Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Sabresfansince1980]

I mean you can use the argument of who could of been drafted anytime you trade a pick.

Like I said.. he chose the wrong people besides ROR to spend capital on.

If he chose the right goalie..if he chose the right dman..if he chose the right winger for Eichel...things would of looked a lot different.

It wasn't a bad plan..it was bad execution

With that draft and Buffalo's pipeline...bad plan.

 

[Diaspora]

The days of guaranteed bridges are over, unfortunately. If Power continues to improve like he has been, it is most likely going to be in everyone's best interest to sign him long-term. It will save a ton of cap and headache going forward, especially if they can get him signed longterm before the cap makes a substantial jump.

Say they give up a ton of assets for Chychrun, and they then enter the start of their window in two years. Trading away a top four D to recoup some of those assets during a playoff push would be a terrible look. The fans and the rest of the team would revolt. With that in mind, there would be a very real chance of losing him for nothing.

Those are real concerns, I won't deny that.

The reality is that 32 teams competing under a hard salary cap means that hard choices have to be made. One hypothesis is that, with talent coming into the forward group on ELCs, spending for a dominant blue line will be the fastest path to contention.

Tampa, San Jose and Nashville all had long periods where they were considered contenders by constructing a loaded defense corps. I can't say whether that's still a valid path, but it's worth serious evaluation.

 

[Irie]

They sign or they don’t play. They’ll get a token raise but anything remotely rich won’t be until their 3rd contracts, when they will still be RFAs most likely. I think you overestimate their leverage.

If they both are 25G+ and close to PPG players when their deals are up, which looks to be a very real possibility, what do you think they are going to sign for?

They will both be coming up on 23. If you low-ball bridge them, you run the risk of nasty contract negotiations and unhappy players.

Good GMing requires a fine line between playing hardball and keeping your players happy. Finding a fair middle ground for those two and maybe long-term deals buying some UFA years (which seems to be Adam's MO) seems somewhat likely, imo.

 

[Diaspora]

Counter with '23 Philly 2nd, '24 1st (top 10 protected) and Mittelstadt.

Mitts might be a throw-in, but he doesn't have the value to count as a "piece". I'd think the 2023 1st might count as two pieces.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Bridge Power until Skinner is off the books. If JC can't be re-signed and he's still worth it, someone will pick him up and replenish some of our draft capital.

The net difference is the price of having him in the lineup for the intervening time.

Bridging Power would likely turn out to be a huge mistake.

 

[Zman5778]

Bridging Power would likely turn out to be a huge mistake.

Bridging Power would be akin to signing Tage to a 1 year deal after last year.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Bridging Power would be akin to signing Tage to a 1 year deal after last year.

a balancing of player demands, player projections, team demands, team projects, and the current realities of a salary cap? sure would be just like every other signing

 

[The Blunder Years]

I feel like the most logical trade we can make is Ryan Johnson to LA for one of their RHD. Isn’t his dad in the org and originally from Cali? Feels like a win win for both teams other than Johnson being in college until late winter.

 

[Weltschmerz]

I feel like the most logical trade we can make is Ryan Johnson to LA for one of their RHD. Isn’t his dad in the org and originally from Cali? Feels like a win win for both teams other than Johnson being in college until late winter.

Is with the ducks now.

 

[Irie]

Those are real concerns, I won't deny that.

The reality is that 32 teams competing under a hard salary cap means that hard choices have to be made. One hypothesis is that, with talent coming into the forward group on ELCs, spending for a dominant blue line will be the fastest path to contention.

Tampa, San Jose and Nashville all had long periods where they were considered contenders by constructing a loaded defense corps. I can't say whether that's still a valid path, but it's worth serious evaluation.

I think if you look at each situation of your examples, they are quite different.

Nashville was a deep team and had world class goaltending. If the Sabres had a Miller or Hasek, I think that would be a legitimate model to explore, but with below average goaltending, I think this team will have to be fairly balanced in a traditional sense to find that kind of success.

San Jose's D issues became a glaring weakness after they added Karlsson. They were a stronger overall team before his addition. The first Karlsson year where he missed 35% of their games, both their GF and GA increased substantially, but their run to the conference finals was pretty luck fueled with the Eakin 5 minute major saving them from a first round exit and then lucking into a depleted Avalanche squad in the second round before getting smoked by the Blues. Adding Karlsson to load up their back end cost them something like 80 goals up front due to cap maneuvers, and the team has been a disaster since.

Tampa is a desirable destination, so getting players to resign there with their weather and tax status is easy, and they were also pretty stacked talent-wise before making their big moves. But by signing all of their D to pricey extensions, we have to remember that they were 17 million over the cap when they won one of their cups. The key thing to the Tampa situation is that they built their core over time, and were already in contend mode before really loading up and making the moves that put them over the top (I believe they had the best record in the east when they added McDonagh)

If Buffalo shows a real trend to being a desired destination for winning, then trading for players that would otherwise likely walk will start to make sense, and they can even bring in cheap vets to fill holes if they ever have that going for them, but until then. they are a rebuilding team with high taxes and the smallest market in the states that not a lot of players prioritize. The sad reality is that some players make more off of sponsorship deals than they do their salaries, and those opportunities just don't really exist in a market like Buffalo, limiting a lot of the draw.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

My dream would be using Savoie + 1st + 1st to get Jiricek.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

My dream would be using Savoie + 1st + 1st to get Jiricek.

