Prospect Info: Round 1, 7th overall: Matvei Michkov, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[Striiker]

4chan says hello

I wouldn’t count that as “mainstream”.

It’s infamous but not something most people use or are familiar with.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Are any of the main hockey reporters/insiders on there yet?

I know Friedman and Seravalli are there but not sure otherwise

JFresh Hockey is one there though, so that makes my heart happy.

Thread just hit 50 million users, so I think it's fair to say it's a legitimate Twitter alternative.

 

[ajgoal]

The worst is HFboards.

There is only one likeable person there.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Guys.. this is a bit ridiculous. Is there a single team in the NHL who wouldn't want their new franchise player to come earlier than 3 years? Chicago pulled the tank of all tanks, and they just traded for Taylor Hall to play with their new superstar. The other thing is that maybe they want to play Michkov with TK somehow, and on the PP with Sanheim, so that he can boost both of their trade values to all time highs, and acquire more assets than they ever would have by tanking. You still have to win the damn lottery to get the generational guy, if there even is one. In half the drafts, the 1st overall guy doesn't even end up being the best player. If TK scores 100 points in his 27 y/o season you could sell him for a god damn haul

 

[Danko]

Don't want Michkov to be corrupted by our player development system...let him stay on his current trajectory untainted by our turn a guy into a bottom 6 pk specialist system.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Guys.. this is a bit ridiculous. Is there a single team in the NHL who wouldn't want their new franchise player to come earlier than 3 years? Chicago pulled the tank of all tanks, and they just traded for Taylor Hall to play with their new superstar. The other thing is that maybe they want to play Michkov with TK somehow, and on the PP with Sanheim, so that he can boost both of their trade values to all time highs, and acquire more assets than they ever would have by tanking. You still have to win the damn lottery to get the generational guy, if there even is one. In half the drafts, the 1st overall guy doesn't even end up being the best player. If TK scores 100 points in his 27 y/o season you could sell him for a god damn haul

Because we're burning ELC years for no reason. We're not going to win anything until we start selling off pieces and drafting more.

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

Because we're burning ELC years for no reason. We're not going to win anything until we start selling off pieces and drafting more.

You mean "Super Risto" is not the modern Derian Hatcher + Scott Niedermayer clone?

 

[User9992]

Michkov isn't very NHL ready right now. He lacks physicallity & maturaty. But he has elite skills & IQ already. He needs another 2 years to become NHL 1'st line forward.

He will come to NHL as way better player than he is right now & will be actually ready to play in NHL.

 

[Redpath]

Unless Michkov is a PPG+ in the KHL this upcoming season and is already pushing his limits in Russia, there shouldn't be any rush to get him over to the NHL before Fall 2024.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

There is only one likeable person there.

its me right ?

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Unless Michkov is a PPG+ in the KHL this upcoming season and is already pushing his limits in Russia, there shouldn't be any rush to get him over to the NHL before Fall 2024.

Ovechkin and Malkin weren’t ppg in the KHL it’s a defensive league, his ppg right now is better than both of those guys at the same age in the KHL on the worst team in the league lol. He would come into the NHL next year and score 70+ points and be the Flyers best offensive player immediately.

 

[Random Forest]

Guys.. this is a bit ridiculous. Is there a single team in the NHL who wouldn't want their new franchise player to come earlier than 3 years? Chicago pulled the tank of all tanks, and they just traded for Taylor Hall to play with their new superstar. The other thing is that maybe they want to play Michkov with TK somehow, and on the PP with Sanheim, so that he can boost both of their trade values to all time highs, and acquire more assets than they ever would have by tanking. You still have to win the damn lottery to get the generational guy, if there even is one. In half the drafts, the 1st overall guy doesn't even end up being the best player. If TK scores 100 points in his 27 y/o season you could sell him for a god damn haul

It’s also not obvious to me that his development will actually be benefitted in Russia. I get the skepticism of the Flyers’ player development… I do not have the same apparent trust that people have of St. Petersburg’s player development.

 

[Redpath]

Ovechkin and Malkin weren’t ppg in the KHL it’s a defensive league, his ppg right now is better than both of those guys at the same age in the KHL on the worst team in the league lol. He would come into the NHL next year and score 70+ points and be the Flyers best offensive player immediately.

That is sort of my point. Since the KHL formed, there has never been a D+1 PPG player (min 5gp). Unless Michkov is unprecedentedly destroying the KHL for his age group, then I don't see any reason to rush him to the NHL.

Not so fun fact: Yakupov and Tolvanen have the two best D+1 KHL PPGs ever, min 5gp. Hopefully that is not an omen.

 

[Striiker]

We don’t have a 1C or 1D of the future, or even anyone with a tiny chance of becoming one.

We desperately need more high draft picks before he comes over.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

We don’t have a 1C or 1D of the future, or even anyone with a tiny chance of becoming one.

We desperately need more high draft picks before he comes over.

