Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Dirty Dog]

You let this go to waste…you don’t get it back. This year they had all the money and all the assets. They misjudged. They wasted opportunity. And they’ll be staring at the same holes this off-season anyway. Just do it already. They aren’t going to be early on a move. They’re already late.

This is such nonsense. Their forward core is young and improving. Are you honestly suggesting we have a one year window with this offense? A window for what? Certainly not a cup.

I genuinely don’t understand this point you keep saying

 

[Djp]

Why would I figure Power is on a bridge when the organization is about to pay for what happens when you put top young D players on a bridge? You pay what it takes to get term. Or you pay a hell of a lot more later.

from cost ELC+bridge+ long contract is a cheaper savings on thr lifetime of the contract and gives team some cap flexibility.

the team coukd do some moves in signing giving them some cap room during the period till Skinner contract ends.

you can do Power on a 3 yr bridge to 27
Quinn and Peterka on 2 yr bridges to 27
some of the prospect ELCs could end in 2027.
with Jokiharju you sign him in 2024 to a 3 yr extension.

this is a window To go out and get 1-3 players to compete. Then do some retooling after a full evaluation of players.

It will be close enough to really not be worth it for a guy who is 32 and under contract for another 4 years.

Ekholm given is age and contract….I don’t have as much a problem 8n acquiring him but I’m not paying what their ask is. 3 full years sfter this year does fit the ideal scenario.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Side note - I keep seeing pre-game lineups that show Quinn at RW and Peterka at LW. Is this right or wrong?

Double side note - do they switch up enough during shifts that it doesn't really matter?

 

[Beerz]

 

[Uberpecker]

Mittelstadt for Peeke
Olofsson for Fabbro
3rd rounder for Puljujärvi

(add retentions and additional pieces as necessary)

I think those trades would make sense for either trade partner as well as make the Sabres a better team.

Build a new 3rd line around Krebs and Puljujärvi.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Mittelstadt has been playing better and better the last couple weeks. It's not a TT thing but he's turning a corner.

Mittelstadt for Peeke
Olofsson for Fabbro
3rd rounder for Puljujärvi

(add retentions and additional pieces as necessary)

I think those trades would make sense for either trade partner as well as make the Sabres a better team.

Build a new 3rd line around Krebs and Puljujärvi.

That's selling low on Mittelstadt.

 

[Matt Ress]

Having faith is great, but blind faith isn't.

At this point, I really haven't seen enough from him.

Fair point but you're assuming I'm being blind yet Adams moves and even lack thereof at times are proving cunning and progressive.

 

[Uberpecker]

Mittelstadt has been playing better and better the last couple weeks. It's not a TT thing but he's turning a corner.


That's selling low on Mittelstadt.

Probably.
That being said, he needs to center a first or a second line, which isn't gonna happen in Buffalo.

Swap him for a young right handed shutdown D who can play top 4 minutes and I'm happy.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Probably.
That being said, he needs to center a first or a second line, which isn't gonna happen in Buffalo.

Swap him for a young right handed shutdown D who can play top 4 minutes and I'm happy.

I don't see how he has to center a top two line at all. He's tenacious on the forecheck and along the boards, pretty good defensively in all zones. Whether he's at C or LW, he fits the definition of a traditional 3rd line, with good enough hands and vision for that line to be a scoring line if you want.

If in a couple years one of the FW prospects makes him expendable then trade him. For now that D-man can be had for less or other assets. Losing Mittelstadt now tanks most any combination of other players on that line.

 

[SabresFan26]

I don't see how he has to center a top two line at all. He's tenacious on the forecheck and along the boards, pretty good defensively in all zones. Whether he's at C or LW, he fits the definition of a traditional 3rd line, with good enough hands and vision for that line to be a scoring line if you want.

If in a couple years one of the FW prospects makes him expendable then trade him. For now that D-man can be had for less or other assets. Losing Mittelstadt now tanks most any combination of other players on that line.

He's even killed some penalties.

He can play more of a TW game than Olofsson can.

