Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[TehDoak]

If you really, really, REALLY want to weaponize cap space.....

You take Myers from Vancouver and buy him out. It's a huge hit for 1 year (5.33M next year, 333k the year after). You take Clague to Arbitration so you have a 2nd buyout window, you can do it AFTER his bonus is paid, so the real cash would be tiny (666k over two years)

Something like Myers+Demko+Garland for Comrie+Olofsson or something silly where Vancouver clears a boatload of cap and we get a some good return.

 

[Chainshot]

If you really, really, REALLY want to weaponize cap space.....

You take Myers from Vancouver and buy him out. It's a huge hit for 1 year (5.33M next year, 333k the year after). You take Clague to Arbitration so you have a 2nd buyout window, you can do it AFTER his bonus is paid, so the real cash would be tiny (666k over two years)

Something like Myers+Demko+Garland for Comrie+Olofsson or something silly where Vancouver clears a boatload of cap and we get a some good return.

Vancouver is going to have to make room somehow. I don't know about Garland's deal for three years (looking at it as a summertime deal). Think about how much Marleau cost the Leafs to get out from underneath.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

If you really, really, REALLY want to weaponize cap space.....

You take Myers from Vancouver and buy him out. It's a huge hit for 1 year (5.33M next year, 333k the year after). You take Clague to Arbitration so you have a 2nd buyout window, you can do it AFTER his bonus is paid, so the real cash would be tiny (666k over two years)

Something like Myers+Demko+Garland for Comrie+Olofsson or something silly where Vancouver clears a boatload of cap and we get a some good return.

I like the thinking here but I just can’t see Adams/Pegula wanting to spend money on a buyout.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

So going off KA's intention to acquire a top-four D-man, are any of these guys likely to be targeted by KA or made available by their teams?

CLB - Andrew Peeke, RHD, almost 25 yrs old, new contract starts next season 3 yrs at 2.75 mil, plays 21 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Gudbranson, Boqvist, and Jiricek coming up.

LA - Matt Roy, RHD, just turned 28 yrs old, under contract for one more year at 3.1 mil, plays 18 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Doughty, Walker (who they want to trade), Clarke and Spence ready to come up.

Sea - Will Borgen, RHD, 26 yrs old, pending RFA on a 900k deal, plays 16 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Larsson, Schultz, and Fluery at RD, almost zero cap space with several other RFAs to sign (Geekie, Sprong, Dunn).

So who's the best target, who could KA likely pry away if any, or is there another #4 RHD out there?

 

[Zman5778]

I like the thinking here but I just can’t see Adams/Pegula wanting to spend money on a buyout.

Pegula. Will. Spend. Money.

That's not the issue in any way shape or form The issue is that I don't think taking Myers alone off the Canucks hands is enough for Demko, and I'm not real sure I want anything to do with Garland's contract.

That said -- Demko for UPL and picks? I think I do that.

 

[Fezzy126]

In UPL's last 6 games he's got a GAA north of 5 and .862 sv%, I was kind of expecting to hear about a paper transaction to keep him eligible for the AHL playoffs in case they send him back down.

I guess this means they have no intention of sending him Rochester for the rest of the year.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Pegula. Will. Spend. Money.

That's not the issue in any way shape or form The issue is that I don't think taking Myers alone off the Canucks hands is enough for Demko, and I'm not real sure I want anything to do with Garland's contract.

That said -- Demko for UPL and picks? I think I do that.

I’m not worried about them spending - it’s specifically paying someone NOT to work for them that I suspect they’ve had enough of between both franchises.

 

[Chainshot]

In UPL's last 6 games he's got a GAA north of 5 and .862 sv%, I was kind of expecting to hear about a paper transaction to keep him eligible for the AHL playoffs in case they send him back down.

I guess this means they have no intention of sending him Rochester for the rest of the year.

