Roster Moves: Roster Thread Talk 2021: it never ends

[Beef Invictus]

seriously, what your fixation with frost? like what makes him so special that he's the next sid the kid?

Please quote any post that has claimed Frost is the next Crosby. Thanks.

 

[kudymen]

If frost was scoring goals like ovi throughout the whole season he would be here, av would be playing him now. You mad that ghost might be gone. i have doubts about this team winning the cup because the top players have to freaking step up, which they havent since 2012 and i know it will not happen not with this group. if he makes no moves im expecting a down year. We have av for five years, so deal with it

#Authenticbot v 0.83

(authenticbot really shows how history helps read (and even predict) future, eh)

 

[tucson83]

Not one poster here is saying anything like that. We all think he can be a solid middle 6 center. More Thompson or brassard wil ever be in the next 3 years. If he can develop good he can be a 2nd line center. Never said someone something like you pretend. So whats the deal here?

yes you are, because you want him playing over every vet like he's a special player and it's all you talk about frost this, frost that like he's going to be a superstar. if you really think frost is a bottom 6 player, why are you so desperate for chuck to play him over every vet?

 

[kudymen]

I cant believe @Beef Invictus just claimed that WWIII > WWII. I totally believe I read him say that

 

[Starat327]

Please quote any post that has claimed Frost is the next Crosby. Thanks.

Don't wait, we'll be here for a while.

 

[deadhead]

I remember when this was said about Thompson and Stewart. It was wrong then, it's wrong now. Both those bums being outplayed didn't budge them from the roster.

Who did Stewart block? No one.
Who did Thompson block? No one.

NAK was sent down when he lost in camp to Twarynski and Bunnaman, and brought up and played WITH Stewart. However, Farabee and Kase were promoted before NAK, showing the problem was NAK.

Frost was sent down two weeks before they traded for Thompson and Grant, so the problem was Frost, he was replaced in the lineup by Bunnaman. As we saw last season, Bunnaman's nice 2019-20 metrics were an artifact of usage, and not a predictor of good play. He was an offensive black hole.

Friedman? Ex post there was some things going on behind the scenes and he wasn't good enough for them to overlook that - there was some bad blood with other Flyer players.

Young players bench themselves, then they scramble to find a veteran to fill the hole, not the other way around.
If Frost plays the way we hope he does, he's not sitting for Thompson or Brassard.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who did Stewart block? No one.
Who did Thompson block? No one.

NAK was sent down when he lost in camp to Twarynski and Bunnaman, and brought up and played WITH Stewart. However, Farabee and Kase were promoted before NAK, showing the problem was NAK.

Frost was sent down two weeks before they traded for Thompson and Grant, so the problem was Frost, he was replaced in the lineup by Bunnaman. As we saw last season, Bunnaman's nice 2019-20 metrics were an artifact of usage, and not a predictor of good play. He was an offensive black hole.

Friedman? Ex post there was some things going on behind the scenes and he wasn't good enough for them to overlook that - there was some bad blood with other Flyer players.

Young players bench themselves, then they scramble to find a veteran to fill the hole, not the other way around.
If Frost plays the way we hope he does, he's not sitting for Thompson or Brassard.

You're.just ignoring what played out.

Thompson blocked Frost. When Stewart was given the last roster slot, competition was between him and NAK directly for the same slot. Not with Twar and Bunnaman, especially since Buns plays a different position. Oh, and the assessment of Twar over NAK was suspect too, so it doesn't exactly cover AV and Chuck in glory.

Young players don't bench themselves. Coaches do that. Coaching matters. You act like coaches are passengers with no control over anything.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

If the plan is for Brassard to be moved to wing to replace NAK I think I am ok with that. NAK showed last season he cannot be trusted.
I hope Frost comes in and leaves no doubt he should be the 3C.

 

[flyerslducks]

No one is expecting frost to come out here and score 60 points lol—some people think that us wanting him To play over shit veterans who provide no value (looking at you Thompson) means we expect him to score 60 lol. It’s very simple….Thompson harms the team more than he helps it. His faceoff usage is not really needed as we are already a top 5-10 faceoff team with couts/giroux/Laughton being great and hayes being ok at it. He is slow, not a good possession player, and he brings no skill for the 4th line so his wingers (most likely Laughton/lindblom and Allison) will be dragged down as well. Lindblom and Allison could definitely use a better 4th line center to play with. Oh and his pk awareness is not needed when we have so many guys who can play there.

