Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

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Maybe because it's a compelling argument to be had?

Our current path seems to be relying on some alternative reality.

How often do 22 year old goalies take you to the playoffs?

This seems to be pertinent to the roster thread. But anyway…

Sure, in a small-picture vacuum you can say Anderson should have started that game, but big picture this team is massively inexperienced, regardless of who is playing in goal.

This team has 3 players who I would consider experienced in terms of playoff hockey, etc. — Tuch, Okposo and Anderson.

Everyone else is green and needs to grow, and you grow in part through adversity. If they sneak into the playoffs and play BOS in the first round, they’ll get swept in 4 games. And that’s perfectly fine because the need to gain experience through those experiences.

Veteran pieces need to be added in the summer to fill out the roster.
 

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So, I'm assuming we lose Anderson after this year. Do any of these veteran pieces you refer to adding in the summer involve goaltending?

And I guess that means we're not adding anything at the deadline?
 

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A thought: Krebs + 2nd + another prospect for Boone Jenner.

You get an immediate upgrade at 3C. Essentially you get the guy you hope Krebs turns into. You then have the next 3 seasons of Thompsons/Cozens/Jenner down the middle. And if Jenner ends up being the 4C and one of Savoie, Kulich, Ostlund grab the the 3C role....not the end of the world either.
 

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A thought: Krebs + 2nd + another prospect for Boone Jenner.

You get an immediate upgrade at 3C. Essentially you get the guy you hope Krebs turns into. You then have the next 3 seasons of Thompsons/Cozens/Jenner down the middle. And if Jenner ends up being the 4C and one of Savoie, Kulich, Ostlund grab the the 3C role....not the end of the world either.

Try getting something like that done without subtracting from the Sabres current roster.
 

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Try getting something like that done without subtracting from the Sabres current roster.
I doubt you see Adams move one of the young forwards already on the roster right now.

We can debate the merits of moving '23 1st, Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, and then guys like Krebs, Quinn, and Peterka. But, I just do not think that Adams goes there right now.

The biggest move I see is what Adams can get for a 2nd and a non-top tier prospect (Portillo/Kisakov/Poltapov etc).
 

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Try getting something like that done without subtracting from the Sabres current roster.

Eh, I think a player like Jenner comes with a bit of pain simply because he'll be in high demand and it's not a rental. Also Columbus certainly doesn't have to move him.

Find me a better middle six center that fits what the Sabres need right now and in the future. Like I said, it's who you hope Krebs becomes in 2-3 seasons.

Columbus's needs are a lot on Defense. I think finding another young center to platoon with Johnson and Sillinger would interest them. I guess you could dangle a lotto protected 1st + prospects instead.
 

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I doubt you see Adams move one of the young forwards already on the roster right now.

We can debate the merits of moving '23 1st, Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, and then guys like Krebs, Quinn, and Peterka. But, I just do not think that Adams goes there right now.

The biggest move I see is what Adams can get for a 2nd and a non-top tier prospect (Portillo/Kisakov/Poltapov etc).

Eh, I think a player like Jenner comes with a bit of pain simply because he'll be in high demand and it's not a rental. Also Columbus certainly doesn't have to move him.

Find me a better middle six center that fits what the Sabres need right now and in the future. Like I said, it's who you hope Krebs becomes in 2-3 seasons.

Columbus's needs are a lot on Defense. I think finding another young center to platoon with Johnson and Sillinger would interest them. I guess you could dangle a lotto protected 1st + prospects instead.

JB touches on the reasoning above. Krebs has also ironed out a lot of the unworkable parts of his game - pucks go in deep and he is dedicated to retrieval, the backhand sauce to nowhere is gone, and he isn't trying to force plays at the attacking blueline. It wouldn't surprise if he continues in the more offensive role he's in right now with his maturation into a decent 2-way player.

And now I just had a mortal moment realizing the three of us have been having these debates online since the '90's. :wally:
 

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I think that several of them actually do try to drive the net, but barely make it past the blueline before the puck is pokechecked off their sticks.

Thompson tries to take the puck to the net through 2 or 3 defenders multiple times per game and it never works. He is successful at stick handling through multiple D when he gets the puck on a broken play or when he receives a pass and is already in tight, so the D is not in an ideal position or is trying to recover. When they are in good position, they are expecting him to try to walk through them and it is like taking candy from a baby as they pick his pocket.

Tuch, Cozens and Peterka are the only players on the team with the foot speed to take the puck wide and walk defenders. Peterka is shell-shocked currently from getting smacked around by guys that outweigh him by 40 or 50 lbs, and he seems to be shying away from potential contact, which he was not doing earlier in the season.