Biggest knock would be for Mitts to win more face offs. He might be a LW long-term and that's ok!

 

[Zman5778]

Biggest knock would be for Mitts to win more face offs.

Huh? He was the only guy last year who could semi-consistently hit 50% in a game and he and Cozens are the only 2 who really ever hit 50% this year.

Give him time, and I think he could become an above-average (52ish%) guy.

 

[SabresFan26]

Huh? He was the only guy last year who could semi-consistently hit 50% in a game and he and Cozens are the only 2 who really ever hit 50% this year.

Give him time, and I think he could become an above-average (52ish%) guy.

I'm saying as middle 6 center to add more value, he could be come the consistent face off winner on our team.

Jost is bad, Tage is bad, Krebs bad and Cozens has been the best.

All young and need experience.

 

[Uberpecker]

I don't see how he has to center a top two line at all. He's tenacious on the forecheck and along the boards, pretty good defensively in all zones. Whether he's at C or LW, he fits the definition of a traditional 3rd line, with good enough hands and vision for that line to be a scoring line if you want.

If in a couple years one of the FW prospects makes him expendable then trade him. For now that D-man can be had for less or other assets. Losing Mittelstadt now tanks most any combination of other players on that line.

He's both valuable and expendable.

Also, he may block Krebs as our future scoring 3C while being hindered in his own development by not being used in a true top 6 role.

Give me the right deal for the right RHD and he should be gone without hesitation.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

He's both valuable and expendable.

Also, he may block Krebs as our future scoring 3C while being hindered in his own development by not being used in a true top 6 role.

Give me the right deal for the right RHD and he should be gone without hesitation.

He's not blocking Krebs now, or ever. If anything they should play together at some point. Also, the 5th best FW should not be gone without hesitation regardless of the return.

 

[Jacob582]

Side note - I keep seeing pre-game lineups that show Quinn at RW and Peterka at LW. Is this right or wrong?

Double side note - do they switch up enough during shifts that it doesn't really matter?

Quinn is a LW and Peterka is a RW.

This is how they played all there time together in Rochester.

I honestly haven't noticed if they changed things up this season.

 

[joshjull]

More than one thing can be true at the same time.

True: Botts was a garbage GM.

Also True: Our current success is primarily due to the Botts Core, and not the players Adams has acquired/drafted.

Not true. A Core is something a GM builds on his NHL roster.

I see only two core/key pieces left from the core Botts left us with (Dahlin/Skinner). I‘m being generous with Skinner since Krueger constantly f***ed with him and eventually put him on the 4th line.

Also Also True: Botts hired Granato.

You’re not actually trying to credit Botts with Granato are you?

I don't know why so many of you can't give him any credit. No one is saying he was good, but he wasn't nearly the train wreck that Murray was.

Why would we give him credit for things he doesn’t warrant getting credit for?

Lets be honest, most of this drive from certain posters to give Botts credit for stuff is to take it away from Adams. They’re salty his plan seems to be working. So they need new lines of attack.

 

[Djp]

Not true. A Core is something a GM builds on his NHL roster.

I see only two core/key pieces left from the core Botts left us with (Dahlin/Skinner). I‘m being generous with Skinner since Krueger constantly f***ed with him and eventually put him on the 4th line.


You’re not actually trying to credit Botts with Granato are you?

Why would we give him credit for things he doesn’t warrant getting credit for?

Lets be honest, most of this drive from certain posters to give Botts credit for stuff is to take it away from Adams. They’re salty his plan seems to be working. So they need new lines of attack.

Dahlin he did a lot of work a chance in drafting him—- np Botts doesn’t get credit for drafting Dahlin

 

[madpooh]

What about picking up someone like Justin Braun?

Don't think he cost more than a 4/5th as he is not playing and he would give them up a depth defenseman (to replace someone like Fitzgerald) with playoff experience. He's not expensive (not that we are close to cap) and he is UFA at the end of the season.

 

[joshjull]

He's both valuable and expendable.

