Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[LetsGoBuffalo1126]

Could hear a pin drop on this board. All the KA apologists have given up like their team?

I don't know that I'd consider myself a KA apologist, but I don't mind the patient approach. Look, I think any reasonable fan got exactly what they hoped for out of this group. They wanted the team to play meaningful games in March. The team did exactly that. I understand that the hopes changed because of that, but at the end of the day, the team accomplished what a great many fans hoped they would.

Now, this is the off-season where KA can't sit on his hands. With how young they are as a group, I don't think they've hit their ceiling as assembled, but clearly there are deficiencies and clearly KA has to address them if he's serious about winning at the point of looking to next season. I'll be here with the pitchforks if he does little this off-season, but in my opinion, that's going to be the time where he makes his hay.

 

[thewookie1]

Could hear a pin drop on this board. All the KA apologists have given up like their team?

No need to bitch and moan; Adams did an average job this year but couldn't quite get the team to the level needed for the playoffs

He got Jost for free, signed Thompson and Cozens to very affordable deals and got a 3rd for Portillo

I would of liked Chychrun but agree with Adams that Kulich and Savoie were untouchable. If Arizona were unwilling to take Rosen/Ostlund, our 1st and a 2nd from us for Chychrun then that's on Arizona; not us.

Stillman has been meh
Greenway hasn't been good yet but made logical sense. Greenway has had solid defensive metrics and has a large frame with aggression both of which were needed.

Personally I would of targeted a guy like Schenn for a 3rd but I don't begrudge him not being all that interested in rental acquisitions.

Based on Adams' intentions he had hoped to acquire Chychrun and Stillman to reinforce and bulk up the D while he likely looked to trade a 3rd and 5th for Greenway. Chychrun fell through and Adams had to bump up his cost to acquire Greenway

Barring a team wanting Comrie; getting a goalie was out of the question due to roster spots and Levi being on his way with leverage.

 

[Zman5778]

Could hear a pin drop on this board. All the KA apologists have given up like their team?

Just waiting for a lot of the doom and gloom to abate. Not worth my time/energy arguing against people whose minds are clearly made up.

 

[LetsGoBuffalo1126]

Just waiting for a lot of the doom and gloom to abate. Not worth my time/energy arguing against people whose minds are clearly made up.

That's exactly where I am as well. There are a bunch of people in here that you rarely see when the goings are better, but when things go south, they come back in with the same tired tripe over and over again to gloat that the current state of the team fits their narrative.

 

[Bendium]

Where having a couple of vets are somehow going to make Tage start scoring goals again? Your best players need to play like your best players, and right now most of them seem MIA during this stretch. Sure adding a couple vets will help, but the bulk of this team has been inconsistent especially during the past 10 games.

I suppose KA should have known how they would do under pressure though right? He needed to have players that performed even better when they were fighting for the playoffs, instead of the mess we are getting right now. Then maybe they lose that Boston game 5 - 1 instead of 7 - 0 cause of the vets.

Mentors are incredibly important to success in most aspects of life. Someone to support you and show you how. Inventing the wheel on your own is less efficient and often results in failure. Having someone to show you how, to teach you what has already been learned before you, is the most critical aspect of how society, people, and yes, hockey players achieve a new level of success.

The most concerning aspect of this management group so far, is an alarming imbalance in the strategy so far.

 

[Der Jaeger]

1) Poor skating

2) Poor work ethic

There's a reason everyone who follows the Wild felt getting rid of him was smart: he is a terrible player who is never going to amount to anything other than a minor league journeyman.

We’re two weeks in. I’d pump the brakes a bit. Give him an off season with Granato. If he shows up in October the same way, then what you wrote is accurate.

Unless Carolina added to win that cup... he's not adding some messier to dominate a room...They all step up and make a run at it . Or he will act against his blueprint to make up for lack of sack..

doubt it ..its all injuries that would land many a month off...

If We decide to suffer, win next two and get a Levi start before we lose another coffin nail game... I'm frickn interested , screw thr recent past

It’s got nothing to do with Doan’s leadership skills. Power forwards take longer to develop. You acquire them four ways:

1.) Draft

2.) Trade for them before they develop, hoping to capitalize on another team’s impatience.

3.) Trade for a sure thing. That costs Huberdeau and Weegar type assets going the other way.

4.) Acquire them past their prime.

I’d prefer option 1, but option 2 is the way for Adams to go right now.

 

[Chainshot]

We’re two weeks in. I’d pump the brakes a bit. Give him an off season with Granato. If he shows up in October the same way, then what you wrote is accurate.

Yep. Very much so.

It’s got nothing to do with Doan’s leadership skills. Power forwards take longer to develop. You acquire them four ways:

1.) Draft

2.) Trade for them before they develop, hoping to capitalize on another team’s impatience.

3.) Trade for a sure thing. That costs Huberdeau and Weegar type assets going the other way.

4.) Acquire them past their prime.

I’d prefer option 1, but option 2 is the way for Adams to go right now.

There is another way - groom UDFA's into the role at least as depth players. And that's going to mean more guys who miss than succeed at the minor league level.