Cozens only tries if he he sees a clear lane, and I think his reads are pretty good for a young player. Tuch does try and sometimes gets wide and is successful.

The rest of the team can't skate around NHL defenders, so they all pull up.

What I would like to see is more recognition of the situation and taking advantage of the open space. If they are alone, instead of directly taking the blueline, use the space, go wide before the zone, slow the play down and spread the D while still in the neutral zone, while you wait for reinforcements. It is always going to be situational, obviously, but taking the zone and pulling up just inside the blueline just to avoid the offside, but then finding yourself alone hemmed in in that small space at the point leaves no options.
its not the weight, Peterka is listed 190 which is pretty average
 

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its not the weight, Peterka is listed 190 which is pretty average

Peterka seems to be slowing down as he crosses the blueline instead of using his burst to drive himself and the puck deeper into the o-zone. He has the wheels, even if he is going into the corner or behind the net to get the puck in deep. He looks like he's thinking about trying to find someone else to shoot.
 

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Peterka seems to be slowing down as he crosses the blueline instead of using his burst to drive himself and the puck deeper into the o-zone. He has the wheels, even if he is going into the corner or behind the net to get the puck in deep. He looks like he's thinking about trying to find someone else to shoot.
yeah, its seems to be more the mental part of the game, physically he isn't that far off
 

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When the Arizona Coyotes pulled defenceman Jakob Chychrun from their lineup on Feb. 11, stating trade related reasons, speculation ran wild over an imminent move.

Twelve days later and Chychrun is still a member of the Coyotes and will not play the remaining three games on Arizona’s schedule leading up to the March 3 trade deadline.

The Los Angeles Kings are still believed to be at the forefront of the Chychrun sweepstakes, but other teams have reportedly re-entered the race, including the Columbus Blue Jackets and St. Louis Blues.

Coyotes GM Bill Armstrong told Craig Morgan of PHNX Sports he felt a trade was close two weeks ago and admits trade talks remain ongoing.

“One of the reasons we held him out so soon was he played a ton of minutes in his last game (at Chicago),” Armstrong said. “After that, we thought we were so close to a deal that we just had to make a decision. It turned out we were not, and then one day led to the next day and here we are today.”

A move with the Kings, according to multiple sources, was close. Los Angeles remains in the hunt, but it is unclear what type of assets they are willing to part with, as top young stars Quinton Byfield and Brandt Clarke are not up for grabs.

The Coyotes have stood firm on their asking price, which consists of at least one first-round draft pick and either a second first-round pick or a young prospect with equivalent value, another prospect and potentially a fourth asset.
 
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I doubt you see Adams move one of the young forwards already on the roster right now.

We can debate the merits of moving '23 1st, Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, and then guys like Krebs, Quinn, and Peterka. But, I just do not think that Adams goes there right now.

The biggest move I see is what Adams can get for a 2nd and a non-top tier prospect (Portillo/Kisakov/Poltapov etc).

JB touches on the reasoning above. Krebs has also ironed out a lot of the unworkable parts of his game - pucks go in deep and he is dedicated to retrieval, the backhand sauce to nowhere is gone, and he isn't trying to force plays at the attacking blueline. It wouldn't surprise if he continues in the more offensive role he's in right now with his maturation into a decent 2-way player.

And now I just had a mortal moment realizing the three of us have been having these debates online since the '90's. :wally:

I agree with that it's doubtful Adams does much, especially with what was the purported prize of the Eichel trade.

I simply don't think Columbus moves Jenner without a significant piece coming back. I would label Krebs with a 1st round value, at a minimum at this point. So a young NHLer, a 2nd and a prospect would be a great haul for them.
 

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Eh, I think a player like Jenner comes with a bit of pain simply because he'll be in high demand and it's not a rental. Also Columbus certainly doesn't have to move him.

Find me a better middle six center that fits what the Sabres need right now and in the future. Like I said, it's who you hope Krebs becomes in 2-3 seasons.

Columbus's needs are a lot on Defense. I think finding another young center to platoon with Johnson and Sillinger would interest them. I guess you could dangle a lotto protected 1st + prospects instead.
I don't see Jenner fitting the middle 6 center role the Sabres need at all. He's the 1st line center in Columbus and has been centering their best players getting 20+ minutes a night and top PP unit minutes. His production is probably closer to bottom tier among 1st line centers, and it's not like his wingers are scrubs. Reduce his minutes, and remove him from the top PP unit and he probably looks a lot more pedestrian. Paying a premium for that doesn't make sense given what his role would be in Buffalo vs what it is in Columbus.