Yeah, hopefully we lose every game next year secure a top 2 pick and strike gold on a center or d man.

 

[Striiker]

Yeah, hopefully we lose every game next year secure a top 2 pick and strike gold on a center or d man.

I want them to lose every single game just to see Tortorella’s head explode.

His happiness is inversely proportional to mine.

Plus, that would crush their delusional dreams that this is a 2-3 year “rebuild”.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The important thing to remember with these overseas pro leagues as well is a viable pathway to meaningful opportunities in terms of ice time/usage. Some times that can over or under sell a player’s true performance.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That is sort of my point. Since the KHL formed, there has never been a D+1 PPG player (min 5gp). Unless Michkov is unprecedentedly destroying the KHL for his age group, then I don't see any reason to rush him to the NHL.

Not so fun fact: Yakupov and Tolvanen have the two best D+1 KHL PPGs ever, min 5gp. Hopefully that is not an omen.

Yakupov is precisely who I've pondered when deciding I want MM to keep doing what he's been doing instead of figuring out if he's supposed to finish the job Tortorella's horse started.

Now there's an aggressive power to MM's game that I don't remember from Yakupov, but still. Take no chance.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s also not obvious to me that his development will actually be benefitted in Russia. I get the skepticism of the Flyers’ player development… I do not have the same apparent trust that people have of St. Petersburg’s player development.

I know that I trust the Flyers and Tortorella less, and that'll do for me.

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Random Forest

Daniel Bochner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Decided to dig into who is even doing the development there, and yeah I'm taking this guy over Armstrong, Schultz, Morin, Stewart, and Kapanen. That's a professional development guy and the rest are hobbyists.

 

[Striiker]

Decided to dig into who is even doing the development there, and yeah I'm taking this guy over Armstrong, Schultz, Morin, Stewart, and Kapanen. That's a professional development guy and the rest are hobbyists.

Don’t forget Sharp!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don’t know if you’ve ever gone on the Flyers subreddit but the worst users on here are the majority there.

I’ll die on the “Reddit is the worst mainstream/legal website” hill.

Everything on the main page and everything in subs with huge amounts of followers is a vomit-based Rorschach test on a screen. But there are smaller communities that have answers to questions you can’t find other places. And even genuinely nice people sometimes.

The thing is that Facebook (and Threads) gives you an algorithm-based feed, so it’s by definition worse. At least you’re in control of the subreddits you see.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Guys.. this is a bit ridiculous. Is there a single team in the NHL who wouldn't want their new franchise player to come earlier than 3 years?

Yeah I don't know about the rest of yer post but I agree with this.

f*** the coaches and the franchise, whatever. I watch hockey to see real good hockey players. This is a real good hockey player. I don't think about ELC years and contract flexibility when I am watching a hockey game.

Not only am I skeptical that playing for a KHL team will develop him into a better NHL player than playing on a shitty NHL team, I'm also just wary of leaving the high-value player in the volatile war-and-mafia country for longer than necessary. Like if I can watch him play hockey for my hockey team, and know that he has a safe f***ing condo in Southeastern Pennsylvania, I'll be happier.

The execs either figure out how to build the team or they don't. If you're convinced they're hapless f***ing idiots, then you've got to grant they'll be that in 2024 all the same as they will be in 2026, but having that long before their gem of a draft pick debuts probably lengthens their leashes. Those suspected idiots have more pressure on them if they have a serious star on the ice than if they have one in their pocket. So if we're all just playing our fears and fantasies, who is to say that having a player who creates expectations won't then shorten the bozos' leashes?

The player is good enough that he might be able to get a coach fired if he so pleases, too, so there's that. Who knows.

I like to talk about franchise-building and personnel moves and all that, but at the end of the day I am a hockey fan because I like to watch hockey. Also, just for good measure: one more f***.

 

[Striiker]

Everything on the main page and everything in subs with huge amounts of followers is a vomit-based Rorschach test on a screen. But there are smaller communities that have answers to questions you can’t find other places. And even genuinely nice people sometimes.

The thing is that Facebook (and Threads) gives you an algorithm-based feed, so it’s by definition worse. At least you’re in control of the subreddits you see.

I’ve never even made a Facebook or TikTok account. Avoid that shit like the plague. Used to use Reddit a long time ago before I realized how bad it was, then immediately bailed.

Now I only use Twitter in a very controlled and careful way. I never tweet, I just follow a few carefully selected accounts and it serves my needs perfectly.

I’m sure you’re right about Reddit having small helpful communities, since there’s an exception to almost every rule, but those are not the types of topics I’m typically looking at so that’s definitely not the experience I’ve had there. Basically anything I’m interested in is decently popular (sports, video games, movies/TV, etc), meaning the subreddits are overrun by circlejerking hivemind morons.

 

[The Rage Kage]

I watch hockey to see my favourite team win the Stanley Cup. Getting giddy like a child seeing something sparkly while watching the one talented player on the team score meaningless goals in meaningless games is a hollow joy.