 

[old kummelweck]

Could hear a pin drop on this board. All the KA apologists have given up like their team?

You're beating a straw man.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Mentors are incredibly important to success in most aspects of life. Someone to support you and show you how. Inventing the wheel on your own is less efficient and often results in failure. Having someone to show you how, to teach you what has already been learned before you, is the most critical aspect of how society, people, and yes, hockey players achieve a new level of success.

The most concerning aspect of this management group so far, is an alarming imbalance in the strategy so far.

Having mentors is important, in that you're correct. They have some mentors for the team in guys like Tuch, Okposo, Girgensons, Skinner, and Anderson. Also having a veteran Dman would have been nice. Lyubushkin was a solid addition, but has had limited time in the NHL so far and wasn't a vet they could count on to mentor the younger guys so there was definitely room to add there.

What they don't or didn't have was a ton of roster space to add 4 or 5 vets to the team, not without sacrificing development time for Quinn, Peterka, Krebs, Power and to an extent Cozens. While many fans made up their mind on some of the players last offseason, management clearly had not. They seemed to still be evaluating and trying to develop Mittelstadt, Joker, Bryson and to a lesser extent Asplund and Fitzgerald. Obviously Asplund and Fitz are gone, Bryson has regressed and Joker seems to be what he is at this point.

This team is not going to make noise in the playoffs without the development of Cozens, Quinn, Power, or several others. In order for them to develop, they need to play. You can look at many teams developing young players and they surround them with vets, but most of those teams are only developing 1 or 2 young players in the NHL at a time, not 5 or 6 of them like the Sabres are. Add to that the need to possibly find roster spots for Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, Rosen or several others in the next couple of seasons and the need to develop them now or move on from them is even greater.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

I'm giving Adams this offseason before I start to criticize him..

Adams to-do list

1.) Trim the fat off this team. Olofsson, Bryson and Joki are waste of roster spots and need to go.
2.) Get a top 4 RHD.. Maybe use Olofsson and Joki +picks or prospects to make a deal.
3.) Sign another bottom pair D-man (Soucy, Graves, etc)
4.) Need an upgrade in net... UFAs don't look great this summer so probably go the trade route? But you can't go into next season with the Comrie/UPL tandem.
5.) DRAFT DEFENSEMAN! We are hurting in the pipeline for d-man. Adams has made 27 picks as GM of this team and has only selected 5 d-man 2 RHD.

The only real gripe I have with Adams was selecting Leinenon at 41 (In a draft were goalie prospects were weak) when there were a plethora of solid RHD available..

I am sure not everyone is going to agree with my list of things Adams needs to address but from the way I am looking at it, if you want to not just make but go far in the playoffs next year, most of this list needs to be addressed.

 

[Bendium]

You're beating a straw man.

As long as it is dead, and we can move on with discussing the changes needed, because we need alot more fixed than is going to happen thru, "patient development", and "running it back."

It WILL require trading assets, signing a few UFA's, and replacing a few coaches, to put a better, more balanced team, prospect pipeline, and hockey system in place that can not only sustain winning, but compete at the higher level that hockey ascends to the last third of the season and in the playoffs.

 

[Chainshot]

Hey @TehDoak, did you catch this?



Sportsnet has it as "age restricted"...? Weird. It's Dumba's hit on Kuzentsov over the weekend.

 

[Gras]

As long as it is dead, and we can move on with discussing the changes needed, because we need alot more fixed than is going to happen thru, "patient development", and "running it back."

It WILL require trading assets, signing a few UFA's, and replacing a few coaches, to put a better, more balanced team, prospect pipeline, and hockey system in place that can not only sustain winning, but compete at the higher level that hockey ascends to the last third of the season and in the playoffs.

The only thing thats dead is the horse.

 

[Jim Bob]

Hey @TehDoak, did you catch this?



Sportsnet has it as "age restricted"...? Weird. It's Dumba's hit on Kuzentsov over the weekend.

 

[EichHart]

After this draft I want to trade every single pick for roster help. We're done with accumulating picks/prospects. The next phase 100% has to start this summer. We have a plethora of high end prospects developing and look to add another 3 in the top 50 of this years deep draft.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

The only players that should be on next year's roster

Thompson
Tuch
Skinner
Cozens
Quinn
Peterka

Dahlin
Power
Samuelsson

Levi

Every other spot needs to be totally revamped.

 

[debaser66]

No need to bitch and moan; Adams did an average job this year but couldn't quite get the team to the level needed for the playoffs

He got Jost for free, signed Thompson and Cozens to very affordable deals and got a 3rd for Portillo

I would of liked Chychrun but agree with Adams that Kulich and Savoie were untouchable. If Arizona were unwilling to take Rosen/Ostlund, our 1st and a 2nd from us for Chychrun then that's on Arizona; not us.

Stillman has been meh
Greenway hasn't been good yet but made logical sense. Greenway has had solid defensive metrics and has a large frame with aggression both of which were needed.

Personally I would of targeted a guy like Schenn for a 3rd but I don't begrudge him not being all that interested in rental acquisitions.

