Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Chainshot]

I think it's time for all the walking wounded to be put on IR, get their surgeries and whatever else, and give some of the Amerks a look to see if they need to be qualified as depth for next year. Shut 'em down before someone gets badly broken enough to eat into the start of next year.

 

[oldgoalie]

Taking out a positive defensive player who is one of the few guys who goes to dirty areas as a healthy scratch to try and make a 4th round pick into a 3rd round pick is the sort of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face sort of f***wittery we should expect.

in DC, I noticed his hustle. wtf he sat him is beyond me.

I think it's time for all the walking wounded to be put on IR, get their surgeries and whatever else, and give some of the Amerks a look to see if they need to be qualified as depth for next year. Shut 'em down before someone gets badly broken enough to eat into the start of next year.

I'm looking at you, Rasmus.

 

[sabresfan129103]

in DC, I noticed his hustle. wtf he sat him is beyond me.


I'm looking at you, Rasmus.

Yes, he needs to be shut down in the worst way. He's not remotely the same player right now. Like, I give the guy a lot of credit for battling through it, but it's time for the coaches to step in.

 

[Duddy]

No idea how people can look at this mess and think that making the playoffs next season will be easy without significant changes. They need a goaltender, a top 4 dman, forwards that know how to play defense and being physical.

Ton of work for a guy who has yet to do a ton of trading work to improve the team.

 

[Jim Bob]

What is this based on? The conspiracy theories on here are something else.

Adams has talked openly about his plan to do the build "the right way" through drafting and developing and being patient and that ownership was on board with his plan.

This season they needed Bishop's LTIRetired contract to get above the cap floor due in large part to having the youngest roster in the NHL and 6 players on ELCs.

They have less than $70M in cap hits for next season with close to a full roster already. And they could go from the youngest roster in the NHL in 2022-23 to an even younger roster next season with the likelihood that Anderson retires and questions about whether guys like Okposo and Girgensons will be back. Jeff Skinner might be the only 30+ player on the roster next season.

I doubt there will be pressure from ownership to spend more on pricey vets that will increase their odds of making the postseason.

But, we shall see.

 

[joshjull]

Adams has talked openly about his plan to do the build "the right way" through drafting and developing and being patient and that ownership was on board with his plan.

This season they needed Bishop's LTIRetired contract to get above the cap floor due in large part to having the youngest roster in the NHL and 6 players on ELCs.

They have less than $70M in cap hits for next season with close to a full roster already. I doubt there will be pressure from ownership to spend more on pricey vets that will increase their odds of making the postseason.

But, we shall see.

The bolded is 100% accurate. But thats not how you framed it in your previous post. Where you made it seem as if the plan was being dictated from ownership and they emphasized cheap youth.

 

[debaser66]

I think it's time for all the walking wounded to be put on IR, get their surgeries and whatever else, and give some of the Amerks a look to see if they need to be qualified as depth for next year. Shut 'em down before someone gets badly broken enough to eat into the start of next year.

I hope they do that but the more likely thing is they will simulate like they re still in some kind of race at least roster wise

 

[sabremike]

Adams has talked openly about his plan to do the build "the right way" through drafting and developing and being patient and that ownership was on board with his plan.

This season they needed Bishop's LTIRetired contract to get above the cap floor due in large part to having the youngest roster in the NHL and 6 players on ELCs.

They have less than $70M in cap hits for next season with close to a full roster already. And they could go from the youngest roster in the NHL in 2022-23 to an even younger roster next season with the likelihood that Anderson retires and questions about whether guys like Okposo and Girgensons will be back. Jeff Skinner might be the only 30+ player on the roster next season.

I doubt there will be pressure from ownership to spend more on pricey vets that will increase their odds of making the postseason.

But, we shall see.

Because what this organization needs right now is to get younger. When they got a small bit of pressure the kids all collapsed easier than a house of cards, we need some solid vets or the same bullshit will happen next season. Our organization is run by crazy and stupid people and the results speak for themselves.

 

[joshjull]

I hope they do that but the more likely thing is they will simulate like they re still in some kind of race at least roster wise

I’m not sure

Scratching Jost, playing Mitts at center again (2nd game in a row) and dressing VO seem like things geared towards potential offseason moves. But I might be reading too much into it.

