Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Zman5778]

If you are trading for Chychrun I have to think Joker is the 1st piece headed back. You aren't going to commit beyond a bridge deal to Joker next year when your top 4 is basically set in stone. I wonder how close we have to make the salaries work given both teams are near the cap floor. Given adding Jost we aren't AS far below.

Something like: Joker, Philly's 2nd this year, our 2024 1st, and a forward prospect.

I don't think Adams would leave us in the position where we'd have one natural NHL-caliber RHD. I know Bryson can play RD, and I know Chych has played RD before......but I can't see him putting Joker in the trade.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[MarkusKetterer]

So we do nothing. Got it.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

To me that rules out rentals. I don't know that it rules out guys like Chychrun or Meier though. Chychrun still has 2 years on his deal, and with Meier I'd imagine any discussions would involve some sort of contract extension for him to be considered.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Zman5778]

Translation -- we're talking, but the prices are way too high right now.

To me that rules out rentals. I don't know that it rules out guys like Chychrun or Meier though. Chychrun still has 2 years on his deal, and with Meier I'd imagine any discussions would involve some sort of contract extension for him to be considered.

I don't think it rules out all rentals. I think it DOES rule out the rentals where we'd be paying a 1st or a 1st plus. I could see us adding something depth-wise for like a 4th or so.

 

[Jim Bob]

Translation -- we're talking, but the prices are way too high right now.

I don't think it rules out all rentals. I think it DOES rule out the rentals where we'd be paying a 1st or a 1st plus. I could see us adding something depth-wise for like a 4th or so.

Yeah, I read it as they are out on a Tarasenko type rental. But, they could make a move for a cheap rental or a guy that is under team control beyond this season.

 

[Chainshot]

League office types, players involved and agents would have already told their various Friedman/Weekes/Dreger/LeBrun mouthpieces about it and it would be public if there was a trade. This is likely a Q/A about Cozens and softballing that they're trying to improve the team if things are the right price without committing to actually do anything.

For my next trick…

 

[Ace]

The way Power moves around the offensive zone…Chychrun is a perfect fit for when you need a goal. The PDOcast talked about Power a couple episodes back and the first thing they mentioned was how much better his production would be if Joker wasn’t brain dead with the puck. He slaps it up the wall or puts a poor shot on net when Power makes himself available for a play. Chychrun would either find him or get a far better open look for himself.

They already will sometimes put Power and dahlin together late if they’re desperate…imagine not having to do that and having two pairs that can play most of a third period in need of goals…and getting them

 

[MOGlLNY]

If you are trading for Chychrun I have to think Joker is the 1st piece headed back. You aren't going to commit beyond a bridge deal to Joker next year when your top 4 is basically set in stone. I wonder how close we have to make the salaries work given both teams are near the cap floor. Given adding Jost we aren't AS far below.

Something like: Joker, Philly's 2nd this year, our 2024 1st, and a forward prospect.

Disagree, as a RD Joker would be a great piece on the bottom 6 if we can sign him for a decent bridge deal.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

KA brings the Buffalo hockey bloggers back down to even

 

[thewookie1]

If you are trading for Chychrun I have to think Joker is the 1st piece headed back. You aren't going to commit beyond a bridge deal to Joker next year when your top 4 is basically set in stone. I wonder how close we have to make the salaries work given both teams are near the cap floor. Given adding Jost we aren't AS far below.

Something like: Joker, Philly's 2nd this year, our 2024 1st, and a forward prospect.

If you trade Joker, you LHD end up with 4 lefties as your top 4 and additionally I’d not have any interest in giving them a 1st 2nd and prospect on top of that

 

[toddkaz]

Is trading for Meier trading away the future? At 26 he fits as long term future plan also with Chychrun at 24.

Does trading away a 19-20 year old like Rosen sacrificing the future for a 24 or 26 year old?

 

[Zman5778]

Is trading for Meier trading away the future? At 26 he fits as long term future plan also with Chychrun at 24.

Does trading away a 19-20 year old like Rosen sacrificing the future for a 24 or 26 year old?

I'm 90% sure that KA's issue with a Meier deal isn't the cost to get the player (especially given his age) or the play himself. It's giving him a deal that might place him as highest paid on the team before even seeing how he fits in the locker room.

It's rather well-known how much bringing Leino in completely soured the mood in the room. I think KA is very loathe to do that.

I love the player. The cost to get him wouldn't bother me personally. But I don't know if KA wants to upset that apple cart.

 

[Dubi Doo]

So we do nothing. Got it.

That's probably about rentals, though. Meier or Chychrun would be long-term options. Well, Chychrun would be more medium-term with long-term potential.

Is trading for Meier trading away the future? At 26 he fits as long term future plan also with Chychrun at 24.

Does trading away a 19-20 year old like Rosen sacrificing the future for a 24 or 26 year old?

It doesn't because they'd be viewed as core pieces.

 

[TehDoak]

I don't think Adams would leave us in the position where we'd have one natural NHL-caliber RHD. I know Bryson can play RD, and I know Chych has played RD before......but I can't see him putting Joker in the trade.

I mean, it quickly becomes a numbers game.

I like Joker on the bottom pair. But he has 1 year left. Is he going to want to commit someplace that has 3-4 d-men in front of him (if we go and get Chycrun or other RD), or will he want to go someplace he can play a bigger role? I also think young RHD always have some value, so even if he isn't part of the Chyrchrun trade, you could find a taker for him. I look at a team like Washington with almost no D under contract next season as a possible home for him.

