Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Bendium]

Timing is everything.

It is not time yet to trade 1st round picks in strong drafts. There is a better than average chance that the 23 1st turns into a special player. Chychrun may or may not stay healthy here. He may or may not have chemistry with Power or Jokiharju (we already know he did not have chemistry with Lyubushkin). He may or may not re-sign when the window really does open.

Keep building through the draft and only make deals for players that are here for guaranteed long-term until your team is a playoff team and ready to contend. Then is when you make the big trades to address the roster deficiencies to put you over the hump.

Teams that are desirable to UFAs can cheat their rebuilds. If you can attract top tier talent, you can afford to move top tier prospects and 1sts to build your roster. Teams like Buffalo do not have this luxury. The core and a strong reserve pipeline has to be in place before trading the farm to improve the team. This core here is not ready yet, they are too young and green, and not physically ready.

Rushing the rebuild will destroys the cup window. We know this from experience. Waiting sucks, but we should not make the same mistakes again that the last two regimes made.

I see very few people here arguing for a Murray style rebuild, selling off multiple first round draft picks and trading multiple top prospects to bring in 3-5 top players. However, we clearly have alot more unknown quantity assets (prospects/picks) than we have room for. And the developing core is at a place where it could benefit greatly from some talent concentration and rebalancing of the bottom half of the roster. Meatballs has done a good job of giving talent an opportunity to shine over the last 1.5 years. The stuff that still lacks luster needs to be moved. To improve what you get back WILL require other assets. We need to stop being afraid to make trades. Its a normal part of team building, and continued winning will do more for the current core right now than the 6 assets represented by the 2 first and 4 second round picks we have coming in the next 2 drafts.

 

[Jacob582]

Its a normal part of team building, and continued winning will do more for the current core right now than the 6 assets represented by the 2 first and 4 second round picks we have coming in the next 2 drafts.

Screw winning. I want to be entertained on draft day.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Yeah, just do nothinh forever. That'll keep the lockerroom happy and of some want put who cares? They didn't want to be here or some other made up reason why the players that just want to make the playoffs are evil.

Get help, stop wasting years of our top guy. Get defense, there is nothing coming up. This team needs to expierence playoffs as soon as possible to learn what it takes to win there.

This just seems like fear mongering. Everything we've heard from the locker-room is how tight-knit they are. Im not worried about guys wanting out this year if we finish just outside of the playoffs.

Remember the 8-game losing streak when everyone lost their mind and threw in the towel (myself included)? They nutted up and pulled themselves out of the basement. That's because they have strong leadership in the locker room.

Now, if we're trending toward another year without playoffs next year- then Id get on board with this post. This year? Nah, unless they free fall to a bottom 5 pick, which doesnt seem likely.

 

[jc17]

I see very few people here arguing for a Murray style rebuild, selling off multiple first round draft picks and trading multiple top prospects to bring in 3-5 top players.

Yeah it's selling off multiple first round picks and top prospects for 1 not top player


But really, the problem with Murray was not just the emptying of the cupboards but the fact that the roster still lacked depth.

Im not a huge joker fan, but I don't like the idea of simply upgrading him to JC, leaving us still with 2-3 ahl defensemen isn't the way.

 

[DustyZ]

A Murray "rebuild" is absolutely NOT what we need.

Personally, I think the price we're hearing for Chychrun right now is Ridiculous.

It would be different if we were serious contenders. I don't think we're close to that category right now.

 

[Djp]

I see very few people here arguing for a Murray style rebuild, selling off multiple first round draft picks and trading multiple top prospects to bring in 3-5 top players. However, we clearly have alot more unknown quantity assets (prospects/picks) than we have room for. And the developing core is at a place where it could benefit greatly from some talent concentration and rebalancing of the bottom half of the roster. Meatballs has done a good job of giving talent an opportunity to shine over the last 1.5 years. The stuff that still lacks luster needs to be moved. To improve what you get back WILL require other assets. We need to stop being afraid to make trades. Its a normal part of team building, and continued winning will do more for the current core right now than the 6 assets represented by the 2 first and 4 second round picks we have coming in the next 2 drafts.

yet people want to go out and get

A top goalie
a Dman
and another F

how is that any different?

