Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[wunderpanda]

does that include ben bishop ltir and the coho buyout?

 

[Jim Bob]

does that include ben bishop ltir and the coho buyout?

It looks like it does.

It also appears to include the $857,143 that Ehrhoff is getting this year.

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It may also include the $3.5M or so in performance bonuses for players like Anderson and the guys on ELCs.

 

[BFLO]

Starting to feel like there's going to be very little movement by the Sabres in the offseason.

The entire defense is signed through next season. So I don't expect any moves there.

Comrie and UPL are signed. No moves there.

Okposo, Girgs, Jost, Hino. I think they bring back 3 out of the 4.

I see us picking up a 4th line/ahl tweener well after the dust has settled and there's nothing but scraps left.

Think a Caggula or Deslauries type.

 

[TehDoak]

Ooof, I didn't know Blueger got moved. Would have been a good fit in the bottom 6. Though I doubt Pittsburgh moves him to a team chasing them in the playoffs.

 

[Ace]

This season was all about planting the seeds and watching them grow without watering them or putting them in direct sunlight.

 

[TehDoak]

Starting to feel like there's going to be very little movement by the Sabres in the offseason.

The entire defense is signed through next season. So I don't expect any moves there.

Comrie and UPL are signed. No moves there.

Okposo, Girgs, Jost, Hino. I think they bring back 3 out of the 4.

I see us picking up a 4th line/ahl tweener well after the dust has settled and there's nothing but scraps left.

Think a Caggula or Deslauries type.

Jeez man, even I think that's depressing

I don't think we'll see the scale of fine tuning this roster needs to be a solid lock of a playoff team, however, I think we'll see one larger move and several small ones.

This season was all about planting the seeds and watching them grow without watering them or putting them in direct sunlight.

....this is a spot on analogy. "Missed opportunity" is really the phrase that comes to mind the most.

 

[Jim Bob]

Jeez man, even I think that's depressing

I don't think we'll see the scale of fine tuning this roster needs to be a solid lock of a playoff team, however, I think we'll see one larger move and several small ones.

I have a feeling that how they approach the off season will be hugely affected by how the rest of the season goes and the willingness of guys like Girgensons and Okposo to re-sign on one year deals.

If Okposo and Girgensons aren't back, I think Adams will feel the need to replace their veteran leadership and will not want to replace the veteran influence of Anderson, Okposo, and Girgensons with young guys.

Making the youngest team in the NHL this season a whole lot younger next year may not be something that they want to do.

But, if they get in the playoffs and Girgensons and Okposo come back, I doubt you see Adams make a big move.

In that scenario, I would hope that he would look to make a meaningful move in goal. But, I won't be shocked if it is UPL & Comrie next season despite the grumbling from fans.

 

[TehDoak]

My ideal roster move for today:

To Nashville: One of Mittelstadt/Olofsson, 2023 1st (top 10 protected), 2023 2nd
To Buffalo: Fabbro and Sissons

My "Absolute Bare minimum acceptable" move for today:

To Buffalo: Derek Grant
To Anaheim: 3rd round pick

 

[Beerz]

My ideal roster move for today:

To Nashville: One of Mittelstadt/Olofsson, 2023 1st (top 10 protected), 2023 2nd
To Buffalo: Fabbro and Sissons

My "Absolute Bare minimum acceptable" move for today:

To Buffalo: Derek Grant
To Anaheim: 3rd round pick

That Nashville trade seems like a huge overpay.

 

[Jim Bob]

My ideal roster move for today:

To Nashville: One of Mittelstadt/Olofsson, 2023 1st (top 10 protected), 2023 2nd
To Buffalo: Fabbro and Sissons

My "Absolute Bare minimum acceptable" move for today:

To Buffalo: Derek Grant
To Anaheim: 3rd round pick

I doubt Adams is willing to move his '23 1st or Mitts or VO.