Also, he may block Krebs as our future scoring 3C while being hindered in his own development by not being used in a true top 6 role.

Give me the right deal for the right RHD and he should be gone without hesitation.

You’re just making up false concerns to justify trading Mitts

-Mitts doesn’t need to be in the top 6 to develop.
-Mitts development and play as a winger has been going well the last couple weeks. He’s not in the discussion for center anymore, other than an injury fill in.
-Krebs development at center has been going well. As @Gabrielor pointed out, he’s been getting more trust and minutes from the coaches.

 

[BFLO]

Not true. A Core is something a GM builds on his NHL roster.

I see only two core/key pieces left from the core Botts left us with (Dahlin/Skinner). I‘m being generous with Skinner since Krueger constantly f***ed with him and eventually put him on the 4th line.


You’re not actually trying to credit Botts with Granato are you?

Why would we give him credit for things he doesn’t warrant getting credit for?

Lets be honest, most of this drive from certain posters to give Botts credit for stuff is to take it away from Adams. They’re salty his plan seems to be working. So they need new lines of attack.

How did Cozens, Samuelsson, Mitts, UPL, Tage, Skinner and Dahlin become Sabres?

Edit: How did Granato become a Sabres coach?

2x edit: let’s be honest. The drive to not give any credit to Botts is to give that credit to Adams for things he didn’t do.

 

[joshjull]

This is such nonsense. Their forward core is young and improving. Are you honestly suggesting we have a one year window with this offense? A window for what? Certainly not a cup.

I genuinely don’t understand this point you keep saying

Its what we like to call….bullshit. He just keeps moving the goalposts so he can keep bitching about something. He said all offseason Adams was terrible, we were going to suck and were bascially tanking. Now that things are coming together we’re missing out on our one year window.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

This is such nonsense. Their forward core is young and improving. Are you honestly suggesting we have a one year window with this offense? A window for what? Certainly not a cup.

I genuinely don’t understand this point you keep saying

It's not a one-year window, but it is a wasted opportunity. A little more depth on D and maybe a centre who can take face-offs and a better team likely in playoffs. Pags has $17 M in cap room and should use some.

 

[SabresFan26]

Not true. A Core is something a GM builds on his NHL roster.

I see only two core/key pieces left from the core Botts left us with (Dahlin/Skinner). I‘m being generous with Skinner since Krueger constantly f***ed with him and eventually put him on the 4th line.


You’re not actually trying to credit Botts with Granato are you?

Why would we give him credit for things he doesn’t warrant getting credit for?

Lets be honest, most of this drive from certain posters to give Botts credit for stuff is to take it away from Adams. They’re salty his plan seems to be working. So they need new lines of attack.

Eh I am an Adam’s fan and every Sabres fan should’ve opting for him and admit being wrong.

I think the Botterill crew feel he got a raw deal here and wasn’t as bad as many thought. At least when compared to Murray people would stick up for Murray more than Botterill. That is where the Botterill defenders go off.

But revisionist history. The GM controversy can have its own thread and this fan base should finally focus on something positive like the results we are starting to see.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

What about picking up someone like Justin Braun?

Don't think he cost more than a 4/5th as he is not playing and he would give them up a depth defenseman (to replace someone like Fitzgerald) with playoff experience. He's not expensive (not that we are close to cap) and he is UFA at the end of the season.

90% of vet players who have a NTC, Buffalo is on the list. Not saying you "might" get one or two to waive it though with the direction of things. That might be one allure of Chychrun.

The GM controversy can have its own thread and this fan base should finally focus on something positive like the results we are starting to see.

If @Chainshot @Zman5778 have no objections ?

 

[Chainshot]

Side note - I keep seeing pre-game lineups that show Quinn at RW and Peterka at LW. Is this right or wrong?

Double side note - do they switch up enough during shifts that it doesn't really matter?

Are those the team-released lineups or just what people are commenting on for lineups? They both flow to either side so it doesn't really seem to make that much difference though Quinn has said he prefers LW so that he's got the best angle for his shot.