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Sabresfansince1980 said:
I agree with the general sentiment, but there is a rather big difference between MItts and Olofsson in regard to defensive responsibility, and board work.
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Mitts has elevated his game this year.

However, if you step back...he has pretty average production.

I don't have a problem keeping him (much rather move Olofsson at this point), but I would have a problem with a long (over 3 year) extension, especially given the volume of draft capital we've spent on forwards.
 
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TehDoak said:
Mitts has elevated his game this year.

However, if you step back...he has pretty average production.

I don't have a problem keeping him (much rather move Olofsson at this point), but I would have a problem with a long (over 3 year) extension, especially given the volume of draft capital we've spent on forwards.
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Perhaps, but on the flip side, Mittelstadt has had his best year pts wise while playing the majority of the season saddled to Jost and Olofsson. 8 of Olofsson's 23 goals are on the PP or ENG. He's surged lately, not just coincidentally playing next to Cozens. I think Mitts has more to offer yet, and is one of the guys you keep as you build out a solid top 9 with prospects.
 
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TehDoak said:
Mitts has elevated his game this year.

However, if you step back...he has pretty average production.

I don't have a problem keeping him (much rather move Olofsson at this point), but I would have a problem with a long (over 3 year) extension, especially given the volume of draft capital we've spent on forwards.
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I agree with this but I would add a 3 year extension at a reasonable number with no trade protection wouldn't bother me because I think he would still be a tradeable asset even if we decide to move on from him.

And I have been on the move Olofsson train since last season (as I believe you have too, if not longer).
 
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I didn't leave it out. You said Mitts and Olofsson are why we are near the top in scoring, and you suggested we need to acquire players that will support them defensively. I think that is a very inefficient concept.

Instead, I think middle six wingers need to be able to both score, and defend, at any ratio that leads to a net positive goal differential and net positive effect on winning games. Mitts and Olofsson have not done that. Mitts has become more serviceable on the wing, but is going to be serviceable at best.

Do you want to be a playoff team and be among the top teams in the league someday? Then we need to raise the bar....ALOT! We need to stop being emotionally attached to flawed players, and start making moves and taking steps toward building a better team. Has to start with better players.
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I think guys like Mitts and Olofsson on your 3rd line is a big part of why we're close to the top of the league in scoring. Secondary scoring is a good thing.

Ideally, you'd just want to support them with players who bring other things like being good defensively, PK, physicality, etc. And ideally, you'd find guys who can give you both, or develop them.

For now, I am happy to have both.
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I will admit my post was not very well written, but you again completely ignored half of it so that you could make a very similar point. I pretty clearly said "ideally you'd have players that can give you both (secondary scoring and defensive ability)." I also said I was happy FOR NOW.

Yes, I know Mitts and Olofsson aren't the ideal players on a contender. F***ing DUH. I was simply saying that for this season, I'm ok with what they bring to the table because it hasn't been completely worthless. We have other potential bottom 6 forwards who may be better overall players in the pipeline, so I'm not that urgent to replace them now. We have bigger long term needs at D and G. I've been very consistent with this take for over a year.
 
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The year is 2027. A 28 year old Casey Mittelstadt hits 50 points for the first time. He’s a -15. The Sabres drought is old enough to drive.
 
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TheBarnIsElectric said:
I will admit my post was not very well written, but you again completely ignored half of it so that you could make a very similar point. I pretty clearly said "ideally you'd have players that can give you both (secondary scoring and defensive ability)." I also said I was happy FOR NOW.

Yes, I know Mitts and Olofsson aren't the ideal players on a contender. F***ing DUH. I was simply saying that for this season, I'm ok with what they bring to the table because it hasn't been completely worthless. We have other potential bottom 6 forwards who may be better overall players in the pipeline, so I'm not that urgent to replace them now. We have bigger long term needs at D and G. I've been very consistent with this take for over a year.
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Fair enough. I am one that once I make my analysis and find that something needs to be done, I don't put it off if I can reasonably do something about it now. There will be other issues to deal with in the future and you just can't keep punting. SO I am not OK with it for now. Just a different level or urgency.

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TehDoak said:
Mitts has elevated his game this year.

However, if you step back...he has pretty average production.

I don't have a problem keeping him (much rather move Olofsson at this point), but I would have a problem with a long (over 3 year) extension, especially given the volume of draft capital we've spent on forwards.
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And it’s ok to have average players. I agree with this, olofsson needs to gitttt out
 
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MOGlLNY said:
And it’s ok to have average players. I agree with this, olofsson needs to gitttt out
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It IS Ok to have average players

It is NOT OK to give average players big contracts/term beyond their peak production.

Especially when we've spent massive draft capital on the forward group. I'd probably be OK with overspending on a perfect fit 'average' 2nd pair d-man simply because we don't have the pieces coming internally to fill that role.
 
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Blueger and Lazar both fit the 4th line C who would help with the PK/faceoffs mold. Blueger went for a 3rd, Lazar for a 4th. Other than Derek Grant, not sure who else is out there for that cheap.
 
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TehDoak said:
It IS Ok to have average players

It is NOT OK to give average players big contracts/term beyond their peak production.

Especially when we've spent massive draft capital on the forward group. I'd probably be OK with overspending on a perfect fit 'average' 2nd pair d-man simply because we don't have the pieces coming internally to fill that role.
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I don't see them signing Mitts long term honestly.
 
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Chainshot said:
I don't want to think that this is the team they basically run back next year. But that is what I think at this point.
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They are so bad at defending and preventing rushes in the other direction -- almost as bad as the tank years. If they can fix that, they might not need much else...though one or three bottom 6/bottom pairing upgrades might help too.

But with 23 guys on the team, the biggest improvement will come from development in the GA department.
 
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The only proof we have that Adams even knows what the problems are is that Bryson and Clague are now threatened with a third bad defensive option.
 
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