 

[debaser66]

I’m pretty sure the overkill comments are about Chychrun specifically. What he would cost and is it worth it. I don’t think anyone is against acquiring a top 4 dman at a reasonable cost. Though some may feel its not a top priority.

In a perfect world Johnson signs and could be that option. Young dman with top 4 upside on an ELC.

you think he would be ready to step right in without an adjustment or AHL time? I personally wouldn't count on him to carry a top4 role in his first season

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

While teams are always trying to move longterm bad contracts for cap flexibility, I think the issue is that a lot of teams, once under the cap during the season, are not eager to move pieces that are currently helping their roster until they are officially out of the hunt for the year, or decide they want the cap space to pursue a deal for a better fit for their playoff push.

It is still too early in the season for teams to have made those decisions yet.

Getting a useful player with a bad contract in the offseason is easy. Getting one now is a bit trickier.

Keep buying it. There was Ethan Bear. Guy Tampa was waived. They are not great players by any stretch, but they are better than playing AHL-level guys the Sabres have going. We played our 7,8,9,10 depth guys one game and 7,8,9 another, and frankly, Bryson and Fitzgerald. We had a great west coast swing but counting on this D to hold together is risky. You have $17 M in cap room, depth can be added with no costed to the future. PEGULA WON'T SPEND.

 

[debaser66]

This is the biggest issue with Chychrun. To me, every day that goes by his trade value decreases because the number of games you are getting out of the trade is going down. It will be 1.5 years before he can be resigned. I think his value is already below the Arizona asking price. I think it goes back up in 1.5 years when he can be traded and extended at the same time. Than a team likely would give up 3 1sts. Not right now.

he was always overvalued, its more than the return for Eichel, even if he would be in team control longer and without the injury issues, his offensive game isn't really needed and you have to pay extra for that.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Keep buying it. There was Ethan Bear. Guy Tampa was waived. They are not great players by any stretch, but they are better than playing AHL-level guys the Sabres have going. We played our 7,8,9,10 depth guys one game and 7,8,9 another, and frankly, Bryson and Fitzgerald. We had a great west coast swing but counting on this D to hold together is risky. You have $17 M in cap room, depth can be added with no costed to the future. PEGULA WON'T SPEND.

Bear was just a healthy scratch last night in Vancouver also. I'm sure guys like him look great when they aren't on your team and you don't have to watch them play every night. He is at best a 6/7 most nights just like guys like Bryson and Fitzgerald. He's got a few things he does well, but for the most part he's replacement level.

 

[brian_griffin]

We could do whatever we wanted to with Chychrun here. We’d have 5 top 4 dmen.

I just don’t see the logic in passing up two perfectly matched top 4 pairs in Dahlin/Sammy and Power/Chychrun. It would effectively give us two top pairings. Breaking them up seems like doing something just to do it. But you could.


The entire debate around Chychrun really brings home how much of a luxury addition he would be. I’d be surprised if he was on Adams radar for the price being asked.

Just joining this conversation... What is the current asking price for Chychrun from non-fan sources? is there a consensus of the range?

 

[joshjull]

you think he would be ready to step right in without an adjustment or AHL time? I personally wouldn't count on him to carry a top4 role in his first season

I‘m not expecting him to step into a top 4 role. I’m saying he (or someone like him) would be a good option for top 4 depth on 3rd pairing with Boosh

 

[debaser66]

Hintz gets extended 8/8.45, they have a couple nice pieces now long term in Dallas. Anything to learn from that contract for Cozens, pretty close probably right ?

less UFA years, so Cozens should a lot cheaper

 

[debaser66]

Saw this on the Wings board, but felt it was worth sharing.

The tweet is about how bad Chiarot/Seider have been, but take a look where Sammy/Dahlin are

Seider was mentioned with Fox and Makar without a breath of Dahlin by journalists as the new generation of D

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Seider was mentioned with Fox and Makar without a breath of Dahlin by journalists as the new generation of D

Yea his tires were getting pumped hard last season. Not sure if he's having a sophomore slump or what but from what I've seen Wings fans saying he just doesn't have chemistry with Chiarot at all, and the coach continues to try and force that pairing. A bit like Granato was doing early last season with Dahlin and Joker.