We just got Atkinson who is a good pker, farabee will see a bigger role there, and we have 4 centers who all can take faceoffs without his help. I’d rather have brassard as our 4c

 

[flyerslducks]

If the plan is for Brassard to be moved to wing to replace NAK I think I am ok with that. NAK showed last season he cannot be trusted.
I hope Frost comes in and leaves no doubt he should be the 3C.

Allison should replace nak

 

[Fire Tortorella]

When does development camp or training camp start? We need something new to discuss.

 

[kudymen]

Authenticbot shows us that the phase of the season doesn't matter. His talking points, strawmen and retorts have been the same over years

 

[deadhead]

You're.just ignoring what played out.

Thompson blocked Frost. When Stewart was given the last roster slot, competition was between him and NAK directly for the same slot. Not with Twar and Bunnaman, especially since Buns plays a different position. Oh, and the assessment of Twar over NAK was suspect too, so it doesn't exactly cover AV and Chuck in glory.

Young players don't bench themselves. Coaches do that. Coaching matters. You act like coaches are passengers with no control over anything.

They had already given up on Frost two weeks before they added Thompson, so how could he have blocked him? The cause and effect was Frost and Bunnman's play motivated Fletcher to add Thompson and Grant (who has been a top PK guy the last few years).

They called up Farabee and Kase to play RW before recalling NAK, which tells you how unhappy they were with his play, and this past season showed why - when NAK isn't flying, he's dying - he can't afford to take shifts or games off.

Thompson and Grant stunk in the bubble, but there's no reason to assume Frost and Bunnaman would have been any better, given how Farabee struggled, and he's heads and shoulders above them.

The real problem was the prospects weren't ready for prime time. Be happy Fletcher didn't pay a king's ransom for a rental.

Which is why Fletcher added Brassard, with Laczynski a question mark with the hip surgery, he didn't want to have to play Bunnaman or Rubtsov if there were a couple injuries. Now if they're tearing up the AHL, an injury becomes an opportunity for a cameo to see if they're NHL ready.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They had already given up on Frost two weeks before they added Thompson, so how could he have blocked him? The cause and effect was Frost and Bunnman's play motivated Fletcher to add Thompson and Grant (who has been a top PK guy the last few years).

They called up Farabee and Kase to play RW before recalling NAK, which tells you how unhappy they were with his play, and this past season showed why - when NAK isn't flying, he's dying - he can't afford to take shifts or games off.

Thompson and Grant stunk in the bubble, but there's no reason to assume Frost and Bunnaman would have been any better, given how Farabee struggled, and he's heads and shoulders above them.

The real problem was the prospects weren't ready for prime time. Be happy Fletcher didn't pay a king's ransom for a rental.

Which is why Fletcher added Brassard, with Laczynski a question mark with the hip surgery, he didn't want to have to play Bunnaman or Rubtsov if there were a couple injuries. Now if they're tearing up the AHL, an injury becomes an opportunity for a cameo to see if they're NHL ready.

Giving up on Frost and replacing him with Thompson is f***ing stupid as hell on its own, and incompetent.

I was specifically talking about the playoffs where they didn't even give Frost a chance because they had their prized bum.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

yes you are, because you want him playing over every vet like he's a special player and it's all you talk about frost this, frost that like he's going to be a superstar. if you really think frost is a bottom 6 player, why are you so desperate for chuck to play him over every vet?

You showing your agenda. If you think Thompson should play over Frost cause Thompson is a veteran and 800 or so nhl games. It doesnt matter how old or how many games he has played. It matters how he is playing now, and thompson is playing like shit. For seasons now! Frost played solid in his short stint. without experience or much practice cause of his injuries. So he was a useful player despite his lack of experience and lack of practice in the nhl and with his linemates. Show.me one post of me or anyone else who overrate him like you mentioned!

Get me a real no3 center and i would be ok to give frost more time in the ahl, cause of his injury history. But we havent anyone who is better right now than him. So let him play for good.sake!

