Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

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Zman5778

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What disturbs me most about the last month or so isn't just losing games but the fact they are getting absolutely destroyed on an almost nightly basis. If they were losing competitive games that would be one thing, but the constant blowouts point to a team that has outright quit and a glaring lack of professional pride. That last part is why I think a serious organization would let Donny know he is on thin ice and that unless that changes he and his entire staff will be sacked the second the season ends. Quitting is the one thing that 100% cannot be tolerated.

Oh c'mon now. That's hyperbole. Yes -- Dallas, Philly and Boston (twice) have beat our brains in. But we could have/should have won against Washington, Rangers, Oilers, Islanders....and did beat the Leafs and Lightning in that span.
 
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sabremike

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Oh c'mon now. That's hyperbole. Yes -- Dallas, Philly and Boston (twice) have beat our brains in. But we could have/should have won against Washington, Rangers, Oilers, Islanders....and did beat the Leafs and Lightning in that span.
The Islanders game was nowhere as close as the score would indicate. An embarrassing no show of a performance and I'd know because I was there. If guys are quitting on games on a routine basis (and I'd say quitting on at least 4 games in a 2 week span qualifies as that) it's completely unacceptable.
 
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Oh c'mon now. That's hyperbole. Yes -- Dallas, Philly and Boston (twice) have beat our brains in. But we could have/should have won against Washington, Rangers, Oilers, Islanders....and did beat the Leafs and Lightning in that span.
"Could have/should have won"= choked and lost. Getting pasted by Philadelphia was abysmal given their place in the standings. I fully expected the Bruins to best them but being outscored 14-1 in their last 2 meetings? Can't get much worse than that. Where's the fight??
 

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Not even Boston wins every close game. Just because we lost doesn't mean we choked.
The difference is Boston comes back and wins their next 3. They don't roll over and die. I suppose it's irrelevant anyways, they would draw the Bruins in round 1. Saves the embarrassment of getting swept out of the first round and outscored 28-3
 

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he got Bishops contract so he can get to the floor without having to deal with longer than wanted contracts. Thry are already at the floor for next year with current roster.

avg age would drop if they replaces girgs, Hino, Anderson, Okposo With prospects in the system.
Should they be applauded for hitting the cap floor without an LTIRetired contract? That is literally the minimum they need to do under the CBA.

And they are going to get younger next season even if they replace them with some guys that are “in the age range of the core” and replace then with guys in the 23-26 yo range and not just guys like Rosen and Kulich.
 
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I haven't watched a game since the Islanders game.

Feels great.

Probably won't watch another one until Levi gets a start.
 
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Should they be applauded for hitting the cap floor without an LTIRetired contract? That is literally the minimum they need to do under the CBA.

And they are going to get younger next season even if they replace them with some guys that are “in the age range of the core” and replace then with guys in the 23-26 yo range and not just guys like Rosen and Kulich.
You mean not being forced to sign garbage contracts to get to the floor…let alone overpay on short term rentals.

20 players gaining a year and
Anderson being replaced by a U21 player keeps the mean of those players stable or lower.
 

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Who would have thought when Adams brought no help they'd crumble. 2-6-2 last 10. Traded a 2+3+5 for 2 bums. How is that a better idea then a 1st+non top prospects for an impact player ? What is funny is Greenway, in MORE ice time is averaging less ppg and hits then in Minnesota. What an awful trade for an awful player.
 
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Prediction - Levi gets the bulk of the remaining games.
Prediction -- you're wrong

Who would have thought when Adams brought no help they'd crumble. 2-6-2 last 10. Traded a 2+3+5 for 2 bums. How is that a better idea then a 1st+non top prospects for an impact player ? What is funny is Greenway, in MORE ice time is averaging less ppg and hits then in Minnesota. What an awful trade for an awful player.
Yep sent a message to team and fans this was a throwaway year. Pegula is the worst owner in NHL history
 

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Who would have thought when Adams brought no help they'd crumble. 2-6-2 last 10. Traded a 2+3+5 for 2 bums. How is that a better idea then a 1st+non top prospects for an impact player ? What is funny is Greenway, in MORE ice time is averaging less ppg and hits then in Minnesota. What an awful trade for an awful player.

Well seeing as Arizona was rather indignant on getting Kulich or Savoie in any Chychrun trade; that wouldn’t of been the case regardless.
 

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Two moves I’d consider are below. One move we’ve talked about a lot. Add picks or whatever to even out the trades.

Olofsson to Nashville for Fabbro.

Jokiharju to Anaheim for Comtois. I’d add to try to get Max Jones as well.
 