 

[sabremike]

Taking out a positive defensive player who is one of the few guys who goes to dirty areas as a healthy scratch to try and make a 4th round pick into a 3rd round pick is the sort of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face sort of f***wittery we should expect.

And the hilarious part is that they are killing his value by exposing just how bad he is.

 

[Chainshot]

I hope they do that but the more likely thing is they will simulate like they re still in some kind of race at least roster wise

I sense late stage Housley and early stage Ralph right now - impatience at trying anything other than what may have worked in the past. Greenway with Thompson lasted half a period as they immediately abandoned their lineup changes. Putting Vic back out there on consecutive nights and getting some empty calorie goals when they need players who defend. Either stick with it or don't - they can't talk about how it takes time for players to get used to one another at one point in the season to only give people a couple of shifts to get going, then when the burnished turds in net get lit afire again immediately go back to the same 1-line BS.

 

[debaser66]

Adams has talked openly about his plan to do the build "the right way" through drafting and developing and being patient and that ownership was on board with his plan.

This season they needed Bishop's LTIRetired contract to get above the cap floor due in large part to having the youngest roster in the NHL and 6 players on ELCs.

They have less than $70M in cap hits for next season with close to a full roster already. And they could go from the youngest roster in the NHL in 2022-23 to an even younger roster next season with the likelihood that Anderson retires and questions about whether guys like Okposo and Girgensons will be back. Jeff Skinner might be the only 30+ player on the roster next season.

I doubt there will be pressure from ownership to spend more on pricey vets that will increase their odds of making the postseason.

But, we shall see.

I dont think this approach is working; given significant roster changes and veteran infusion; they dont seem to be having the right habits or tools to go through situations as this, they re getting crushed.
we could find ourselves in a similar situation next year.
they need at least above average netminding, consistently, to make it somehow work, if they dont get a top4 D

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Karel Vejmelka. That's who they should be going for.

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Glad to see you’re coming over to my side on him!

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Adams has talked openly about his plan to do the build "the right way" through drafting and developing and being patient and that ownership was on board with his plan.

This season they needed Bishop's LTIRetired contract to get above the cap floor due in large part to having the youngest roster in the NHL and 6 players on ELCs.

They have less than $70M in cap hits for next season with close to a full roster already. And they could go from the youngest roster in the NHL in 2022-23 to an even younger roster next season with the likelihood that Anderson retires and questions about whether guys like Okposo and Girgensons will be back. Jeff Skinner might be the only 30+ player on the roster next season.

I doubt there will be pressure from ownership to spend more on pricey vets that will increase their odds of making the postseason.

But, we shall see.

I’m pretty sure current Ben Bishop would be our best goalie, and all he’d need to do is get in the butterfly and play shooter tutor

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

I haven't been a big fan of Mitts with Krebs this year.

The eye test tells me that Mitts has had much better chemistry with Jost (or Cozens for that matter, but we are talking about a 3rd line role and not that 2nd line spot).

I think both Krebs and Mitts are at their best when they are carrying the puck and pulling defenders to them to create space for a finisher that can read the play and find those open lanes to receive the puck. I am not sure Greenway is that guy.

I get the grindy idea of the line, just not sure it plays to Mitts' or Krebs' best attributes.

Mitts needs to be with Cozens from here on out this season to see what’s there. The keeping of Quinn and Peterka experiment can be paused for 13 games.

This team needs some actual practice this off-season and not coming in a few weeks before preseason starts.

 

[Chainshot]

Glad to see you’re coming over to my side on him!

I don't recall you beating a drum for him but sure, if that's a thing, cool. Bang on.

If Friedman hadn't mentioned that he might be available at the deadline, I wouldn't even think twice about trying to get a guy who has played well under difficult circumstances and with often dubious talent in front of him as an option.

 

[VaporTrail]

I don't want Girgs, Okposo, or Bryson to ever play a game for the Sabres after this season.