Based on Adams' intentions he had hoped to acquire Chychrun and Stillman to reinforce and bulk up the D while he likely looked to trade a 3rd and 5th for Greenway. Chychrun fell through and Adams had to bump up his cost to acquire Greenway

Barring a team wanting Comrie; getting a goalie was out of the question due to roster spots and Levi being on his way with leverage.

not sure why Arizona wanted one of or top 2 prospects plus a 1st and settled for a 1st & 2nd (plus a cond 2nd), that seems like 5 steps down.
seems more like the Senators didn't have much competition at the end of the TDL, I doubt Adams was in on that.
if its just bout picks it doesnt make even less sense that they wouldnt take ours since they re about the same draft pos.
Or do you think ARI would have said no if Adams were to throw in an extra pick. he would have beaten the offer with just removing the condition on the second 2nd round pick.

 

[Zman5778]

The only players that should be on next year's roster

Thompson
Tuch
Skinner
Cozens
Quinn
Peterka

Dahlin
Power
Samuelsson

Levi

Every other spot needs to be totally revamped.

Levi should not, in any way shape or form, be on the NHL roster next year aside from an emergency need due to injury. He needs development time in Rochester.

Lyubushkin is a fine 3rd pair RHD -- he has a place here.
Stillman is a fine 3rd pair/#7 defenseman -- he has a place here.
Mitts has a place on this roster.
Krebs has a place on this roster.
Greenway has a place on this roster.
Jost probably has a place on this roster.
Girgensons probably has a place on this roster.....and he'd be absolutely in demand by contenders if he doesn't.

 

[TehDoak]

Hey @TehDoak, did you catch this?



Sportsnet has it as "age restricted"...? Weird. It's Dumba's hit on Kuzentsov over the weekend.

Dumba remains my top UFA D-man target, though I like Severson too. His offensive slow down should keep his price out of the 'stupid dollars' category. The physical stuff is more of a bonus at this point, just a competent D-man who can help cover Power's mistakes would solidify our second pair so much.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

This is my hope to start next season (13 FWs, 8 D-men, ONLY 2 goalies)-

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Peterka
Mittelstadt-Krebs-(gritty two-way FW)
Girgensons-Jost-Greenway
(cycle waiver-exempt FWs to/from Rochester to play during injuries or benchings)

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-(top-4 RHD)
Stillman/Johnson-Lyubushkin/Jokiharju)
Bryson/Stillman/Boosh/Joker (when Johnson is ready start him 3rd pair, move Stillman to extra, waive Bryson)

(new legit starter) - I doubt this happens...so Comrie
UPL

 

[BuffaloGooner]

not sure why Arizona wanted one of or top 2 prospects plus a 1st and settled for a 1st & 2nd (plus a cond 2nd), that seems like 5 steps down.
seems more like the Senators didn't have much competition at the end of the TDL, I doubt Adams was in on that.
if its just bout picks it doesnt make even less sense that they wouldnt take ours since they re about the same draft pos.
Or do you think ARI would have said no if Adams were to throw in an extra pick. he would have beaten the offer with just removing the condition on the second 2nd round pick.

Adams made it clear that what Arizona asked for from us and from Ottawa were completely different and insinuated they asked for one of Kulich/Savoie.

Outside opinion I think Chychrun asked to be moved to Ottawa to be with family.

 

[Sabre the Win]

The only thing thats dead is the horse.

Trust me.. it can get a lot more deader

 

[Mattilaus]

not sure why Arizona wanted one of or top 2 prospects plus a 1st and settled for a 1st & 2nd (plus a cond 2nd), that seems like 5 steps down.
seems more like the Senators didn't have much competition at the end of the TDL, I doubt Adams was in on that.
if its just bout picks it doesnt make even less sense that they wouldnt take ours since they re about the same draft pos.
Or do you think ARI would have said no if Adams were to throw in an extra pick. he would have beaten the offer with just removing the condition on the second 2nd round pick.

This theory only works if you ignore literally everything that was reported by insiders or stated by management. So I am interested to see your evidence that everyone else in the hockey world is lying.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Adams made it clear that what Arizona asked for from us and from Ottawa were completely different and insinuated they asked for one of Kulich/Savoie.

Outside opinion I think Chychrun asked to be moved to Ottawa to be with family.

Didn't Armstrong say Ottawa was where Chychrun wanted to go, and that he had a better offer from another team but Chychrun didn't want to go there? I mean he didn't have any sort of trade protection, but it sounded like they also sent him where he wanted to be.

 

[Chainshot]

After this draft I want to trade every single pick for roster help. We're done with accumulating picks/prospects. The next phase 100% has to start this summer. We have a plethora of high end prospects developing and look to add another 3 in the top 50 of this years deep draft.

They can certainly strike a balance since they still have a couple of 2nds and have clear roster needs.

I don't know if this draft is particularly "deep" beyond the cluster of players at the top 1-4 or 1-5 who probably stack up better than many of the recent drafts and push some depth down a bit and having a better goaltender year, but "deep" may not mean getting a first round rated guy at 45 or even 38 where those picks are today.