Prospect Info: Round 1, Pick 23: Tyson Foerster, RW, Barrie (OHL)

[FlyTimmo]

Try to paint it however you want, Patrick was a mistake at #2. The next three selections were Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson. We've already heard that the Flyers were aware of Patrick's migraine history. They were aware of his two core surgeries. We've heard he wasn't a consensus pick among their own scouting staff.

Patrick at 2 was a miss by Hextall. So was O'Brien at 19. Rubtsov at 22. Laberge at 36.

You should try and use your big brain, and not your small brain.

You are currently using your small brain.

 

[Adtar02]

We've already heard that the Flyers were aware of Patrick's migraine history. They were aware of his two core surgeries. We've heard he wasn't a consensus pick among their own scouting staff.

I haven’t read or heard this. Especially the bolded. Where have you. I’d like to read it.

 

[VladDrag]

Try to paint it however you want, Patrick was a mistake at #2. The next three selections were Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson. We've already heard that the Flyers were aware of Patrick's migraine history. They were aware of his two core surgeries. We've heard he wasn't a consensus pick among their own scouting staff.

Patrick at 2 was a miss by Hextall. So was O'Brien at 19. Rubtsov at 22. Laberge at 36.

Seriously, I'm not trying to 'call you out,' but I never heard that they were aware of the migraine history. I'm also wasn't aware that he wasn't the consensus pick among the coaching staff.

Can you provide articles or quotes?

 

[Young Sandwich]

This may be the one time that I'm ok with Hayes coming up with a new nickname for this kid. His current nickname is "Forey". They might as well call him turtleneck or hoodie instead.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

"Nolan does have a history of migraines, going back to when he was younger — he had some in minor hockey, in junior hockey. There's a family history, as well." Nolan Patrick will miss season opener after being diagnosed with migraine disorder

As for Nolan Patrick not being a consensus pick among the staff, Meltzer wrote about it around a month ago. He said there was a rising defenseman who had support among the scouting staff. I can't find the link, but I'm sure many here read it.

 

[Adtar02]

"Nolan does have a history of migraines, going back to when he was younger — he had some in minor hockey, in junior hockey. There's a family history, as well." Nolan Patrick will miss season opener after being diagnosed with migraine disorder

As for Nolan Patrick not being a consensus pick among the staff, Meltzer wrote about it around a month ago. He said there was a rising defenseman who had support among the scouting staff. I can't find the link, but I'm sure many here read it.

It doesn’t say there were aware of them prior to draft. I am not saying they weren’t. Or were. But he wasn’t diagnosed with a migraine disorder till last summer.

Also as I haven’t read the article that you can’t find nor have I seen anyone else state that he wasn’t the consensus pick. I would really like to see it.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It doesn’t say there were aware of them prior to draft. I am not saying they weren’t. Or were. But he wasn’t diagnosed with a migraine disorder till last summer.

Also as I haven’t read the article that you can’t find nor have I seen anyone else state that he wasn’t the consensus pick. I would really like to see it.

You have Google. Wade through Meltzer's blog posts over the last month or so if you want to find it. Or choose to believe I'm lying.

 

[Starat327]

This may be the one time that I'm ok with Hayes coming up with a new nickname for this kid. His current nickname is "Forey". They might as well call him turtleneck or hoodie instead.

is "Forzy" really any better that "Forey"

REalistically, theyll just call him tree, or Maple, something dumb and unimaginative, to that effect.

 

[flyersnorth]

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Quick Hits and Musings: Hart, Patrick, Flyers Warriors & Flyers Alumni

It's unfair to judge Patrick against players whom Ron Hextall chose to bypass with the second overall pick in 2017. He can only be judged fairly on his own merits. Patrick was not a unanimous top 2 pick internally, but context is needed. This was based on the rapid Draft-year rise of a defense prospect vs. Patrick's injury-affected Draft year. It was never a belief that Patrick did not projected as a fine NHL center who offensive and two-way upside as well as good size.