I'd personally rather see them get a 3rd line center that really fits the mold of what they are missing. Solid defensively, heavy forechecker, can win faceoffs or has shown an ability to be 50% at least, and can chip in a little offensively. Guys like Sissons, Cizikas, Sturm, or Laughton come to mind. Maybe even guys like Goodrow, Evans or Kampf. Most of those options would probably be less cost prohibitive if available, and in the case of Kampf he'll be a UFA.
 

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I don't see Jenner fitting the middle 6 center role the Sabres need at all. He's the 1st line center in Columbus and has been centering their best players getting 20+ minutes a night and top PP unit minutes. His production is probably closer to bottom tier among 1st line centers, and it's not like his wingers are scrubs. Reduce his minutes, and remove him from the top PP unit and he probably looks a lot more pedestrian. Paying a premium for that doesn't make sense given what his role would be in Buffalo vs what it is in Columbus.

I'd personally rather see them get a 3rd line center that really fits the mold of what they are missing. Solid defensively, heavy forechecker, can win faceoffs or has shown an ability to be 50% at least, and can chip in a little offensively. Guys like Sissons, Cizikas, Sturm, or Laughton come to mind. Maybe even guys like Goodrow, Evans or Kampf. Most of those options would probably be less cost prohibitive if available, and in the case of Kampf he'll be a UFA.

Bjugstad is an interesting guy given his bargain basement contract. He's pure rental and probably a bunch of contenders are looking at him too... but swapping him in for say, Jost?
 

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A thought: Krebs + 2nd + another prospect for Boone Jenner.

You get an immediate upgrade at 3C. Essentially you get the guy you hope Krebs turns into. You then have the next 3 seasons of Thompsons/Cozens/Jenner down the middle. And if Jenner ends up being the 4C and one of Savoie, Kulich, Ostlund grab the the 3C role....not the end of the world either.
This would be a fusing waste of prospects

hr is not worth thst. He is not a def first forward.

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I'm interested in Greenway and Cal Foote. Anyone want to speculate on realistic acquisition price?

Minnesota is probably trying to find 5-on-5 scoring but it might want to move Greenway's salary.

Foote has fallen down the depth chart in Tampa. It's hard to get below average metrics on the Lightning and he's been not good this year. It would have to be someone who bounces back after being gambled on. *shrug*

Both would be gambles to rebound. I'm not sure they are in on that right now.
 
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Bjugstad is an interesting guy given his bargain basement contract. He's pure rental and probably a bunch of contenders are looking at him too... but swapping him in for say, Jost?
Probably really depends on whether they are looking to fix it now, or in the offseason. Trying to fix that right now is going to cost far more than doing it in the offseason where they could just get a Bjugstad for free.

The dream would be Backlund given the Flames cap situation for next season, but that's a pipe dream given his NTC and how important he is to their roster.
 

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Probably really depends on whether they are looking to fix it now, or in the offseason. Trying to fix that right now is going to cost far more than doing it in the offseason where they could just get a Bjugstad for free.

The dream would be Backlund given the Flames cap situation for next season, but that's a pipe dream given his NTC and how important he is to their roster.

I go back and forth on the idea of having a player they want to sign in the offseason on a rent-to-sign situation - get the guy into the room and make it known the team wants him right away while helping down the stretch. It still sits with me that there are guys who don't want to be in Buffalo until they are in Buffalo. I don't know if some UFA's will consider it for the right reasons.
 

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its not the weight, Peterka is listed 190 which is pretty average
If he is 190 I would be a bit shocked. Every light collision he seems to take the worst of.
Peterka seems to be slowing down as he crosses the blueline instead of using his burst to drive himself and the puck deeper into the o-zone. He has the wheels, even if he is going into the corner or behind the net to get the puck in deep. He looks like he's thinking about trying to find someone else to shoot.

He was pretty fearless to start the season. He really wanted the puck and he'd charge into corners and battle.

Now he is backing off. He is playing timid.

He and Quinn were getting the crap knocked out of them for s stretch after they heated up. Teams started to key on them physically. Granato benched them for periods, not because they were playing bad but because they were being run left and right by the oppositions checking lines.

I think he got stung one too many times, or maybe he's playing with a nagging injury and is trying to avoid the contact?

You are right that it is mental, but I think it is being driven by something physical.
 
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