 

[TehDoak]

I have a feeling that how they approach the off season will be hugely affected by how the rest of the season goes and the willingness of guys like Girgensons and Okposo to re-sign on one year deals.

If Okposo and Girgensons aren't back, I think Adams will feel the need to replace their veteran leadership and will not want to replace the veteran influence of Anderson, Okposo, and Girgensons with young guys.

Making the youngest team in the NHL this season a whole lot younger next year may not be something that they want to do.

But, if they get in the playoffs and Girgensons and Okposo come back, I doubt you see Adams make a big move.

In that scenario, I would hope that he would look to make a meaningful move in goal. But, I won't be shocked if it is UPL & Comrie next season despite the grumbling from fans.

Eh, I doubt Okposo comes back, at least as a player. he's one bad hit away from a disaster.

Girgensons and his wife just had a kid here. I think he does come back. He's young enough you can do a 3-4 year deal with and be fine.

The issue is going to be that, realistically, you need to a revamp of the bottom 6 forward group.

And adding a goalie

AND adding a top 4 d-man.

It's going to require them cutting guys who have been here awhile, making tough decisions on players, and maybe even a buyout. Things Adams simply has not been willing to do during his 3 years as GM.

I think we'll get maybe a top 4 d-man this summer.

That Nashville trade seems like a huge overpay.

I doubt Adams is willing to move his '23 1st or Mitts or VO.

Eh, it is. But, Fabbro is a young top 4 RHD with team control. They cost a 1st (see the Hronek deal). Sissons costs a 2nd +. The forward out is to simply make the money and roster space work.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Starting to feel like there's going to be very little movement by the Sabres in the offseason.

The entire defense is signed through next season. So I don't expect any moves there.

Comrie and UPL are signed. No moves there.

Okposo, Girgs, Jost, Hino. I think they bring back 3 out of the 4.

I see us picking up a 4th line/ahl tweener well after the dust has settled and there's nothing but scraps left.

Think a Caggula or Deslauries type.

I agree. It will mostly be the same roster. The only hope/expectation I had was for a #4 or #5 Dman, but the Stillman trade seems like he is supposed to be that player...which is terrible. It will be UPL/Comrie, and Okposo probably re-signs at about half salary because of vibes, leadership, and laziness to go get anyone better. I'm fine with Girgensons and Jost coming back, as long as Jost is the 4C or 13th FW.

KA is going to rely completely on internal growth and development. That boils down to these players getting better...

Moderate improvement - Thompson, Cozens, Mittelstadt, Jokiharju.
Major improvement - Quinn, Peterka, Krebs, Samuelsson, Power, UPL.

Players that are good as is - Skinner, Tuch, Girgensons, Dahlin.
Players that we're stuck with - Okposo, Olofsson, Jost, Asplund, Lyubushkin, Bryson, Stillman, Clague, Comrie.

 

[Beerz]

Eh, I doubt Okposo comes back, at least as a player. he's one bad hit away from a disaster.

Girgensons and his wife just had a kid here. I think he does come back. He's young enough you can do a 3-4 year deal with and be fine.

The issue is going to be that, realistically, you need to a revamp of the bottom 6 forward group.

And adding a goalie

AND adding a top 4 d-man.

It's going to require them cutting guys who have been here awhile, making tough decisions on players, and maybe even a buyout. Things Adams simply has not been willing to do during his 3 years as GM.

I think we'll get maybe a top 4 d-man this summer.





Eh, it is. But, Fabbro is a young top 4 RHD with team control. They cost a 1st (see the Hronek deal). Sissons costs a 2nd +. The forward out is to simply make the money and roster space work.

I'm not paying a 1st for Fabbro.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm not paying a 1st for Fabbro.

Fabbro is a guy that I think Sabres fans are overrating because the Sabres haven't made a move yet.

And the important thing is that if Adams was unwilling to move that '23 1st for Chychrun, there is no way I see him moving it for Fabbro.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

KA doesn't do anything today. I actually hope he doesn't because there's nobody worth a trade out there anymore.