I agree...I know a lot of fans like some of these guys but it's time to move on from them for the improvement of our roster....Major upgrades can occur if we replace them especially with our cap room....KO can be replaced with a top 6 winger (6-7 mill range)....Girgs can be replaced with someone who has just as much grit and can play D but can score more....Replace Bryson (or one of our AHL d-men) with a top 4 D-man...The last move would move Joker and Lube down to the bottom pair....I think this would significantly improve our roster.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I'm sure these Jost benchings makes him all but gone come summer. Hopefully they can find someone int/ext to fill that spot and perhaps is better at the pk.

 

[Djp]

you should probably curb your expectations to avoid a complete letdown.

Everyone knows big changes aren't being made and that Adams isn't getting fired.

this is utter horse shit on him getting fired

Small tweaks are likely, and all of the kids are going to keep developing and improving.

Adams' main goal is to build a long-term competitive team, not to compete for a cup next season.

he’s not mortgaging the future for short term gains. The rebuilding in the system isn’t finished yet.

The bright side of him still being around is that you will still be able to tell everyone how bad of a job he is doing every single day in every single thread in this forum, so not all will be lost.

don’t give him ideas on wondering other boards on here…..

Adams has talked openly about his plan to do the build "the right way" through drafting and developing and being patient and that ownership was on board with his plan.

This season they needed Bishop's LTIRetired contract to get above the cap floor due in large part to having the youngest roster in the NHL and 6 players on ELCs.

They have less than $70M in cap hits for next season with close to a full roster already. And they could go from the youngest roster in the NHL in 2022-23 to an even younger roster next season with the likelihood that Anderson retires and questions about whether guys like Okposo and Girgensons will be back. Jeff Skinner might be the only 30+ player on the roster next season.

I doubt there will be pressure from ownership to spend more on pricey vets that will increase their odds of making the postseason.

But, we shall see.

he got Bishops contract so he can get to the floor without having to deal with longer than wanted contracts. Thry are already at the floor for next year with current roster.

avg age would drop if they replaces girgs, Hino, Anderson, Okposo With prospects in the system.

The bolded is 100% accurate. But thats not how you framed it in your previous post. Where you made it seem as if the plan was being dictated from ownership and they emphasized cheap youth.

I don’t think it’s going with cheap youth vs going with quality drsft pick who need to develop their game by playing in the nhl.

I don't recall you beating a drum for him but sure, if that's a thing, cool. Bang on.

If Friedman hadn't mentioned that he might be available at the deadline, I wouldn't even think twice about trying to get a guy who has played well under difficult circumstances and with often dubious talent in front of him as an option.

the classic chicken and egg debate…..

if you play in a defense first system goalie numbers are usually going to be better but that doesn’t translate to who is the good goalie. It’s more complicated than that.

 

[Chainshot]

this is utter horse shit on him getting fired


he’s not mortgaging the future for short term gains. The rebuilding in the system isn’t finished yet.


don’t give him ideas on wondering other boards on here…..


he got Bishops contract so he can get to the floor without having to deal with longer than wanted contracts. Thry are already at the floor for next year with current roster.

avg age would drop if they replaces girgs, Hino, Anderson, Okposo With prospects in the system.






I don’t think it’s going with cheap youth vs going with quality drsft pick who need to develop their game by playing in the nhl.

the classic chicken and egg debate…..

if you play in a defense first system goalie numbers are usually going to be better but that doesn’t translate to who is the good goalie. It’s more complicated than that.

I've never said it isn't complicated. I've been on about their team defense, their PKing/PK coaching, and how their defensemen are coached for months.

 

[sabremike]

What disturbs me most about the last month or so isn't just losing games but the fact they are getting absolutely destroyed on an almost nightly basis. If they were losing competitive games that would be one thing, but the constant blowouts point to a team that has outright quit and a glaring lack of professional pride. That last part is why I think a serious organization would let Donny know he is on thin ice and that unless that changes he and his entire staff will be sacked the second the season ends. Quitting is the one thing that 100% cannot be tolerated.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Oloffson’s return has truly sparked the team. We’ve scored twice and our opponents have only scored 12.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

Think if we end up 11 and winn the lottery

 

[BB79]

being patient

Our patience is nonexistent after over a decade of not even making the playoffs. I've had enough of this BS.

 

[Djp]

I've never said it isn't complicated. I've been on about their team defense, their PKing/PK coaching, and how their defensemen are coached for months.

Yet the solution is get a new goalie…..