has 33 points in 87 NHL games.

Max Jones is the guy I wanted. He was always going to take some time, but look at what Josh Anderson just got traded for. Big fast mean guys with solid hands are valuable. He's got 10 goals in 89 NHL games at age 22.

Rubtsov, meanwhile, looks like a dud. 4 NHL games. 0 points. Under a point per game at age 19 in the Q. 2 points in 9 KHL games so far this season at 22.

 

[deadhead]

Howden, Jones and Steel have been meh, Steel for example had 14 ES points in 65 games and a E +/- of -8.9, that's replacement level play if you're being generous.
If you're talking two years from now, then come back in two years and see who improves, including Rubtsov.

Point is that was truly a crap shoot draft after the top ten, far more misses than any draft in the past decade.

Flyers got Hart, which means it was a great draft. I'll take any draft where I land a franchise player.
They also got Allison, Twarynski, Bunnaman, Hogberg and Laczynski, which means it could be really great in two years.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Howden, Jones and Steel have been meh, Steel for example had 14 ES points in 65 games and a E +/- of -8.9, that's replacement level play if you're being generous.
If you're talking two years from now, then come back in two years and see who improves, including Rubtsov.

Point is that was truly a crap shoot draft after the top ten, far more misses than any draft in the past decade.

Flyers got Hart, which means it was a great draft. I'll take any draft where I land a franchise player.
They also got Allison, Twarynski, Bunnaman, Hogberg and Laczynski, which means it could be really great in two years.

Are you contending Rubtsov at 22 wasn't a miss?

He's played 4 NHL games. Multiple players taken after him have played 80+ NHL games. And there's no indications that Rubtsov is going to make the NHL this season, either. (And his potential looks like a bland 4th liner, if he ever makes it.)