 

[Jim Bob]

Eh, I doubt Okposo comes back, at least as a player. he's one bad hit away from a disaster.

Girgensons and his wife just had a kid here. I think he does come back. He's young enough you can do a 3-4 year deal with and be fine.

The issue is going to be that, realistically, you need to a revamp of the bottom 6 forward group.

And adding a goalie

AND adding a top 4 d-man.

It's going to require them cutting guys who have been here awhile, making tough decisions on players, and maybe even a buyout. Things Adams simply has not been willing to do during his 3 years as GM.

I think we'll get maybe a top 4 d-man this summer.

I could see Okposo taking it year to year at this point. The concerns about his long term health seem to be more a fan thing than something he is really worried about.

And about the revamping the bottom six and adding a top 4 D, I do not believe that is the way that Adams views the roster, especially if they make the playoffs.

I want a solid upgrade when it comes to Power's partner.

I would love to see them upgrade from at least VO on the third line. If Girgensons and/or Okposo aren't back, I would love to see them add a really solid and physical 4th line winger(s) to replace them.

But, just because that is how I view things does not mean that Adams and company view things the same way.

I think Adams will remain way more patient than the vast majority of fans.

 

[TehDoak]

Eh, I'd also take Greenway for a 3rd as an acceptable deal.

Give me both Greenway and Grant now that I think about it for a hot minute.

Skinner-Thompson-Quinn
Greenway-Cozens-Peterka
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Olofsson
Girgensons-Grant-Okposo

 

[Dubi Doo]

KA doesn't do anything today. I actually hope he doesn't because there's nobody worth a trade out there anymore.

It'd have to be out of no where. AZ or Nashville seem to be the only two teams Adams could get a valuable player who isn't just a rental. Im prepared to be disappointed.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Eh, I'd also take Greenway for a 3rd as an acceptable deal.

Give me both Greenway and Grant now that I think about it for a hot minute.

Skinner-Thompson-Quinn
Greenway-Cozens-Peterka
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Olofsson
Girgensons-Grant-Okposo

Pretty sure Guerin is valuing Greenway way too high right now judging by the main forum thread on him being available.

Probably saw what Tampa gave up for Jeannot, and is now asking for the moon and the stars. He'd be a solid add, but I'm not sure a 3rd gets it done.

 

[Jim Bob]

Eh, I'd also take Greenway for a 3rd as an acceptable deal.

Give me both Greenway and Grant now that I think about it for a hot minute.

Skinner-Thompson-Quinn
Greenway-Cozens-Peterka
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Olofsson
Girgensons-Grant-Okposo

I wonder if Asplund for Greenway is something that Billy G would be interested in?

 

[Bendium]

So you're saying we need more players who are good defensively? That kind of sounds like the part of my quote that you left out.

I didn't leave it out. You said Mitts and Olofsson are why we are near the top in scoring, and you suggested we need to acquire players that will support them defensively. I think that is a very inefficient concept.

Instead, I think middle six wingers need to be able to both score, and defend, at any ratio that leads to a net positive goal differential and net positive effect on winning games. Mitts and Olofsson have not done that. Mitts has become more serviceable on the wing, but is going to be serviceable at best.

Do you want to be a playoff team and be among the top teams in the league someday? Then we need to raise the bar....ALOT! We need to stop being emotionally attached to flawed players, and start making moves and taking steps toward building a better team. Has to start with better players.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I didn't leave it out. You said Mitts and Olofsson are why we are near the top in scoring, and you suggested we need to acquire players that will support them defensively. I think that is a very inefficient concept.

Instead, I think middle six wingers need to be able to both score, and defend, at any ratio that leads to a net positive goal differential and net positive effect on winning games. Mitts and Olofsson have not done that. Mitts has become more serviceable on the wing, but is going to be serviceable at best.

Do you want to be a playoff team and be among the top teams in the league someday? Then we need to raise the bar....ALOT! We need to stop being emotionally attached to flawed players, and start making moves and taking steps toward building a better team. Has to start with better players.