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Goalies are a big problem for sure, but there’s a half dozen things or so we can point to right now causing our recent skid. I’ll list (in no particular order)

1. Forwards not playing defense. Tage, Skinner, Cozens, Krebs spring to mind immediately. Others play some defense, but have more to give (Tuch, for instance). Some of this are system effects. We like to play loose and exit the DZ early, but if we don’t get the puck out these guys have to hustle to back check, otherwise none of it works. I always find it funny when people say “x player is bad at defense” because right now, it’s not that they’re “bad” at it - they’re not even playing it. They’re in the NZ.

2. Goalies. I don’t think I need to explain too much here.

3. Defenseman unwillingness to block shots. Last I checked, as far as percentage of shots faced that are blocked - Sabres were dead last. Now, there are some good teams that block a relatively low percentage of shots as well, but I think some of that is system effects. If they’re allowing more low-danger chances - you’re not selling out to block shots. I think an underrated part of our horrendous PK is our inability to get into shooting lanes and block shots. I’ve seen way too many half-hearted attempts to kinda get in the way of a shot, but the defenseman effectively just screens the goalie instead. Get Jay McKee here or something and help teach these kids how to block a damn shot.

4. Unwilling to adjust play style. I think after the 10-4 loss to Dallas we did adjust a bit - yet still came up a little short. Against Philadelphia and again today we went right back to our only try and carry the puck in/not attempting to slow the game down/grind it out. Now, we didn’t get much a chance to do so today because we were down immediately, but the goals that made it 2-0 and 3-0 were because of loose play. Not saying we would’ve beat Boston - but we could’ve at least made it interesting.

5. Lack of physicality. I hate when people bash physicality and say “oh yeah, that’s what we need, a bunch of goons”. That’s not it. At all. Hell, I’m not even referencing hits directly. Winning puck battles. Using your body to get a takeaway. Even attempting an entry denial instead of giving up the blueline so easily. Our lack of physicality comes in many shapes and sizes - and I don’t see that changing in the near future.

6. Coaching. Granatos lineup choices have been questionable at best recently. Jost a healthy scratch? Olofsson back in? Greenway on the PK? Plus his inability to match lines at home raise some big questions. I’m not calling for his head, but the number of concerns I have about his ability to be a winning (not developmental) coach are growing.

7. Dead weight. Olofsson, Okposo, Greenway, Girgensons, Clague/Bryson, Joki are just adding nothing right now. Okposo looks cooked. Girgensons gives a good effort but I’m convinced his hockey IQ is very low. Joki should be a third pair RHD getting 15 minutes a night. Clague and Bryson are not NHL caliber players. Olofsson brings you absolutely nothing if he’s not scoring. Greenway has been a passenger since he’s been here, I hope to god it’s his shoulder - otherwise that’s a big blunder by Adams.

8. Inexperience. Owen Power is the shining example of this. He makes incredible offensive plays, and equally incredible defensive blunders nightly. Quinn, Peterka, Krebs - even Cozens and Dahlin make a ton of youthful mistakes. When you look at top teams around the league - Cozens and Dahlin at 22 would be considered their “kids” when they’re considered damn near vets for the Sabres.

There’s other concerns I could list (faceoffs, for instance) but I think those are the main ones. I’m not certain how much of this is on the players and how much is on the coaching staff - but changes do need to be made. Big summer upcoming.
 

Gabrielor

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I made fun of the Levi signing doom-and-gloom, and now I'm unironically going to produce some of my own:

If the Sabres don't get the rebuild right this time, and the drought extends towards 20 years, the fanbase is going to collapse for good this time.

I'm talking Sabres leave Buffalo kind of stuff, because the season ticket base will crash to under a few 1000, and Key Bank will get even more embarrassing with away fans than it is.

This is Pegula's last chance, or he's losing this fan base forever, and will end up as the Art Modell of the Sabres.

If it's 2025-2026, and the drought is in tact with no end in sight, I'll be leaving my Sabres fandom behind. 25 years of support with about 4 good seasons will be enough.
 

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Two moves I’d consider are below. One move we’ve talked about a lot. Add picks or whatever to even out the trades.

Olofsson to Nashville for Fabbro.

Jokiharju to Anaheim for Comtois. I’d add to try to get Max Jones as well.

After moving Ekholm I doubt Fabbro is on the table.

And if he was, he'd cost quite a bit more than Olofsson. Olofsson isn't going to garner much of a return at this point. We'll either have to take a similar contract back or just take a mid round pick for him.

I'm not sure what Comtois adds to our top 9, but I haven't watched him much this year.
 

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Two moves I’d consider are below. One move we’ve talked about a lot. Add picks or whatever to even out the trades.

Olofsson to Nashville for Fabbro.

Jokiharju to Anaheim for Comtois. I’d add to try to get Max Jones as well.
Comtois would be another Greenway
 
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