Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[VinceFerrol]

So, who gets waived now?

Has to be Clague I assume

 

[jcbeze]

So, who gets waived now?

Has to be Clague I assume

They could paper move UPL to Roch

 

[VinceFerrol]

They could paper move UPL to Roch

That would be smart

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Clague makes the most sense.

 

[Dubi Doo]

So, who gets waived now?

Has to be Clague I assume

Clague makes the most sense.

Yup. Taking a look at mins played among defensemen- and the choice seems obvious. I don't think they trust Clague at all. Hopefully Stillman will be an upgrade.

 

[Jacob582]

After the trade deadline the 23 man roster limit goes away. Just paper transaction UPL for a day or two then you don't have to waive anyone.

 

[Ehran]

After the trade deadline the 23 man roster limit goes away. Just paper transaction UPL for a day or two then you don't have to waive anyone.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after the trade deadline aren't you limited to a total of 4 recalls (excluding emergency / illness / injury) recalls?

If so, then paper transactioning UPL would take up one of those limited recalls.

 

[Gras]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after the trade deadline aren't you limited to a total of 4 recalls (excluding emergency / illness / injury) recalls?

If so, then paper transactioning UPL would take up one of those limited recalls.

But it can also mean he can go down for the AHL playoffs.

 

[Ehran]

But it can also mean he can go down for the AHL playoffs.

Oh. Now that's a good point.

 

[Sabretooth]

There are usually paper transactions around the trade deadline anyways in order to gain eligibility for the AHL playoffs, no? The restriction to that is the limit on post TDL non-emergency recalls.

UPL seems obvious for that type of move. Wouldn't be surprised if there were more.

 

[Dirty Dog]

You know what, I’m happy the Sabres recognize their third pairing should be a physical, hard-hitting pairing. Maybe Stillman will play that role well, or maybe not, but I’m happy they are giving it a go.

I still think we need a better partner for Power, but that doesn’t mean we can’t upgrade the third pairing.

Team Stillman-Boosh baby!!!!

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

You know what, I’m happy the Sabres recognize their third pairing should be a physical, hard-hitting pairing. Maybe Stillman will play that role well, or maybe not, but I’m happy they are giving it a go.

I still think we need a better partner for Power, but that doesn’t mean we can’t upgrade the third pairing.

Team Stillman-Boosh baby!!!!

They can both for sure bring the physicality and can be pains in the ass for teams but I can envision a lot of miscues and turnovers between those 2 at the same time...

Hope I am wrong

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

You know what, I’m happy the Sabres recognize their third pairing should be a physical, hard-hitting pairing. Maybe Stillman will play that role well, or maybe not, but I’m happy they are giving it a go.

I still think we need a better partner for Power, but that doesn’t mean we can’t upgrade the third pairing.

Team Stillman-Boosh baby!!!!

this obsession people have with physical play like it translates into anything, it hasnt since scott stevens retired

whats rewarded in the NHL is cheating, you dont want physical players you want guys that slash, elbow, and cheap shot, because the only reward for physical play is if you hurt someone or get them to retaliate

body checks are actively bad, while you're laying a hit on kucherov, stamkos is walking around you

if you're playing the game, you want guys that try to injure, not guys that are physical, you want dirty players, the players that should have been long forced out of the league

disgusting, but thats bettman's nhl

I understand why its still called physical play, that used to be hockey, but tampa isnt physical theyre dirty, boston isnt physical theyre dirty, if you want to try and win playing physical hockey you need to play dirty hockey

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

this obsession people have with physical play like it translates into anything, it hasnt since scott stevens retired

whats rewarded in the NHL is cheating, you dont want physical players you want guys that slash, elbow, and cheap shot, because the only reward for physical play is if you hurt someone or get them to retaliate

body checks are actively bad, while you're laying a hit on kucherov, stamkos is walking around you

if you're playing the game, you want guys that try to injure, not guys that are physical, you want dirty players, the players that should have been long forced out of the league

disgusting, but thats bettman's nhl

I understand why its still called physical play, that used to be hockey, but tampa isnt physical theyre dirty, boston isnt physical theyre dirty, if you want to try and win playing physical hockey you need to play dirty hockey

I think physicality and dirty can kinda go hand and hand... Cernak is physical and can make dirty plays, same with Tom Wilson, Hathaway, Trouba, Maroon, Reaves. One thing all these players have in common? They're all on playoff/cup contenders... People may hate the obsession of wanting physical players but if you would to go far in the playoffs and potentially win a Stanley Cup, you need those type of players.