To me, the health concerns are what's paramount here. We can't even get a read -- or the beginnings of a read -- on where he'll be hockey-wise -- until such a time comes that he and his doctors feel comfortable that he can play without fear for his quality of life when he takes off his skates and leaves the rink. I'm not worried about whether the Flyers should have picked Miro Heiskanen or Cal Makar or Elias Pettersson. They didn't. They picked Patrick.

Until there's a timetable for camp and then a season, we don't even know when any Flyers will be on the ice together again. Thereafter, we don't know when Patrick would be a full participant at practices, available for a few tuneup games and then realistically ready to be green-lighted for NHL regular season games. Given all these uncertainties, I don't think it's wise to make Patrick part of Plan A this offseason. To me, though, that's a matter of pragmatism and not a judgment of the hockey player or the person.

 

[Adtar02]

You have Google. Wade through Meltzer's blog posts over the last month or so if you want to find it. Or choose to believe I'm lying.

1st no.
2nd. I am really not being snarky or nitpicky. Or what ever you think. My first post was pretty direct. And simple.
My second was as well. At no point did I accuse you of lying. I said I haven’t seen or read it and would like too. But I am not going to do your research.
3rd no I actually believe you made up both statements as you refuse to show where you read it, but more importantly are getting defensive about it.

4th again it’s how you write and say things. And then when confronted change direction that causes these problems. Not everyone else.
5th I am not the only one who read what your wrote and asked about it.

 

[Adtar02]

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Quick Hits and Musings: Hart, Patrick, Flyers Warriors & Flyers Alumni

It's unfair to judge Patrick against players whom Ron Hextall chose to bypass with the second overall pick in 2017. He can only be judged fairly on his own merits. Patrick was not a unanimous top 2 pick internally, but context is needed. This was based on the rapid Draft-year rise of a defense prospect vs. Patrick's injury-affected Draft year. It was never a belief that Patrick did not projected as a fine NHL center who offensive and two-way upside as well as good size.

To me, the health concerns are what's paramount here. We can't even get a read -- or the beginnings of a read -- on where he'll be hockey-wise -- until such a time comes that he and his doctors feel comfortable that he can play without fear for his quality of life when he takes off his skates and leaves the rink. I'm not worried about whether the Flyers should have picked Miro Heiskanen or Cal Makar or Elias Pettersson. They didn't. They picked Patrick.

Until there's a timetable for camp and then a season, we don't even know when any Flyers will be on the ice together again. Thereafter, we don't know when Patrick would be a full participant at practices, available for a few tuneup games and then realistically ready to be green-lighted for NHL regular season games. Given all these uncertainties, I don't think it's wise to make Patrick part of Plan A this offseason. To me, though, that's a matter of pragmatism and not a judgment of the hockey player or the person.

Thank you.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[Ghosts Beer]

1st no.
2nd. I am really not being snarky or nitpicky. Or what ever you think. My first post was pretty direct. And simple.
My second was as well. At no point did I accuse you of lying. I said I haven’t seen or read it and would like too. But I am not going to do your research.
3rd no I actually believe you made up both statements as you refuse to show where you read it, but more importantly are getting defensive about it.

4th again it’s how you write and say things. And then when confronted change direction that causes these problems. Not everyone else.
5th I am not the only one who read what your wrote and asked about it.

"My research?" LMAO. I've already read it. If you want to read it, you look it up. I'm not your librarian.

 

[Larry44]

It doesn’t say there were aware of them prior to draft. I am not saying they weren’t. Or were. But he wasn’t diagnosed with a migraine disorder till last summer.

Also as I haven’t read the article that you can’t find nor have I seen anyone else state that he wasn’t the consensus pick. I would really like to see it.

There was an article that said Nolan was the consensus 2 pick, and clearly was because they chose him, but that a rising Dman was making it interesting and not necessarily unanimous. It wasn't specified if it was Makar or Heiskanen they were considering or both.

The migraine disorder was diagnosed in the summer, but he started having headaches immediately after the Clutterbuck shot to the back of the head. They didn't want to call it a concussion, so let's call it 'Slapshot to the back of the head syndrome.'