Yeah i say he is better than Thompson, Grant, Brassard, and every other Veteran with slow skating but hard to play against image.

 

[renberg]

He is slow, not a good possession player, and he brings no skill for the 4th line so his wingers (most likely Laughton/lindblom and Allison) will be dragged down as well.

Why would a team sign a guy like this? Especially to a 35+ contract.

 

[deadhead]

Giving up on Frost and replacing him with Thompson is f***ing stupid as hell on its own, and incompetent.

I was specifically talking about the playoffs where they didn't even give Frost a chance because they had their prized bum.

Frost was a defensive liability in the regular season, in the playoffs where the refs swallow their whistles he'd been eaten alive.
As bad as Thompson was, Bunnaman was worse in the 2 games he played.
Pitlick, Farabee and JVR also struggled in those playoffs.

 

[tucson83]

Giving up on Frost and replacing him with Thompson is f***ing stupid as hell on its own, and incompetent.

I was specifically talking about the playoffs where they didn't even give Frost a chance because they had their prized bum.

what teams have won cups just by playing youth that's 25 and under with just your own picks? why does every playoff gm get vets even the tampa lightning that won two cups?

 

[kudymen]

And most importantly, how is it possible we won shit all with Chris Stewart? :-O

 

[Ironmanrulez]

what teams have won cups just by playing youth that's 25 and under with just your own picks? why does every playoff gm get vets even the tampa lightning that won two cups?

Do you think this team can win?
Do you think teams win with the brassards and Thompson of the world?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I hope Frost comes in and leaves no doubt he should be the 3C.

The issue is probably going to be AV and not Frost himself.

 

[Adam Warlock]

If Ive learned anything...its that training camp and the roster it produces is meaningless. It is better to see Frost come up mid year and stick than to see him penciled in as 3C at the start of the year and the team get impatient with him when he hits a rough patch early on. Impatience leads to deadline "depth" acquisitions that the team will feel obligated to play, like Thompson and Grant. Id rather see Thompson be the one who gets replaced midseason than be the one brought in.

Frost will get his chance at some point this year to prove himself and then it will be on him to do so. I like his chances of doing that mid season instead of in october.

 

[deadhead]

I think Frost will take the 3C job in training camp and never look back.

His CHL performance showed he has the raw talent to succeed, the fact he wasn't ready at 20 didn't make him a non-prospect, it just meant a little patience was in order. Now it's two years later, time to shine.

 

[Beef Invictus]

what teams have won cups just by playing youth that's 25 and under with just your own picks? why does every playoff gm get vets even the tampa lightning that won two cups?

Teams that won Cups playing guys 25 and under? Since 2011, Boston, Los Angeles twice, Chicago twice, Pittsburgh twice, Washington, St Louis, Tampa Bay Twice.

Teams that won Cups playing only guys they drafted? Zero.

Teams that won Cups by supplementing their homegrown talent with trash-heap signings like the Flyers? Zero.


Of course, I gave you the most charitable reading of your post that I could. It appears you may have been trying to ask what team playing only guys 25 and under, and only their own players, has won? That's called a strawman argument. Nobody is arguing that. It's a thing you dreamed up in your head and then pretended people here argue, because your assertions are too poor to stand on their own so you have to swing away at fake arguments instead.

Edit: Oh, and how is that list of posters who claimed Frost is the next Crosby coming along? You dig up all those quotes yet?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost was a defensive liability in the regular season, in the playoffs where the refs swallow their whistles he'd been eaten alive.
As bad as Thompson was, Bunnaman was worse in the 2 games he played.
Pitlick, Farabee and JVR also struggled in those playoffs.

Frost is better than Bunnaman and Thompson.

Thompson was a bigger liability than Frost. You need to do more than just be trapped in your own zone getting shelled every shift to win games, you know.

A lot of players struggled in no small part because the coaching was a horror show; surrounding players with trash tends to harm them, too. Playing towards stupid plans against a team picking those plans apart effortlessly will harm player results. Coaching is super important, they have a lot of influence. They aren't money sponges soaking up pay while watching to see how the roster congeals on its own without their biased inputs, or whether the goalie singlehandedly determines the whole team's fate.