Roster Moves: Roster Thread Talk 2021: it never ends

[Rebels57]

Considering how much misery we might deal with DURING the season, I don't see the point in being this miserable before the season (regardless of the moves that were made). That's just me and how I approach it for my own mental health though.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Doesn't matter. If the team and D play better, Giroux and Couturier will be given all the credit anyways

What? In? The? World?

Nope!

Hayes will get all the credit and his boygroup of old friends

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Considering how much misery we might deal with DURING the season, I don't see the point in being this miserable before the season (regardless of the moves that were made). That's just me and how I approach it for my own mental health though.

I know exactly what you say. But my brain isnt able to accept what will be our lineup...

 

[bennysflyers16]

Considering how much misery we might deal with DURING the season, I don't see the point in being this miserable before the season (regardless of the moves that were made). That's just me and how I approach it for my own mental health though.

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[renberg]

What? In? The? World?

Nope!

Hayes will get all the credit and his boygroup of old friends

Hayes and his boy group of old friends had better produce or they’re going to wish that they never came here. There’s already a negative in their court in that they are in the way of younger players being groomed to come to the front with their play. It really is a lose-lose situation with them. If these old guys beat out the younger players, then the drafts were poor and indefensible. If they get beat out by the younger guys, then what was the point in signing them?

 

[deadhead]

Hayes and his boy group of old friends had better produce or they’re going to wish that they never came here. There’s already a negative in their court in that they are in the way of younger players being groomed to come to the front with their play. It really is a lose-lose situation with them. If these old guys beat out the younger players, then the drafts were poor and indefensible. If they get beat out by the younger guys, then what was the point in signing them?

Why do people here repeat a myth over and over?

The only young players who might be blocked by Brassard are NAK and Laczynski, who may not even be able to play the first half of the season. Right now both are 4th line players. Bunnaman and Cates were unlikely to make the team in any case, and wouldn't be the 13th forward sitting in the press box.

The only young players blocked by Yandle are York, Zamula and Hogberg, the first two are 20 and 21 and lost close to a full season of development to COVID, and Hogberg struggled transitioning to NA hockey last year. All three can work their way to Philly simply by doing what other young prospects did (Sanheim, Myers, Farabee, Allison), dominate the AHL.

Braun, Yandle, Brassard and Thompson are all on one year deals.
Atkinson simply replaced Voracek.
Ellis is the only "old" player that "blocks" anyone, and he's a legitimate 1st pair player.

I mean if you're really paranoid about older veterans blocking prospects, we should let Giroux walk after this season?

 

[Starat327]

Lol

 

[TCTC]

Hayes and his boy group of old friends had better produce or they’re going to wish that they never came here. There’s already a negative in their court in that they are in the way of younger players being groomed to come to the front with their play. It really is a lose-lose situation with them. If these old guys beat out the younger players, then the drafts were poor and indefensible. If they get beat out by the younger guys, then what was the point in signing them?

I rather have a deep lineup than free spots for young players. For years we were complaining about lack of depth. Now we have depth. We should be relieved.
Personally, I couldn't care less whether a 30+ year old or a 20 year old plays as long as we win games.

 

[renberg]

DH, what you don’t get is that some people see Frost at 3C with potential growth as a player. How does a 34 year old Brassard trump that? The same goes with Thompson. Some of us would rather see a 24 year old Laczynski, who has four solid years of NCAA play under his belt and showed that he was beyond AHL level, playing ahead of a 35 year old washed up Thompson who has zero left in the tank. The situation with Yandle is similar. Give that ice time to York and Zamula and develop them. Yandle and defense don’t belong in the same sentence. He’s Gustafson bad.
Taking the negative side of things and expecting young players to fail is a losers’ position. These guys were drafted because they have skills. Develop and utilize them. If the Flyers can’t do that, then either their scouts suck or their coaches do. Other teams bring on younger players and they succeed. Why can’t the Flyers? And BTW, with the Flyers we’re talking about 24 year olds here not 18.