Correct. He is up. Subban is the Amerks 1, Hauser is the 2.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

A lot of folks saying Adams can still make a trade for D this summer. So let me ask, who are we seeing as possibly available this summer now that so many just moved or extended with their teams? Karlsson, Parayko, maybe Borgen. Who do you have your eye on?

Don't think there will be much in FA, so I'd prefer to focus on trade options.

 

[Gabrielor]

Offseason:

Make a package for markstrom and andersson. Include our 1st, upl, joker, some other stuff.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Offseason:

Make a package for markstrom and andersson. Include our 1st, upl, joker, some other stuff.

When I think of the ideal player to add, it's Andersson. Just hard to see CAL moving on from him. I'll keep the dream alive though.

 

[Fezzy126]

A lot of folks saying Adams can still make a trade for D this summer. So let me ask, who are we seeing as possibly available this summer now that so many just moved or extended with their teams? Karlsson, Parayko, maybe Borgen. Who do you have your eye on?

Don't think there will be much in FA, so I'd prefer to focus on trade options.

There are quite a few interesting UFA names as of right now. I'm sure some will resign, but guys like Orlov, Gavrikov, Dumba, Mayfield, Dumoulin, Severson, Graves, and Gudas are all interesting vets to consider. Guys like TVR, Clifton, and Soucy may also be intersting lower cost options.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

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There are quite a few interesting UFA names as of right now. I'm sure some will resign, but guys like Orlov, Gavrikov, Dumba, Mayfield, Dumoulin, Severson, Graves, and Gudas are all interesting vets to consider. Guys like TVR, Clifton, and Soucy may also be intersting lower cost options.

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I dont love most of those options and the best ones will likely be highly sought after and expensive long term.

Chances are some won't make it to FA either.

I think trade is the more likely route to what we really need.

 

[Zman5778]

A lot of folks saying Adams can still make a trade for D this summer. So let me ask, who are we seeing as possibly available this summer now that so many just moved or extended with their teams? Karlsson, Parayko, maybe Borgen. Who do you have your eye on?

Don't think there will be much in FA, so I'd prefer to focus on trade options.

Kind of all depends on who wants to strip down and to what degree. Just spitballing a few names and teams:

Calgary -- Hanifin might be a guy to watch. He's going into a walk year and I don't think the Flames can afford him. Question is, how much is he going to want to re-sign? Tanev would be a better fit, but how much does he have left?

Chicago -- Connor Murphy's name has been out there for a year. Still interested if he shakes free.

St. Louis -- Faulk and Parayko are the two names that interest me, but both have full no-moves.


I'm sure there will be more out there as teams figure things otu.

 

[Fezzy126]

I dont love most of those options and the best ones will likely be highly sought after and expensive long term.

Chances are some won't make it to FA either.

I think trade is the more likely route to what we really need.

Just for giggles I ran the list of guys will be FAs after the 24-25 season, since guys with 1 year left are the ones most often traded. That list is much uglier

 

[Zman5778]

Just for giggles I ran the list of guys will be FAs after the 24-25 season, since guys with 1 year left are the ones most often traded. That list is much uglier

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Pesce obviously immediately pops, but there is an approximately a 0.0001% chance that Carolina doesn't re-sign him.

I wonder what the Oilers do with Bouchard? Probably a bridge........but I wonder if there's something to monitor there?

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

A lot of folks saying Adams can still make a trade for D this summer. So let me ask, who are we seeing as possibly available this summer now that so many just moved or extended with their teams? Karlsson, Parayko, maybe Borgen. Who do you have your eye on?

Don't think there will be much in FA, so I'd prefer to focus on trade options.

So going off KA's intention to acquire a top-four D-man, are any of these guys likely to be targeted by KA or made available by their teams?

CLB - Andrew Peeke, RHD, almost 25 yrs old, new contract starts next season 3 yrs at 2.75 mil, plays 21 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Gudbranson, Boqvist, and Jiricek coming up.

LA - Matt Roy, RHD, just turned 28 yrs old, under contract for one more year at 3.1 mil, plays 18 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Doughty, Walker (who they want to trade), Clarke and Spence ready to come up.

