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04hockey said:
this writer "gets it" ..... Fletch shipped out the toads, hopefully the new players/team gel

Chuck Fletcher: Flyers' unacceptable season 'took years off my life' (phillyhockeynow.com)

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The team was stale. The players seemed miserable and jaded. That stuff doesn't show up on spreadsheets, but it's very real. Shipping out malcontents, revamping the personality of the locker room, and bringing excitement and motivation back to the players should pay significant dividends for this team entering the new season.
 
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KrazyKat said:
So this look accurate to what we are going to be watching?

Giroux-Couturier-Farabee
JVR-Hayes-Atkinson
Laughton-Frost-Konecny
Lindblom-Brassard-Allison
(Thompson) (Lasczynski)

Provorov-Ellis
Sanheim-Braun
Yandle-Ristolainen
(Morin) (York)

Hart
Jones
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Farabee is a left wing. Couturier is the top center on the team and should have the top wingers. Giroux is not the best LW.

Farabee-Couturier-Konecny
JVR/Giroux-Hayes-Atkinson
JVR/Giroux-Laughton-Allison
Lindbl0m-Brassard-NAK
 
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Ghosts Beer said:
The team was stale. The players seemed miserable and jaded. That stuff doesn't show up on spreadsheets, but it's very real. Shipping out malcontents, revamping the personality of the locker room, and bringing excitement and motivation back to the players should pay significant dividends for this team entering the new season.
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And when the results are the same as ever because the quality of the roster and coaching hasnt improved overall?
 
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bobbythebrain said:
Too many closed door meetings for captain G I'm afraid.

This season is definitely gonna be the determining factor.

G is far from guaranteed to come back imo
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I don't think this season will be a determining factor as far as what output Giroux has but do think it will if the team fails and finishes poorly, which is possible. Then they will have to look at what is the best path forward and that might be not to resign him.
I don't see the Flyers as Cup contenders in the near future,esp in a very tough, competitive division. If Giroux wants a better shot as a CUp, which as he is nearing the end of a career, it might be better for him to sign/trade to a top team. That would be hard for him, as he has spend his entire career here and that is emotionally difficult to separate. But sometimes you need a head over heart decision.

I think Fletcher's decision not to resign him now, is tied to that. As are his guarded comments, which would lend itself to both sides, sign or move.

Flyers, Giroux won't talk extension until after upcoming season

"I think we're both comfortable with that," Fletcher added. "Claude's our captain, he's a great player, and I anticipate that we'll find a way to continue that relationship going forward, but right now I think what we'll do is we'll just get through the season and we'll look at the situation and see where he's at, see where we're at, and we'll do what's best for everybody."
 
deeshamrock said:
Farabee is a left wing. Couturier is the top center on the team and should have the top wingers. Giroux is not the best LW.

Farabee-Couturier-Konecky
JVR/Giroux-Hayes-Atkinson
JVR/Giroux-Laughton-Allison
Lindbl0m-Brassard-NAK
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Farabee played RW last season.
 
Beef Invictus said:
And when the results are the same as ever because the quality of the roster and coaching hasnt improved overall?
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What is the "same as ever"? The coaching staff has only had 2 seasons so far. In AV's first season they won their first playoff round in 9 years, so that wasn't the same as ever.

Last season was a disaster all around, but I see no reason to believe the results this season will be the same as last season. More likely they equal or better two seasons ago. I completely disagree that the quality of the roster hasn't improved. Even ignoring everything else, Ryan Ellis is a substantial improvement to the defense over last season.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
And when the results are the same as ever because the quality of the roster hasnt improved overall?
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It's not just the quality of the roster ,its the significant lack of leadership at the top that has haunted this team for years. Homer should not be changing offices, he should have been gone years ago,he's an awful judge of talent and lacks the foresight needed. As long as he's riding a chair upstairs, his 'vision' and decisions will hurt them, like hiring Fletcher (who cut his teeth at his first NHL job wit hClarke and homer and thinks too much like them) who then made the mistake of hiring AV.

The fact that last year, there were articles saying that that front office (which also includes Scott and whoever else at comcast has a say) thinks this team is in a 'win now' (which they aren't) position and put pressure on 'moves', is disturbing. That is what causes rash decisions.

You build a chamption ,you don't buy one. Hextall had the right idea, turning a wasteland of a farm system into a fairly fertile valley again, but had flaws (Haks should have never been hired and should have been fired by him, sooner , for one ) and that and his 'my way or the highway' attitude cost him his job.

Moving out youth for veteran players works sometimes if the team is very close to a Cup shot, but is generally a quick fix attempt that fails.

THere is no vision, no path, no plan for building a good team the right way .
 
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This team is certainly in position to compete for a Cup if Hart gets his mojo back. 2020 playoff Hart is a top five goalie, and the rest of the team is well above average - name all the teams that can match this team's forward depth. Defense is a question, but with Ellis, Provorov and Sanheim, it should be at least average, and if they get anything from Risto or York, above average.

The key is getting back to the intensity they showed in spring 2020 when they rolled four lines, skated hard every shift and just wore teams down. They lost it over the four month break and last season was a clusterf---k. But this group is more talented than two years ago, just got to regain that spark.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
What is the "same as ever"? The coaching staff has only had 2 seasons so far. In AV's first season they won their first playoff round in 9 years, so that wasn't the same as ever.

Last season was a disaster all around, but I see no reason to believe the results this season will be the same as last season. More likely they equal or better two seasons ago. I completely disagree that the quality of the roster hasn't improved. Even ignoring everything else, Ryan Ellis is a substantial improvement to the defense over last season.
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Oh boy another playoff exit where they are outplayed because of terrible coaching coming right up! Same song and dance as ever.