At any rate, they kept it quiet to help them acquire Hayes' rights and sign him before the other teams knew they'd be desperate for a 2C if Nolan couldn't go.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

"Dino Nugget" is his new nickname

 

[The Madrigal]

Sums up the irrational whining pretty well

Charlie O'Connor @charlieo_conn 19m
Most Flyers fans: you know what would be cool? If the Flyers finally drafted guys with plus shots that like to shoot Flyers: do that rational fans: hey that's neat! fans who just like to complain: lmao classic Flyers, only going for guys with skating issues, how embarrassing

Bill
Matz
@BILLadelphia1
I want to draft a player who can score on command and also has zero holes in his game and I want him in the mid-20s and if Fletcher’s people can’t get that done then wtf are they doing?

 

[Adtar02]

There was an article that said Nolan was the consensus 2 pick, and clearly was because they chose him, but that a rising Dman was making it interesting and not necessarily unanimous. It wasn't specified if it was Makar or Heiskanen they were considering or both.

The migraine disorder was diagnosed in the summer, but he started having headaches immediately after the Clutterbuck shot to the back of the head. They didn't want to call it a concussion, so let's call it 'Slapshot to the back of the head syndrome.'

At any rate, they kept it quiet to help the acquire Hayes' right and sign him before the other teams knew they'd be desperate for a 2C if Nolan couldn't go.

Thank you. Just read it. Really love the we can’t judge him against the other picks. But some scouts liked a defenseman better part. Really quality journalism. You shouldnt do this, but he why you can. How can I fuel the fire of discontent more. Nothing really earth shattering. Read like a writer upset cause his subject would give him anything juicy to write about.

Either way. It was our pick. I still believe. In Nolan !!! Lol

 

[wankstifier]

Sums up the irrational whining pretty well

Charlie O'Connor @charlieo_conn 19m
Most Flyers fans: you know what would be cool? If the Flyers finally drafted guys with plus shots that like to shoot Flyers: do that rational fans: hey that's neat! fans who just like to complain: lmao classic Flyers, only going for guys with skating issues, how embarrassing

Bill
Matz
@BILLadelphia1
I want to draft a player who can score on command and also has zero holes in his game and I want him in the mid-20s and if Fletcher’s people can’t get that done then wtf are they doing?

I don't understand this take...

I think the irrational fans who've been screaming for a sniper are happy with this pick. However, they might be unhappy long term since he's not a prototypical sniper.

There are some reasonable complaints about the skating weakness and the emphasis on character that seemed to bump his ranking on the Flyers' board.

 

[The Madrigal]

I don't understand this take...

I think the irrational fans who've been screaming for a sniper are happy with this pick. However, they might be unhappy long term since he's not a prototypical sniper.

There are some reasonable complaints about the skating weakness and the emphasis on character that seemed to bump his ranking on the Flyers' board.

You're missing their point.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If the NHL is anything like the NFL, a good portion of picks aren’t unanimous. It just never gets reported until/unless someone wants it out there.

 

[wankstifier]

You're missing their point.

Elaborate

 

[VladDrag]

"Nolan does have a history of migraines, going back to when he was younger — he had some in minor hockey, in junior hockey. There's a family history, as well." Nolan Patrick will miss season opener after being diagnosed with migraine disorder

As for Nolan Patrick not being a consensus pick among the staff, Meltzer wrote about it around a month ago. He said there was a rising defenseman who had support among the scouting staff. I can't find the link, but I'm sure many here read it.

Thanks - It really doesn't say they knew about it prior to the draft, but I would imagine they had some idea of it.

 

[Adtar02]

Thanks - It really doesn't say they knew about it prior to the draft, but I would imagine they had some idea of it.

I mean it could have been just yeah I had headaches. Got a migraine here or there. Who really knows.

 

[Appleyard]

If the NHL is anything like the NFL, a good portion of picks aren’t unanimous. It just never gets reported until/unless someone wants it out there.

Yep. Exactly.

 

[landsbergfan]

"I am going to sum up the entire fanbase into two separate categories, neither of which capturing the overall view of a draft pick, and then use that as the foundation for a tweet to defend a team that lets me write about them."