 

[Jim Bob]

this obsession people have with physical play like it translates into anything, it hasnt since scott stevens retired

whats rewarded in the NHL is cheating, you dont want physical players you want guys that slash, elbow, and cheap shot, because the only reward for physical play is if you hurt someone or get them to retaliate

body checks are actively bad, while you're laying a hit on kucherov, stamkos is walking around you

if you're playing the game, you want guys that try to injure, not guys that are physical, you want dirty players, the players that should have been long forced out of the league

disgusting, but thats bettman's nhl

I understand why its still called physical play, that used to be hockey, but tampa isnt physical theyre dirty, boston isnt physical theyre dirty, if you want to try and win playing physical hockey you need to play dirty hockey

It is an imperfect state, but TBL is 10th, Boston is 15th, and the Sabres are DFL at 32nd in Hits/60.

There are multiple ways to win in the NHL,

Just look at the bottom 5 in Hits/60. You have the Sabres who are a bubble team, two horrible teams (Anaheim & Montreal) and two really good teams (Carolina & NJ).

The top 5 is a mixed bag, too in Pittsburgh, Nashville, Ottawa, Philly, and NYI.

If you use PIM/GP, TBL is 5th most and Boston is 11th and the Sabres are 28th.

 

[TehDoak]

Per Nashville fans on the main board, their expectation on Sissons would be something like a 2nd + mid round pick. Add him to the list (and he's not a rental)

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

It is an imperfect state, but TBL is 10th, Boston is 15th, and the Sabres are DFL at 32nd in Hits/60.

There are multiple ways to win in the NHL,

Just look at the bottom 5 in Hits/60. You have the Sabres who are a bubble team, two horrible teams (Anaheim & Montreal) and two really good teams (Carolina & NJ).

The top 5 is a mixed bag, too in Pittsburgh, Nashville, Ottawa, Philly, and NYI.

If you use PIM/GP, TBL is 5th most and Boston is 11th and the Sabres are 28th.

ya its almost like any connection between wins and physical play is weak at best

 

[WiHockeyGuy]

Per Nashville fans on the main board, their expectation on Sissons would be something like a 2nd + mid round pick. Add him to the list (and he's not a rental)

I'd do that, 100%.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Per Nashville fans on the main board, their expectation on Sissons would be something like a 2nd + mid round pick. Add him to the list (and he's not a rental)

I'd definitely do that, but at current selling price who f***in knows what it could end up being.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

I think physicality and dirty can kinda go hand and hand... Cernak is physical and can make dirty plays, same with Tom Wilson, Hathaway, Trouba, Maroon, Reaves. One thing all these players have in common? They're all on playoff/cup contenders... People may hate the obsession of wanting physical players but if you would to go far in the playoffs and potentially win a Stanley Cup, you need those type of players.

physical and dirty do

just like protein and salt go together with a steak, but the salts why the fans buy the jerseys and the proteins why you need it, but you can get that protein without the salt, and you might be less happy with unsalted beef but youll live longer than trying to live without protein

just to clarify, this is in no way an opinion i hold very tightly, just an observation from watching non-sabres hockey the last decade

skilled teams rarely miss the playoffs without external factors, physical teams Id suggest are probably all over the board because its at best very weakly tied to winning, thats with 0 research done so if you have a study somewhere that ranks the physical play of playoff teams vs non playoff teams im open to it, but my starting hypothesis is that it doesn't

 

[Jim Bob]

ya its almost like any connection between wins and physical play is weak at best

Any connection between any one attribute and wins tends to be imperfect.

For instance, SJ is 3rd in the NHL in PK% and the Sabres are 31st.

The Islanders are 8th in GA/GP and the Sabres are 24th.

The Blackhawks are 3rd in FOW% and the Sabres are 29th.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Any connection between any one attribute and wins tends to be imperfect.

For instance, SJ is 3rd in the NHL in PK% and the Sabres are 31st.

The Islanders are 8th in GA/GP and the Sabres are 24th.

The Blackhawks are 3rd in FOW% and the Sabres are 29th.

a post thats right on the point while being unaware of what the point is

thank you though for show casing that bad metrics dont correlate to movement in the standings

for instance when a team spends 10% of a game on the pk there's probably something else we should look at for wins and losses

goals against doesnt matter unless also shown in context of goals for

and fow%... this is how I know you missed my point, because arguing against checking being a relevant stat for predicting team success then you post several other examples of stats that are bad predictors for team success, thats my point, there are stats that are bad predictors of success, hits per game is 1 of them and probably a worse 1 than +/-

and this point is in service of furthering the point that the counter to physical teams isnt to get down in the trenches and try to out physical them, either start hacking and wacking and win the injury battle knowing the refs arent going to call it or just skate away from them

and even the goonery point is saying that the best way to win is to eliminate the skill in the game, and chasing checks eliminates your skill not the other way around