Sea - Will Borgen, RHD, 26 yrs old, pending RFA on a 900k deal, plays 16 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Larsson, Schultz, and Fluery at RD, almost zero cap space with several other RFAs to sign (Geekie, Sprong, Dunn).

So who's the best target, who could KA likely pry away if any, or is there another #4 RHD out there?

Peeke, Roy, Borgen.

 

[Chainshot]

So going off KA's intention to acquire a top-four D-man, are any of these guys likely to be targeted by KA or made available by their teams?

CLB - Andrew Peeke, RHD, almost 25 yrs old, new contract starts next season 3 yrs at 2.75 mil, plays 21 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Gudbranson, Boqvist, and Jiricek coming up.

LA - Matt Roy, RHD, just turned 28 yrs old, under contract for one more year at 3.1 mil, plays 18 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Doughty, Walker (who they want to trade), Clarke and Spence ready to come up.

Sea - Will Borgen, RHD, 26 yrs old, pending RFA on a 900k deal, plays 16 mins/gm. Why does he get traded - they have Larsson, Schultz, and Fluery at RD, almost zero cap space with several other RFAs to sign (Geekie, Sprong, Dunn).

So who's the best target, who could KA likely pry away if any, or is there another #4 RHD out there?

I hope they are able to hunt up a solid defenseman who we just don't have on our radar like how Pittsburgh landed (and then played) John Marino. Or the Devils getting Siegenthaler because the Caps were up against the cap or Graves in a small move from the Avs.

Thinking about guys who might be someone who can step up into the role:

Jonathan Kovacevic from Montreal. 6'4", 208 lbs, RHD, 25 now and will turn 26 in the summer; drafted and developed by Winnipeg and they lost him on waivers at the start of this season. He has really good metrics and averages over 16 minutes a night for the Habs. He's a bit high on giveaways and modestly in the middle of the pack in hits and blocks among their defensemen, but his Corsi against and expected stuff are really strong despite the Habs problems.

Juuso Valimaki in Arizona, 6'2", 212 lbs, LHD, 24 now and will turn 25 on the eve of next season; drafted and developed in Calgary but another waiver claim this year who has broken out in Arizona who extended him for next season. He'll be on a cheap $1M AAV deal and is RFA afterward. For some reason, he has some kick ass impacts with Arizona. He looks like how he was thought to be when drafted. Also a 16 minute a night guy for Arizona, though that puts him 5th on the team thus far though three of those guys have been dealt.

Then there are the more unconventional thoughts - Jake Livingstone, UDFA RHD out of Minnesota St. (Mankato) or Grigory Dronov LHD from the KHL. Kick over some ant hills in the search, but the way a few teams have struck gold with their mid-pairing guys has been in non-standard ways.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Calgary looks like the most obvious place to go shopping in the offseason. The problem is - i don't see them moving the guys i'd want the most (Weegar, Andersson). I'd give up major pieces for either of them.

Hanifin is an interesting one. You're definately going to play him at LD on his own pair - Dahlin's #1 pair with Power/Hanifin #2A/2B pairs behind? It might work & I've liked him as a player since his draft year. Not sure it's the most conventional way to build though. It would depend on cost & what else was out there.

Tanev would have been the perfect target five years ago. Without any prospects on the way though - a guy in his 30s isn't going to get it done.

 

[michaelsaas]

This is probably a dumb insomnia induced question but if you were GM (not you thinking as KA, but yourself) and Granato during the off-season tells you - "I know our defense was bad - we are going to fix that in camp and implement a much more defensively responsible system"

Does it have any impact on how you approach off-season?

Do you still feel a need to improve goal? do you stick with a UPL/Comrie duo who have both shown flashes of competency and are young/cheap.

What other ways might this change your off-season to-do list? or not?