I agree with the general sentiment, but there is a rather big difference between MItts and Olofsson in regard to defensive responsibility, and board work.

 

[StlSwedes]

The majority of the names traded at the deadline are UFA's this summer. If any of them are truly a part of the puzzle for the Sabres they are available in a few months free of charge.

At some point, Adams will need to look to add a piece or two through trade of free agency which he views as a CORE piece.

My view is the Sabres need 3 additions plus the replacement for whoever doesn't make it back next year.

1. Top-15 goalie in 'Goals Saves Above Expected' under the age of 31 signed to a 4-year deal.​

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2. True top 4 RHD who pays a similar game to Sammy with the emphasis on physicality and PK. Age range 26-31. I think the Sabres could give term here for a solid deal for the right player. Just need a veteran on defence who can soak up difficult minutes, defensive zone starts and PK. Little offense is needed, but the ability to transition is a must for the Sabres style,​

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3. Top 9 forward with playoff experience, leader, sandpaper, 20-goal scorer, physical. Another locker room leader, who is tough to play against, and can help close out 3rd periods.​

I think Craig Anderson, Vinnie, and Kyle are all gone. Not sure about Zemgus. I think having a spot open for a rookie makes sense but a veteran to compete for it, but I'll take sandpaper over skill/speed.

 

[Bendium]

I agree with the general sentiment, but there is a rather big difference between Mitts and Olofsson in regard to defensive responsibility, and board work.

I agree there is a difference, Mitts is more balanced and will backcheck. I wanted Olofsson traded this year, because he was worth more at this deadline than he will be in the offseason, and I firmly believe he can be replaced with a net positive player and it will help this team alot.

Mitts is not as high on my list, but he IS on the list to be replaced with an improvement. The problem with Mitts is the same we has with Risto, and it is on the mental processing side, not the skill and compete side. Mitts is erratic and chaotic with his decision making and that makes him hard to play with. His whole line gets slowed down by it and underperforms. Now this effect has been greatly diminished by moving him to the wing where his responsibilities are lessened and so the mental side is less impactful. He may yet become a serviceable on the wing, but its going to be at a higher term and AAV than I want to pay for what he brings.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

The majority of the names traded at the deadline are UFA's this summer. If any of them are truly a part of the puzzle for the Sabres they are available in a few months free of charge.

At some point, Adams will need to look to add a piece or two through trade of free agency which he views as a CORE piece.

My view is the Sabres need 3 additions plus the replacement for whoever doesn't make it back next year.

1. Top-15 goalie in 'Goals Saves Above Expected' under the age of 31 signed to a 4-year deal.​

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2. True top 4 RHD who pays a similar game to Sammy with the emphasis on physicality and PK. Age range 26-31. I think the Sabres could give term here for a solid deal for the right player. Just need a veteran on defence who can soak up difficult minutes, defensive zone starts and PK. Little offense is needed, but the ability to transition is a must for the Sabres style,​

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3. Top 9 forward with playoff experience, leader, sandpaper, 20-goal scorer, physical. Another locker room leader, who is tough to play against, and can help close out 3rd periods.​

I think Craig Anderson, Vinnie, and Kyle are all gone. Not sure about Zemgus. I think having a spot open for a rookie makes sense but a veteran to compete for it, but I'll take sandpaper over skill/speed.

1. Goalie - I don't see KA adding another. He's going to run with UPL/Comrie and wait for Levi...boring but true. I wanted a better goalie add than Comrie but here we are.

2 Top 4 RHD - I totally agree. I want to trade for Matt Roy once/if LA feels good with their younger RHDs getting a starting role. I don't think KA feels the need though, so I don't expect anything.

3. Top 9 FW - KA probably thinks Jost is that guy. But even though Jost should be a 4C at best, Krebs may elevate into that player long enough for Kulich or Savoie to be impact starters.