 

[Beef Invictus]

DH, what you don’t get is that some people see Frost at 3C with potential growth as a player. How does a 34 year old Brassard trump that? The same goes with Thompson. Some of us would rather see a 24 year old Laczynski, who has four solid years of NCAA play under his belt and showed that he was beyond AHL level, playing ahead of a 35 year old washed up Thompson who has zero left in the tank. The situation with Yandle is similar. Give that ice time to York and Zamula and develop them. Yandle and defense don’t belong in the same sentence. He’s Gustafson bad.
Taking the negative side of things and expecting young players to fail is a losers’ position. These guys were drafted because they have skills. Develop and utilize them. If the Flyers can’t do that, then either their scouts suck or their coaches do. Other teams bring on younger players and they succeed. Why can’t the Flyers? And BTW, with the Flyers we’re talking about 24 year olds here not 18.

Either use the picks and prospects, or use them to bring in good players.

The Flyers goal is to do neither.

 

[deadhead]

Frost isn't competing with Brassard or Thompson. If he's as good as he's supposed to be, with two years to get stronger and understand his defensive responsibilities, then he should easily win the 3C job in camp. If he isn't that good, Laughton will be the 3C.

Laczynski, if healthy, will play ahead of Thompson, but he won't be parked in the press box if he can't beat out NAK for the 12th forward slot. That's a waste of time for a prospect, rather have him play big minutes at LHV and be available for the inevitable injury call up.

It's not a matter of expecting young players to fail, it's a matter of not giving them jobs, we've seen a number of players go to LHV and tear up the AHL and play well when they were recalled (Sanheim, Myers, Farabee, Allison), we've seen a number of players with meh AHL seasons and then fall short in the NHL (Kase, Bunnaman, Twarynski). Playing well in the AHL is not a guarantee of NHL success, but it's certainly a good indicator that a player may be ready for promotion.

Realistically, what are the odds that the 18 guys on the opening day roster make it through a season without injuries. In that case, every young player should be ready to "Wally Pipp" a starter. That's how most of the top teams deal with promoting prospects.

 

[flyerslducks]

ideal scenario is to have frost win 3c right out of camp, brassard play well enough so that he can be the 4c and role a bottom 6 of this:

laughton-frost-atkinson
lindblom-brassard-allison

i don't give a crap if lazcynski or nak doesn't play if our bottom6 is that tbh. Allison>nak and we cant have them both with our current wing depth but they can alternate if need be

 

[BiggE]

Lol

Yeah, like AV will never dress Nate....

 

[flyerslducks]

DH i dont get what you are saying with that first statement...frost is certainly competing with brassard/thomspon for a center spot right now. The signings of Thompson and brassard made it so that laughton doesn't have to be a center when the roster is healthy so he will not be the 3c.

when healthy the 3c is either frost or brassard.
4c is Thompson, lazcynski, or brassard (if frost beats out his competition)

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost isn't competing with Brassard or Thompson. If he's as good as he's supposed to be, with two years to get stronger and understand his defensive responsibilities, then he should easily win the 3C job in camp. If he isn't that good, Laughton will be the 3C.

Laczynski, if healthy, will play ahead of Thompson, but he won't be parked in the press box if he can't beat out NAK for the 12th forward slot. That's a waste of time for a prospect, rather have him play big minutes at LHV and be available for the inevitable injury call up.

It's not a matter of expecting young players to fail, it's a matter of not giving them jobs, we've seen a number of players go to LHV and tear up the AHL and play well when they were recalled (Sanheim, Myers, Farabee, Allison), we've seen a number of players with meh AHL seasons and then fall short in the NHL (Kase, Bunnaman, Twarynski). Playing well in the AHL is not a guarantee of NHL success, but it's certainly a good indicator that a player may be ready for promotion.

Realistically, what are the odds that the 18 guys on the opening day roster make it through a season without injuries. In that case, every young player should be ready to "Wally Pipp" a starter. That's how most of the top teams deal with promoting prospects.

You're right, he isn't competing. It's already decided that neither spot is his. The team isn't run on merit.

