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I'd rather do nothing than those Jason Botterill era trades
Take on full salary for Frolik! Trade back for nothing!
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I'd rather do nothing than those Jason Botterill era trades
Take on full salary for Frolik! Trade back for nothing!
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Yes, we’ll finally be ready to go for it when Thompson and Tuch are approaching 30.
Gabrielor
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That's been consistent post-Botterill. Adams seems to run a leak-free ship.
That is in an ideal world.
You have Lybushkin as your bottom RD next year
I think you have two real concrete needs on D:
1. A partner that compliments Power well. I'm not sure Joker is that guy
2. A LD that pushes Bryson to 7D role.
Now, IF we are signing Johnson, that probably fill that second need on D nicely (at least that is the hope). However, I think you still need to find that more veteran complimentary D-man for Power.
If we can find that ideal #4 RD to play with Power, than Joker becomes a piece we can move on from reasonably safely. And, while I'd prefer immediate help, restocking the D pipeline could be an added bonus.
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Why do you assume Adams and his staff are idiots?I'd rather do nothing than those Jason Botterill era trades
Take on full salary for Frolik! Trade back for nothing!
Those are the only options? To do nothing or to make bad moves? Seems like a straw man argument to me.
Never forget that they’re the highest scoring team in the league whose four most important players make under 10 million total…
and we have been told repeatedly there is nothing that should be done to take advantage of that.
and people believe it
Lyubushkin has one more year left and isn't good enough, even for the different type of D-man he is from Jokiharju, to choose keeping him and trading Jokiharju.
Johnson - Jokiharju would be a pretty good bottom pairing for a while.
Zman5778
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Yeah. If we get a guy like Chychrun or Ekholm or whatever......we just slide Joker to pair with Johnson and then give Boosh the Hino treatment. Difference is.....there's guaranteed to be a team that'll give us something solid for Boosh@50%. GMs always overpay for toughness.
I mean, that's fine for 1 year. However, once Joker hits RFA, he will have a pretty sizable say in what kind of role he wants. If we have a long term solution with Power in place (and pay a premium to get that), I have to think he will want to go someplace he can get a bigger role.
Jim Bob
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I doubt Jokiharju has many options as an RFA other than opting to go to arbitration and getting to UFA ASAP.
But, the Sabres have him under team control for at least the next two or three seasons after 22-23. So, that is a medium term issue that I doubt is a huge part of Adams's decision making process on defense.
Mattilaus
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So you accuse others of thinking Adams and his staff are idiots and then, not two sentences later, imply that you think they are also idiots because they haven't used their cap space...
Djp
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Neither is chychrun or Ekholm.
assume they keep their 23 1st and drsft a RD. There is a good chance thry play on buffalo in 24/25 or be the primary call up and then be full time in 25/26
if you assume Johnson signs, primary call up next year, full t8me in 24/25
so you have
samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-xxx
Johnson- 23 pick/ yyy
options
therr are many shorter less cost contracts you can get for a RD or get someone younger in the 21-24 yr range who is still developing but stuck behind depth
yyy is a signed Joker for 4 yrs , ELC RD, or stop gap for one yr till prospects are ready in 25/26
Xxx = joker, joker traded for someone different this can be done in two separate deals or buffalo acquires a true RD for Power ( who doesn’t have to be at the level of chychrun, or overpaid snd downside like Ekholm)
Joker can be signed in summer 24 to a 2-3-4 yr contract, then get traded in 2025.
Unless its a 1st overall pick d-man, the runway for a d-man is typically 3-4 years, even for mid to high 1st rounders. Given we SHOULD be drafting in the mid-to (Hopefully) later first round moving forward, we aren't going to see the kind of players that turn around that quick to NHL players.
I think the ideal for most teams is:
Lock in your top 4
Bottom pair is a mix of ELC/cheap vets/rental depth.
We are at 3/4 currently (assuming Dahlin signs long term and Power pans out)
I do think that fleshing out the pipeline with some D+2/D+3 d-men is probably smart as we try to improve the team and prune out players approaching UFA.
As a serious follow up to this:
When Adams has been busy, his stuff gets out there. We had nearly daily updates on the Eichel trade watch. At the draft, both Risto's and Reinharts name was out there as well as the suitors. We heard about a botched trade for Murray.
Heck, even when he makes a due diligence call we hear about it.
It's not that its a leak free ship, it appears its more that Adams simply hasn't been doing much since the Eichel trade, which is essentially what he said he was going to do.
Gabrielor
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I just LOVE that your original dig at Adams wasn't enough for you, and you had to go even bigger.As a serious follow up to this:
When Adams has been busy, his stuff gets out there. We had nearly daily updates on the Eichel trade watch. At the draft, both Risto's and Reinharts name was out there as well as the suitors. We heard about a botched trade for Murray.
Heck, even when he makes a due diligence call we hear about it.
It's not that its a leak free ship, it appears its more that Adams simply hasn't been doing much since the Eichel trade, which is essentially what he said he was going to do.
Pure pessimism is a super exhausting bit you do.
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I fail to see "Adams is doing what he told us he was going to do" as dig. He has told as, as such, he isn't going to do much. He isn't going to jeopardize "the process" (futures) for what he sees as a 'shortcut', aka he isn't going to add for immediate help. He literally said this yesterday. And he's said it in the past.
I was pointing out that the idea he runs a tight ship isn't true, as things have gotten out when he's been active in the market.
It's far more likely that he simply isn't active in the marketplace, which aligns with his comments and most people's expectations.
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I think it was the agent for Eichel doing the leaking.As a serious follow up to this:
When Adams has been busy, his stuff gets out there. We had nearly daily updates on the Eichel trade watch. At the draft, both Risto's and Reinharts name was out there as well as the suitors. We heard about a botched trade for Murray.
Heck, even when he makes a due diligence call we hear about it.
It's not that its a leak free ship, it appears its more that Adams simply hasn't been doing much since the Eichel trade, which is essentially what he said he was going to do.
Zman5778
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Not only the above........but I'm sure San Jose was a little leaky in getting word out there that Adams was making phone calls. Same with Arizona. Teams know when to use the media to their benefit anymore.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
The Adams calling on Meier stuff was definitely a leak from SJ. Especially since the early reports overplayed the actual level of interest from the Sabres.
Other than trying to find a roster spot for him, would there be downside to taking on Puljujarvi if the Oilers are so in need?
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