 

[joshjull]

Just joining this conversation... What is the current asking price for Chychrun from non-fan sources? is there a consensus of the range?

Marek or Friedman said in October it was the equivalent of two first round picks Plus more. Which they equated to a combo of picks, prospects and players.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Marek or Friedman said in October it was the equivalent of two first round picks Plus more. Which they equated to a combo of picks, prospects and players.

Wonder if 2 2nds this year, 2024 1st, and prospect (not top 5) could get you close ?

 

[brian_griffin]

Marek or Friedman said in October it was the equivalent of two first round picks Plus more. Which they equated to a combo of picks, prospects and players.

Thanks.

At that price, I think BUF should wait a little - see what the price is and where they are in the standings when they have their week off at the start of February. I am interested in Chychrun, not worried about him resigning. I wanted him his draft year. I don't see Johnson or anyone else in pipeline on the blueline emerging for BUF, and the age/timing is right for the quartet of Dahlin/Smmy/Power/Chychrun. Sabres could have a Robinson/Savard/Lapointe/whomever equivalent. Maybe even a kindler, gentler Niedermeir (sp?) /Stevens type pairing with Dahlin/Samuelsson.

As (I think) @Der Jaeger said, I want the Sabres to improve their possession, which will decrease their shots-against and high-danger shots against.

 

[yahhockey]

Unsure where to put this so this thread is as good as any.

 

[Djp]

Just joining this conversation... What is the current asking price for Chychrun from non-fan sources? is there a consensus of the range?

the sun, moon, and stars

Thanks.

At that price, I think BUF should wait a little - see what the price is and where they are in the standings when they have their week off at the start of February. I am interested in Chychrun, not worried about him resigning. I wanted him his draft year. I don't see Johnson or anyone else in pipeline on the blueline emerging for BUF, and the age/timing is right for the quartet of Dahlin/Smmy/Power/Chychrun. Sabres could have a Robinson/Savard/Lapointe/whomever equivalent. Maybe even a kindler, gentler Niedermeir (sp?) /Stevens type pairing with Dahlin/Samuelsson.

As (I think) @Der Jaeger said, I want the Sabres to improve their possession, which will decrease their shots-against and high-danger shots against.

id not want to move 2023 1st if it’s a top 20pick in any deal.

if the ask is 2 1st rounds then those are likeky 2 late 1sts innthe 23-33 range which equals of pick in the terns.

if Buffalo was to move say Ostlund or Rosen in a trade thrn that equals 2 1sts.

id rather trade PHL 2nd (33-37 range) and buf 24 1st ( top 10 protected).

thr other issue is cap hit in 2025 when chrychun is a UFA. Thrn you would have Jokiharju on a 3rd contract snd aDahlin on a $10M+ contract and Power due for one if on a bridge.
buffalo needs toget D prospects to use during the time of around 25-36 and on. A 23 1st in D would go a long way in that. So woukd trading prospects for equiv D prospects.

my preference would be Rasmus Anderssen who has 3 full years after this season.

Unsure where to put this so this thread is as good as any.

rookie duties?

 

[Bendium]

yet people want to go out and get

A top goalie
a Dman
and another F

how is that any different?

Murray went after a #1 center, Top line winger, starting Goaltender, Top four dman et al.

We have alot less to fill and dont need players as high up in the lineup. It is not even close to the same.

 

[toomuchsauce]

Saw this on the Wings board, but felt it was worth sharing.

The tweet is about how bad Chiarot/Seider have been, but take a look where Sammy/Dahlin are

check out chychrun and ghostbriere

 

[Beerz]

Murray went after a #1 center, Top line winger, starting Goaltender, Top four dman et al.

We have alot less to fill and dont need players as high up in the lineup. It is not even close to the same.

Murray targeted the wrong players that was his failure.

How many prospects that he traded away turned into anything that we actually missed?

McNabb?
Compher...maybe?

 

[Weltschmerz]

Murray targeted the wrong players that was his failure.

How many prospects that he traded away turned into anything that we actually missed?

McNabb?
Compher...maybe?

Armia

 

[Der Jaeger]

Not saying I'd do this, but I think Rosen, 2023 top 10 protected first, and Bryson opens the conversation.