 

[flyerslducks]

You're right, he isn't competing. It's already decided that neither spot is his. The team isn't run on merit.

i just don't get that statement lol. fletch literally said he wants there to be competition for those bottom 6 spots lol. Just have to pray frost wins 3c and brassard gets 4c. I cant see them playing lazcysnki over BOTH thompson and brassard for 4c sadly. But if brassard is the 4c I will take it over thompson, he can actually be useful

 

[TCTC]

i just don't get that statement lol. fletch literally said he wants there to be competition for those bottom 6 spots lol

Is competition a bad thing? Would people rather have Frost as our only option? What if he gets hurt again?

 

[Beef Invictus]

i just don't get that statement lol. fletch literally said he wants there to be competition for those bottom 6 spots lol

AV has his favorite little toys. Whatever Fletch may want, Frost is winning a spot out the gate only if one of the veterans is truly terrible and he is too good to ignore.

 

[flyerslducks]

Is competition a bad thing? Would people rather have Frost as our only option? What if he gets hurt again?

i never said it was bad but stating that what he said is wrong because there is competition for frost. As long as Thompson isn't on the roster, I will be happy. We absolutely cannot have thompson play more than 80% of this season as our 4c. We have 3 better options in lazcysnki/brassard/laughton for 4c.

 

[flyerslducks]

AV has his favorite little toys. Whatever Fletch may want, Frost is winning a spot out the gate only if one of the veterans is truly terrible and he is too good to ignore.

ya as of right now Brassard is sketched in at 3c, Thompson at 4c in my eyes (and for sure AV POV). Frost can change that completely and push thompson out. Lets all pray to the hockey gods lmao

 

[Tripod]

Considering how much misery we might deal with DURING the season, I don't see the point in being this miserable before the season (regardless of the moves that were made). That's just me and how I approach it for my own mental health though.

That's why I have taken lots of breaks from this place. Mostly the same shit everyday from the same people.....so I will do the same:

Still winning the division

 

[TCTC]

i never said it was bad but stating that what he said is wrong because there is competition for frost. As long as Thompson isn't on the roster, I will be happy. We absolutely cannot have thompson play more than 80% of this season as our 4c. We have 3 better options in lazcysnki/brassard/laughton for 4c.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brassard is planned as a winger. He said himself he sees himself more as a winger now. He could be the Raffl replacement.
Thompson will get his games. I think that's inevitable. But I don't think he'll play more than 80% of the season. More like 50% probably.

 

[deadhead]

Frost was behind Patrick last year for the 3C spot, then got hurt when he got a chance to play.
AV played plenty of young players in New York, and he's played Farabee and Patrick here.

Frost is 22, there is no reason he shouldn't win the 3C job and be a 30-40 points ES scorer and work his way onto PP2. It's not like two years ago when he was a 20 year old rookie with no pro experience. It's up to him to seize the opportunity.

If Frost can solidify the 3C spot, it makes life much easier for AV, now he can move Laughton and Brassard around as needed.

As far as Laczynski, what has he done to merit a guaranteed spot? Allison had a great 14 game cameo, Laczynski had 5 games where he didn't look out of place but didn't look special, either. NAK and Bunnaman were two of our worst forwards last season.

Laczynski, NAK, Bunnaman shouldn't be given a spot. they need to earn it.
I think Thompson won't play more than 20-30 games and will be scratched for the playoffs.
But it's up to the kids to bury him.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

i just don't get that statement lol. fletch literally said he wants there to be competition for those bottom 6 spots lol. Just have to pray frost wins 3c and brassard gets 4c. I cant see them playing lazcysnki over BOTH thompson and brassard for 4c sadly. But if brassard is the 4c I will take it over thompson, he can actually be useful

and AV has his own agenda .

your fooling yourself if you think youth will play over freshly signed vets on a AV team.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Considering how much misery we might deal with DURING the season, I don't see the point in being this miserable before the season (regardless of the moves that were made). That's just me and how I approach it for my own mental health though.