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

A lot of folks saying Adams can still make a trade for D this summer. So let me ask, who are we seeing as possibly available this summer now that so many just moved or extended with their teams? Karlsson, Parayko, maybe Borgen. Who do you have your eye on?

Don't think there will be much in FA, so I'd prefer to focus on trade options.

Trades: Hanifin, Tanev, Roy, DeMelo, Dillon, Murphy, Girard

FAs: Orlov, Gavrikov, Severson, Mayfield, Dumba

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Look at the forward group moving ahead. Let's imagine they progress as much as possible by next year - Kulich is ready for the NHL & the current whipping boys Mittelstadt & Olofsson are both moved on - the lineup could look like:

Skinner - Thompson - Tuch
Greenway - Cozens - Quinn
Kulich - Krebs - Peterka
Girgensons - Jost - Okposo (this could be anyone since all guys are FA's)

It's going to be incredibly difficult for any of our other young guys to crack this lineup. It's very young with the top 9 all considered 'long term' pieces. You're not bringing them in to play the fourth line roles either - if the likes of Girgensons/Okposo walk then suitable replacements will need to be found elsewhere.

To optimise his available assets - Adams will HAVE to make trades which hurt anyone attached to high picks/prospects. He's backed himself into this corner by thus far employing a one dimensional approach to drafting.

I'm still very bullish on the future. We could theoretically ice the above group & comfortably have enough remaining assets to acquire a stud defenseman/legitimate #1 goalie. But these are big moves to make. I'm not 100% confident that Adams will be brave enough to get that done...

 

[TehDoak]

Vancouver is going to have to make room somehow. I don't know about Garland's deal for three years (looking at it as a summertime deal). Think about how much Marleau cost the Leafs to get out from underneath.

I like the thinking here but I just can’t see Adams/Pegula wanting to spend money on a buyout.

Like I said, it'd be like 5.3M in dead cap and 666k in actual cash if we took Myers post 7/1 bonus. Maybe they'd rather just play him as a bottom pair RHD at that point. (though, we already have Lybushkin for that role)

Budget is still very much an issue still, judging by the fact he had to move Bjork (1.6M) and Asplund (800k) to make wway for Greenway (3.0M). Of course, he added Stillman with no offset, so it's not as tight as it was last year. But still there. I'm hopefully they'll spend to the mid point this year....but who knows.

 

[TehDoak]

Look at the forward group moving ahead. Let's imagine they progress as much as possible by next year - Kulich is ready for the NHL & the current whipping boys Mittelstadt & Olofsson are both moved on - the lineup could look like:

Skinner - Thompson - Tuch
Greenway - Cozens - Quinn
Kulich - Krebs - Peterka
Girgensons - Jost - Okposo (this could be anyone since all guys are FA's)

It's going to be incredibly difficult for any of our other young guys to crack this lineup. It's very young with the top 9 all considered 'long term' pieces. You're not bringing them in to play the fourth line roles either - if the likes of Girgensons/Okposo walk then suitable replacements will need to be found elsewhere.

To optimise his available assets - Adams will HAVE to make trades which hurt anyone attached to high picks/prospects. He's backed himself into this corner by thus far employing a one dimensional approach to drafting.

I'm still very bullish on the future. We could theoretically ice the above group & comfortably have enough remaining assets to acquire a stud defenseman/legitimate #1 goalie. But these are big moves to make. I'm not 100% confident that Adams will be brave enough to get that done...

I mean, it's not going to be an issue until these AHL guys become waiver eligible. And it'll be more of a problem the more success the players have. It's going to require some detachment from the players to make tough moves....which Adams doesn't appear to have.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I mean, it's not going to be an issue until these AHL guys become waiver eligible. And it'll be more of a problem the more success the players have. It's going to require some detachment from the players to make tough moves....which Adams doesn't appear to have.

It could well become an issue before that point though - if we get to the point where some of these other guys are being 'blocked' the smart thing for Adams to do would be to trade them before their value starts to diminish and/or their development starts to get stunted.

Your last sentence... is exactly what I'm worried about.