Nothing about this team that actually matters has changed.

Ellis is the only clear and obvious upgrade, and he's completely undone by Risto and Yandle who are downgrades. As ever the team never moved forward. Which isnt surprising because that's how Fletcher always works
 
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deeshamrock said:
Yes he did but he is a LW by position and when playing with Konecky and Couturier , created a dynamic line with speed and skill.
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I don't even recall that ever being a line.

He played most of last season with

JVR - Couturier - Farabee

Season before he played a lot with

Laughton - Hayes - Farabee

99% sure he'll once again be on the RW this season considering we have Giroux, JVR, Lindblom, and most likely Laughton on the LW.
 
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They weren't the same team in the bubble, and it wasn't due to coaching, I think the coaching was determined by the team's inability to skate the way they did in the spring. I think spring 2020 is what they're trying to regain, which is why they put the emphasis on forward depth, if you don't have a transcendent superstar or two, you have to win with a team effort.

The advantage of Brassard is now you're twelve deep without depending on a bunch of kids performing, that's what killed them in 2020, Frost, Bunnaman, Twarynski, Vorobyev all were unable to rise to the occasion, whereas St Louis got good play from Thomas and Blais and Barbashev, Pittsburgh from Sheary, Rust and Kuhnhuckl, and the next season Guentzel and Wilson, Washington from Stephenson, Vrana and Burakovsky.

TB didn't depend on kids to fill out their playoff roster, T Johnson (29), Maroon (31), Paquette (26) were their bottom forwards and L Schenn as a 7th D-man.

Locks (10): G, Couts, TK, JVR, Hayes, Atkinson, Farabee, Laughton, Lindblom, Allison
Fighting for the last two spots: Frost, Brassard, NAK, Laczynski, Thompson, Bunnaman, J Cates
Possible LHV callups: Foerster, Wisdom (depending on his return from surgery), Ratcliffe, Rubtsov

Frost has the inside track for 3C, it's his to lose. But if he can't hold the job, he'll go to LHV to center their first line and play 20 minutes a night.
Brassard will play on the 4th line. 10-12 minutes a night. Too many better forwards for the top nine.
NAK and Laczysnki will have to earn their PT. NAK is potential trade bait. Wisdom may take his job next year in any case.
Thompson will probably be the designated press box guy with Bunnaman and Cates in LHV.
 
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From Boomers season preview on Sirius XM
Flhr joined them and basically said ‘it will be up to Frost and York if they make the team. Fletcher wanted to have a lot of competition for the spots on the roster. ‘
This isn’t a bad thing if the vets over 35 stop getting 50% credit. But it seems like the kids are not going to be there to start. I hope I am wrong
Another segment was a painful reminder:
15…the number of games we let up 5 goals or more. In a shortened 50+ game season. Several times 8 goals and the 9 goal game. That’s unacceptable. I don’t see how all of the coaches made it through. To me, you fire MT, trade Jake, get Ellis or equivalent, and make a serious run at Eichel.
I still think Eichel needs to happen. You aren’t winning anything with an aging Hayes as your 2C. If Frost is a great 2C then we are ok.
 
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Hayes is 29, same as Couts, and like Couts, depends more on his big body than speed.
He was off to a great start last year before the sports hernia.
 
kudymen said:
The team inevitably regressing to the mean will lead to lots of patting themselves on the backs and hate directed at Voráček or Patrick.
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If nothing else, just getting NHL average goaltending would get this team an additional 10 or more points. I fully expect the Flyers to be right around 100-105 points and a playoff team. We’ll then be subjected to countless ball washing diatribes on the brilliance of Fletcher and AV and how last season’s debacle was due to the poor play of Jake and Ghost.

And, when they go out in the first round or, best case, the second, AV will find countless explanations for their failure. None of those reasons will involve coaching.

Fletcher hasn’t built a team with the goal of winning a Stanley Cup. Rather he’s built a team with the goal of saving his job.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
And when the results are the same as ever because the quality of the roster and coaching hasnt improved overall?
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Uh, if this team gets average to above average goaltending, ends up with 100+ points and gets to at least the 2nd rd, that's a damn good season and the basis for a cup contender, maybe people forget that's what Trotz did for three seasons in Washington before he won a Cup. The key to winning a Cup is start every season for 4-5 years as a top 4/8 team, and one of those seasons hopefully the stars will align and the Hockey Gods will smile upon you.

Given that they have more talent on the way the next couple years, Couts locked up, and the only FAs next summer are G and Risto (you worried about losing Braun, Yandle, Brassard or Thompson?), a solid season this year sets them up for a long run (with Ersson on the horizon as Hart insurance).

It's the litmus test for AV, either he gets them to that next level or the next HC will do so.
 
BiggE said:
If nothing else, just getting NHL average goaltending would get this team an additional 10 or more points. I fully expect the Flyers to be right around 100-105 points and a playoff team. We’ll then be subjected to countless ball washing diatribes on the brilliance of Fletcher and AV and how last season’s debacle was due to the poor play of Jake and Ghost.

And, when they go out in the first round or, best case, the second, AV will find countless explanations for their failure. None of those reasons will involve coaching.

Fletcher hasn’t built a team with the goal of winning a Stanley Cup. Rather he’s built a team with the goal of saving his job.
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He'll save his job annually, and no more, until the cost of doing so makes the whole thing crash down.

I'm interested in seeing better than that.
 
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