 

[Chainshot]

physical and dirty do

just like protein and salt go together with a steak, but the salts why the fans buy the jerseys and the proteins why you need it, but you can get that protein without the salt, and you might be less happy with unsalted beef but youll live longer than trying to live without protein

just to clarify, this is in no way an opinion i hold very tightly, just an observation from watching non-sabres hockey the last decade

skilled teams rarely miss the playoffs without external factors, physical teams Id suggest are probably all over the board because its at best very weakly tied to winning, thats with 0 research done so if you have a study somewhere that ranks the physical play of playoff teams vs non playoff teams im open to it, but my starting hypothesis is that it doesn't

High skill teams that play a scummy game have a lot of Cup wins in the last decade. The Lightning are poster children for not only having depth guys who do it, but their best often do it too. Same thing in Boston and for the decade prior, Pittsburgh. In the east, the best have hard players to play against at the top of the lineup because they will elbow someone in the jaw, or chop off a finger tip with a slash, or kick someone's legs out in a scrum. Tampa seems to know this most of all which is why they regularly get guys who play that way but they also get that out of Stamkos and Kucherov and Hedman. Florida is trying to contend and they went in for some of it too with guys like Bennett and Tkachuk as well as their depth guys like Lomberg or Acciari when he was there. The Sens have a bit with how Tkachuk and Batherson play but I don't see it yet out of more than just them.

Buffalo has a few who flirt with it - Dahlin is stick mean and hits to hurt. Cozens imposes but only usually when someone has transgressed against one of his guys and Tuch does finish people from time to time with authority. But they don't have (yet) the level of mean-spiritedness that the contenders at the top of the conference have.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

High skill teams that play a scummy game have a lot of Cup wins in the last decade. The Lightning are poster children for not only having depth guys who do it, but their best often do it too. Same thing in Boston and for the decade prior, Pittsburgh. In the east, the best have hard players to play against at the top of the lineup because they will elbow someone in the jaw, or chop off a finger tip with a slash, or kick someone's legs out in a scrum. Tampa seems to know this most of all which is why they regularly get guys who play that way but they also get that out of Stamkos and Kucherov and Hedman. Florida is trying to contend and they went in for some of it too with guys like Bennett and Tkachuk as well as their depth guys like Lomberg or Acciari when he was there. The Sens have a bit with how Tkachuk and Batherson play but I don't see it yet out of more than just them.

Buffalo has a few who flirt with it - Dahlin is stick mean and hits to hurt. Cozens imposes but only usually when someone has transgressed against one of his guys and Tuch does finish people from time to time with authority. But they don't have (yet) the level of mean-spiritedness that the contenders at the top of the conference have.

im for scummy, scummy wins because you win by suppressing skill and scum injures skilled players and then you win with the more skilled roster

players who check spend a lot of time watching skilled players pass the puck around them, then the whistle blows and marchand spears them in the balls after the play

why do we have great stories about 4th liners showing up in the playoffs? because the skilled guys all have 3 broken ribs and a fractured thumb, partially torn pecks, meanwhile 12minute a night dan paille kills off 4 penalties a night and gets a tap in during game 6 because hedman sprained his ankle 3 weeks when Depth McGoon boarded him in round 1

and that brings me to why i like the playoff format, because we get the best matchups in round 1... when the skilled players are still healthy

 

[Jim Bob]

a post thats right on the point while being unaware of what the point is

thank you though for show casing that bad metrics dont correlate to movement in the standings

for instance when a team spends 10% of a game on the pk there's probably something else we should look at for wins and losses

goals against doesnt matter unless also shown in context of goals for

and fow%... this is how I know you missed my point, because arguing against checking being a relevant stat for predicting team success then you post several other examples of stats that are bad predictors for team success, thats my point, there are stats that are bad predictors of success, hits per game is 1 of them and probably a worse 1 than +/-

and this point is in service of furthering the point that the counter to physical teams isnt to get down in the trenches and try to out physical them, either start hacking and wacking and win the injury battle knowing the refs arent going to call it or just skate away from them

and even the goonery point is saying that the best way to win is to eliminate the skill in the game, and chasing checks eliminates your skill not the other way around

Any single stat will have outliers.

There are also multiple ways to build a winning team. But, the best teams, of which Boston and TB are two, tend to be multiple in that they have skill and they have mental and physical grit.

That is why you see TB giving up 1st+ for guys like Jeannot, Hagel, Goodrow, & Coleman. They want that mix to go with their skill guys.

It isn't about just being physical. It's having different guys to play different roles.