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Prospect Info: Round 1, 7th overall: Matvei Michkov, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

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You cannot compare raw scoring from nearly 20 years ago. Michkov wasn't even born when Ovi and Malkin played out their draft years. It wasn't even the same league!

And yes he played on the worst team. That also meant he played a lot. He would not have put up the same points playing for SKA. He played 3 minutes a night for them.
 
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The Rage Kage said:
I watch hockey to see my favourite team win the Stanley Cup. Getting giddy like a child seeing something sparkly while watching the one talented player on the team score meaningless goals in meaningless games is a hollow joy.
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Feel like you could change some words out and make this a sermon against premarital sex.

Creating internal standards for what will constitute excellence in managerial execution is just a way to be smugly pissed forever. Because no one will ever do the precise things that I or you want them to. Everyone is their own idiot, and the idiots won't change with time. So my positioning is:

If you think these people suck and are going to fail at everything anyway, then why would you deny yourself the enjoyment of seeing excellent talent and better hockey because you're concerned that they'd f*** up differently in different circumstances. Everything is useless, right? Why prescribe them ONLY the existing challenge (that you're certain they'll fail to meet) and refuse to give them a different, more entertaining challenge

And the other part of it is that stasis breeds more of itself. So if you want things to change dramatically, then introducing something that legitimate reshapes the team's expectations and needs should be welcomed. If you don't have faith that these people can figure it out (or luck it out) ever, then why extend their window to do that?

Sorry, I don't see any coherence to not wanting the player sooner. I'm typically with consensus here about most things, but I think this "nooooo don't let the really good hockey player be on the teammmmm" stance is just masochist masturbation. It's so deep in everyone's heads that they might not be able to see it, some kind of mental defense against disappointment or something.
 
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Rich Nixon said:
Feel like you could change some words out and make this a sermon against premarital sex.

Creating internal standards for what will constitute excellence in managerial execution is just a way to be smugly pissed forever. Because no one will ever do the precise things that I or you want them to. Everyone is their own idiot, and the idiots won't change with time. So my positioning is:

If you think these people suck and are going to fail at everything anyway, then why would you deny yourself the enjoyment of seeing excellent talent and better hockey because you're concerned that they'd f*** up differently in different circumstances. Everything is useless, right?

And the other part of it is that stasis breeds more of itself. So if you want things to change dramatically, then introducing something that changes the scenario entirely should be encouraged. If you don't have faith that these people can figure it out (or luck it out), then why extend their window to do that?

Sorry, I don't see any coherence to not wanting the player sooner. I'm typically with consensus here about most things, but I think this "nooooo don't let the really good hockey player be on the teammmmm" stance is just masochist masturbation. It's so deep in everyone's heads that they might not be able to see it, some kind of mental defense against disappointment or something.
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Thank you. After my earlier post today about Michkov blowing the doors off in the KHL next season, leading to him coming to the NHL in Fall 2024, I was running through a mental checklist of why that would be okay. (#1. Development from outgrowing the KHL, #2. Not taking for granted that a star player is eager to come here ASAP, #3. Not risking 2 more years of an unknown geopolitical situation)

And #4 is that Michkov coming over is simply the fun, exciting thing to happen. I want to enjoy having a homegrown, highlight reel, oft-discussed, superstar. Not everything needs to be shrouded in misery. As hockey fans, I think we sometimes forget that we are hockey fans.

Besides, Michkov is very likely the franchise already. Him coming over might expedite Tortorella's departure.
 
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Rich Nixon said:
Feel like you could change some words out and make this a sermon against premarital sex.

Creating internal standards for what will constitute excellence in managerial execution is just a way to be smugly pissed forever. Because no one will ever do the precise things that I or you want them to. Everyone is their own idiot, and the idiots won't change with time. So my positioning is:

If you think these people suck and are going to fail at everything anyway, then why would you deny yourself the enjoyment of seeing excellent talent and better hockey because you're concerned that they'd f*** up differently in different circumstances. Everything is useless, right? Why prescribe them ONLY the existing challenge (that you're certain they'll fail to meet) and refuse to give them a different, more entertaining challenge

And the other part of it is that stasis breeds more of itself. So if you want things to change dramatically, then introducing something that legitimate reshapes the team's expectations and needs should be welcomed. If you don't have faith that these people can figure it out (or luck it out) ever, then why extend their window to do that?