The difference between those two players is not one first, let alone two. And if CBJ really wanted Savoie, they'd have taken him over Jiricek in the first place.

 

[tsujimoto74]

My dream would be using Savoie + 1st + 1st to get Jiricek.

I'd rather spend less and get a player that's already playing the role we need filled in the NHL somewhere. We don't need a 3rd prospective #1D. We need a Samuelsson for Power.

 

[Diaspora]

I think if you look at each situation of your examples, they are quite different.

Nashville was a deep team and had world class goaltending. If the Sabres had a Miller or Hasek, I think that would be a legitimate model to explore, but with below average goaltending, I think this team will have to be fairly balanced in a traditional sense to find that kind of success.

San Jose's D issues became a glaring weakness after they added Karlsson. They were a stronger overall team before his addition. The first Karlsson year where he missed 35% of their games, both their GF and GA increased substantially, but their run to the conference finals was pretty luck fueled with the Eakin 5 minute major saving them from a first round exit and then lucking into a depleted Avalanche squad in the second round before getting smoked by the Blues. Adding Karlsson to load up their back end cost them something like 80 goals up front due to cap maneuvers, and the team has been a disaster since.

Tampa is a desirable destination, so getting players to resign there with their weather and tax status is easy, and they were also pretty stacked talent-wise before making their big moves. But by signing all of their D to pricey extensions, we have to remember that they were 17 million over the cap when they won one of their cups. The key thing to the Tampa situation is that they built their core over time, and were already in contend mode before really loading up and making the moves that put them over the top (I believe they had the best record in the east when they added McDonagh)

If Buffalo shows a real trend to being a desired destination for winning, then trading for players that would otherwise likely walk will start to make sense, and they can even bring in cheap vets to fill holes if they ever have that going for them, but until then. they are a rebuilding team with high taxes and the smallest market in the states that not a lot of players prioritize. The sad reality is that some players make more off of sponsorship deals than they do their salaries, and those opportunities just don't really exist in a market like Buffalo, limiting a lot of the draw.

Wow. Awesome, thoughtful response. Thank you.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Watched the Preds. Preds fans are right, they struggle to score. Their PP has Duchene at the left half wall, Johansen and bumper, and Forsberg kind of playing net front the way Reinhart does. Josi at the point. Olofsson shot at the right half wall would really help them.

Fabbro and Sissons were solid, not amazing. But that’s all the Sabres are looking for. Aside from Rantanen’s goal, Fabbro was solid. Sissons was good at the face of dot and plays a sound defensive game.

From around the NHL thread:

I’d make the trade after Christmas.

Olofsson (50% retained)
Fitzgerald
(Maybe add in a mid round pick)

-for-

Fabbro
Sissons

 

[Zman5778]

From around the NHL thread:

I’d make the trade after Christmas.

Olofsson (50% retained)
Fitzgerald
(Maybe add in a mid round pick)

-for-

Fabbro
Sissons

Have you floated this to Preds fans?

 

[Fjordsen]

My dream would be using Savoie + 1st + 1st to get Jiricek.

NO f***ing WAY

 

[Ace]

I don’t want to see the words Power and bridge in the same paragraph again lol.

Dahlin took a bridge. Now he’s going to make 11 million a year on his next deal.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I don’t want to see the words Power and bridge in the same paragraph again lol.

Dahlin took a bridge. Now he’s going to make 11 million a year on his next deal.

Yet there were more than enough people here who were perfectly fine with bridging Dahlin. I never understood why.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Have you floated this to Preds fans?

A while back. Some liked it and some didn’t but they thought it was good for value.

 

[Chainshot]

Yet there were more than enough people here who were perfectly fine with bridging Dahlin. I never understood why.

There are people who wanted to move him to center a year ago. Or to trade him. The internet is a funny place.

 

[flashsabre]

From around the NHL thread:

I’d make the trade after Christmas.

Olofsson (50% retained)
Fitzgerald
(Maybe add in a mid round pick)

-for-

Fabbro
Sissons

Again I wouldn’t touch Fabbro until the 2018 WJC Team Canada investigation is over. If police are looking to charge 5 players I need to be certain e. Isn’t one of them first.

 

[debaser66]

Considering his commentary about his mental struggles while in Buffalo, I can't see him as wanting to come back. He has an 8-team NTC and it would be shocking to have the site of a trauma on his list of places to go.

Maybe JB & TM could have run a mental hospital

 

[Dubi Doo]

There are people who wanted to move him to center a year ago. Or to trade him. The internet is a funny plplace.

It would be interesting to see him at center, then try Tre White at goalie, and maybe we're playing 4D chess!

 

[Matt Ress]

I don't think Gavrikov gets the haul he got on the mains. Rarely does HF and the real world overlap in trade scenerios.