 

[Djp]

Translation -- we're talking, but the prices are way too high right now.

I don't think it rules out all rentals. I think it DOES rule out the rentals where we'd be paying a 1st or a 1st plus. I could see us adding something depth-wise for like a 4th or so.

i think it rules out UFA this summer. 1+ Rentals are fine

him moving a late 2nd+ secondary prospect is in play

trading Portillo and Johnson is in play. I highly doubt Johnson gets moved.

i don’t see current roster player moves till summer. He probably thinks moving out roster players hurts chemistry.

 

[Djp]

I mean, it quickly becomes a numbers game.

I like Joker on the bottom pair. But he has 1 year left. Is he going to want to commit someplace that has 3-4 d-men in front of him (if we go and get Chycrun or other RD), or will he want to go someplace he can play a bigger role? I also think young RHD always have some value, so even if he isn't part of the Chyrchrun trade, you could find a taker for him. I look at a team like Washington with almost no D under contract next season as a possible home for him.

Joker is moved only for a better RD. Not moving him for futures or a LD.

chrychrun isn’t a RD. He has played on the right side

washington has nothing to give up.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I'm 90% sure that KA's issue with a Meier deal isn't the cost to get the player (especially given his age) or the play himself. It's giving him a deal that might place him as highest paid on the team before even seeing how he fits in the locker room.

It's rather well-known how much bringing Leino in completely soured the mood in the room. I think KA is very loathe to do that.

I love the player. The cost to get him wouldn't bother me personally. But I don't know if KA wants to upset that apple cart.

He basically said today that he wants guys who will not be asking for premium numbers in a contract situation so that they can remain competitive. Reading between the lines.

You don't just want to "be here," you need to prove that you want to be here by being flexible on salary to keep the team competitive in the long term.

That means regularly passing on guys like Meier, even if they like Buffalo and want to be here. You can't take on new players every year just because they're the best and want to play here. They need to fit in with the overall plan, which is looking like a solid long term strategy, if somewhat frustrating in the short term.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

what it sounds like to me is that the sabres are happy with their core players, they have no doubt that quinn and peterka will develop

what i dont know is if the core group extends to mitts, vo, and joker and i could still see moves for any of them

id still go after Meier

id move on chychrun for picks and rosen but honestly if you drop to rosen i think youre just tossing around the same trade everyone else is, buffalos real advantage in big fish is that they have multiple high end prospects and young roster players, if youre taking them out then buffalo is just another name in the conversation

 

[Dingo44]

 

[Zman5778]

what it sounds like to me is that the sabres are happy with their core players, they have no doubt that quinn and peterka will develop

what i dont know is if the core group extends to mitts, vo, and joker and i could still see moves for any of them

id still go after Meier

id move on chychrun for picks and rosen but honestly if you drop to rosen i think youre just tossing around the same trade everyone else is, buffalos real advantage in big fish is that they have multiple high end prospects and young roster players, if youre taking them out then buffalo is just another name in the conversation

I think that's the question that "needs" the answer. Who do Adams and company view as the core?

I think some are obvious -- Tage, Skinner, Tuch, Cozens, Quinn, Peterka, Dahlin, Power, Sammy
Then there's the older leaders -- Okposo and Girgs
I think Krebs is considered core.
Then there are the question marks -- everyone else

I think that going after Meier is likely seen as a no go for specifically the reason you said -- they have no doubt that Quinn and Peterka will develop and form a long-term trio with Cozens. They want to give that trio every possible chance to form and grow.

So beyond that, there's a style question that needs answered -- what do Adams and Granato want in a 3rd/4th line? Do they want to go with 3 scoring lines? If so, then Meier might be back on the table as the primary piece in a "3rd" line. OR, do they want guys like Kulich and Rosen to step up and take spots on a scoring 3rd line? Or do they want a more traditional 3rd line that takes more defensive responsibilities and can provide some depth scoring?


Then we get to the D. Where do they put Joker? As Power's long-term pair, or as a 3rd pair guy.....or expendable? Obviously they still hope to sign Johnson and hope that he anchors the 3rd pair from the left side. So what do they want to do long-term with that 3rd RHD? A Power partner? A Johnson partner? And do they even want him to be right-handed?

Lots of questions that could affect things this offseason. I still believe we don't do anything major this IN-season besides maybe a depth defenseman. Maybe.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I assume the vision is to have three scoring lines and a hybrid checking line. If that isn't the vision they've been drafting wrong, or just to get BPA and trade from strength to get the FW lines how they want (which I really don't see). For that reason I don't mind going after Meier but I don't see the cost fitting in well (assuming it's high, and requiring a high AAV contract).

I see the need for a D-man as more obvious, and see Clague as an obvious choice to send down without rocking the locker room boat. The cost should be less and the re-sign will be less. I also see Chychrun as being more likely to fit in off-ice within the organization better or more quickly. Meier would be great, but Chychrun just screams as a better fit and filling a bigger need. If he can be had with any combo of picks and prospects outside of the top four, I don't care who they are or what his next contract might be (6, 7 mil per...whatever).

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Someone else said it so I'm just echoing the sentiment: down the stretch could we give guys like Okie, Zemgus, Boosh, heck even Skinner some rest days if we start looking good to secure a playoff spot? I'd like some of them to heal and recharge if they're going to play postseason hockey. Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead

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