Sorry, I don't see any coherence to not wanting the player sooner. I'm typically with consensus here about most things, but I think this "nooooo don't let the really good hockey player be on the teammmmm" stance is just masochist masturbation. It's so deep in everyone's heads that they might not be able to see it, some kind of mental defense against disappointment or something.
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No kink shaming
 
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"I heard that. Listens to nothing... coaches, veterans trying to talk to him, just tells them, 'f*** off'. A guy he played with this year just said, 'this kid, as much as I'm trying to give him a shot is just a piece of shit.
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Seems cool to me. Fine by me that a guy, who can do things that veterans couldn’t even dream of doing, doesn’t give them the time of day.

He’s here to play hockey not school.
 
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Flyerfan13 said:
russianmachineneverbreaks.com

Matvei Michkov’s agent, Sergei Fedotov, says the Russian forward did not want to be drafted by the Capitals

Matvei Michkov did not even want to be drafted by the Washington Capitals, according to his agent Sergei Fedotov. Fedotov made the…
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Google translation.

Sergei Fedotov: “Michkov didn’t want to get into Washington from the word at all - it’s a complete blizzard. There was no desire to be in Arizona​



Sergei Fedotov said that Matvey Michkov did not want to be selected by Washington in the NHL draft.

The forward was drafted by Philadelphia .

“Two days [before the draft] I got a call from Anaheim scout Konstantin Krylov. Our most legendary scout of NHL clubs . They had a video conference. Anaheim seriously considered Matvey Michkov .

All incoming factors, which, of course, were objective, influenced the rating somewhere.
But those negotiations that Maxim Moliver (Matvey Michkov's agent in the NHL) had with Philadelphia, and the desire of Matvey himself - everything came together in this club.
The city, the region, the contract with SKA, the very desire of the player - everything came together.

Yes, there was no desire to be in Arizona. There wasn't at all. I told the author of this idea, some kind of insider, that this was specially started so that Matvey Michkov got into Washington.
Matvey Michkov did not want to get into Washington. From the word at all. This desire was mutual. I understand that it is beautiful.
I did not refute, I do not have a telegram channel - that this is a complete blizzard. But this is a complete blizzard.
This is such a journalistic job, when a person himself came up with it, he himself passed it off as some kind of insider, and everyone is like that - in!
I was asked if Matvey regrets that he did not get into Washington. I'm smiling. He didn't want to go to Washington. From the word at all.
“Arizona” and “ Washington ” are two clubs that are definitely ... For different reasons, ”said the representative of the hockey player in Russia and a former scout of the Russian national team, Sergei Fedotov.
 
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One part of this equation is that if the Flyers are fast-tracking their re-thing, they should be pushing as many of their top prospects into leading roles to find out who will be of immediate help. What is the use playing veterans for a year in the hope they could get a 3rd-4th round pick for him at the TDL?
 
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Striiker said:
1) no clue if it’s even true. We have no proof, we have no idea.

2) don’t care if it is. Not the end of the world, plus he’s still a kid.

3) MJ was a notorious ass. Worked out fine for him because he could back it up. If Michkov is as good as he has the potential to be…
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I don’t see him having a target team a bad thing. It worked out for both sides. The guys wants to come to Philly and win a cup here. That’s as good as some kid who grew up a Flyer fan.
 
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I don’t see him having a target team a bad thing. It worked out for both sides. The guys wants to come to Philly and win a cup here. That’s as good as some kid who grew up a Flyer fan.
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I was referring to the other rumor about him being disrespectful to teammates.

I have zero problem with him being picky about what team he wanted to be drafted by. It’s understandable that someone would want to make sure they end up somewhere good if they’re leaving their home to go halfway around the world.
 
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Jagr and Lindros are good precedents

Some of those translations in the article are very weird. What the hell is the blizzard supposed to mean? Is it talking about chaos? Smokescreens?
 
Do you trust him?
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I wouldn't
 
FLYguy3911 said:
You cannot compare raw scoring from nearly 20 years ago. Michkov wasn't even born when Ovi and Malkin played out their draft years. It wasn't even the same league!

And yes he played on the worst team. That also meant he played a lot. He would not have put up the same points playing for SKA. He played 3 minutes a night for them.
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What were Ovechkin/Malkin/Tarasenko's draft year situations like, re: ice time and opportunity?

Yeah Michkov had lots of opportunity, but he also didn't have much firepower to work with. He was immediately and very clearly the best player on the team. I think 17 of his 20 points were even strength? His shooting percentage was abnormally low for him. Say what you will about the statistic, but his plus/minus was +1 on a team full of -15 to -20 players
 
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