Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Irie]

I think you‘re that is mostly true for 3 year bridges, especially for top level youngsters like Power.

But I think 2yr bridges will still be a thing. May also see an increase in mid range contracts (4-6yrs) like Robertson and Makar.

Oh, Absolutely. And i think the 3 year bridge may still be popular for prospects that might be struggling a bit.

I was more addressing the idea sometimes floated around here that any player coming off of an ELC will automatically be bridged, kicking any cap issues down the road for a couple of years.

The new norm for prospects coming off of ELCs that have already seen success in the NHL (i.e. most likely Power/Quinn/Peterka) seems to be mid to long term deals.

 

[Djp]

Bridge Power until Skinner is off the books. If JC can't be re-signed and he's still worth it, someone will pick him up and replenish some of our draft capital.

The net difference is the price of having him in the lineup for the intervening time.

skinner goes for 4 yrs. His money goes to forwards coming up. You coukd think Olofsson money goes to Power for a bridge.

Not really sure what you mean, sorry.

Quinn and Peterka will most definitely be qualified, but they will not sign those offers. They are both going to get substantial raises. Now whether or not either player is bridged or signed longer-term in a gamble to save future cap is yet to be seen, but there is a chance either or both will be substantial hits on Buffalo's cap in 25-26 preventing the Sabres from giving Chychrun a premium contract.

they likely get 2 yr bridges until Skinners contract ends.
they probably want to hold off sliding contracts next year pushing yr 1 of thrm to 24/25.

Bridging Power would be akin to signing Tage to a 1 year deal after last year.

no. He hasn’t done anything yet to deserve a high salary contract. He woukd need to explode next year to get something like $8M. He will get a 3 yr bridge. When it’s done it’s after year 5.

From around the NHL thread:

I’d make the trade after Christmas.

Olofsson (50% retained)
Fitzgerald
(Maybe add in a mid round pick)

-for-

Fabbro
Sissons

My nephews are Preds fans first thrn Sabres fans. Bills over titans.

id be surprised nashville does this. They will want something more like Johnson over Fitz+

So when do we start digging around for winger who can fill the Gus/KO roles in the near future? I know the defense fix is a pressing issue, but in the next phase of roster building, they're going to need to find players for those roles.

if we are decent we will be able to fill these roles with vets who want to come here for a shot at the cup.

 

[Irie]

they likely get 2 yr bridges until Skinners contract ends.
they probably want to hold off sliding contracts next year pushing yr 1 of thrm to 24/25.

We shall see.

Last year most on these boards were convinced Cozens would get that bridge as well. If Adams feels like Peterka or Quinn are on the verge of a huge breakouts at the end of their ELCs, I doubt they would be comfortable offering a two year bridge. It would not be very smart.

 

[Djp]

We shall see.

Last year most on these boards were convinced Cozens would get that bridge as well. If Adams feels like Peterka or Quinn are on the verge of a huge breakouts at the end of their ELCs, I doubt they would be comfortable offering a two year bridge. It would not be very smart.

i prefer doing ELC then 2-3 yr bridge then 7-8 yr contract rill they are 31-32 over doing the ELC Then 7-8 yr contract then another long contract taking them into their mid 30s or later. You have less potential dead weight to deal with ( sees San Jose)

it depends on what their numbers are at the end of the ELCs. And what Buffalo has behind them.

sure Quinn and Peterka are doing well in their rookie year but you have behind them Rosen, Savoie, Olstund, Kulich, and about 6 other forwards drafted in top 100 of their draft. That's 12.

from there you figure Skinner tillhis ends, Cozens is long term and Tuch is resigned to 4-5 yrs. Do you pay Pater/Quinn high id Arosen and Savoie are doing better On ELCs. That’s why I see them getting bridges.

you have 6 forward spots to fill From that prospect pool. Look to trade off the rest.

ive said this before, I think the money goes to 3 F 2 D and starting goalie. then you have 4-5 mid paid players who are paid $4M-mid $5M range. Centers are more valuable. Wingers are generally replaceable with younger ones unles there is something special like a power forward type or a regular 45-55 goal scorer.

 

[Matt Ress]

i prefer doing ELC then 2-3 yr bridge then 7-8 yr contract rill they are 31-32 over doing the ELC Then 7-8 yr contract then another long contract taking them into their mid 30s or later. You have less potential dead weight to deal with ( sees San Jose)

it depends on what their numbers are at the end of the ELCs. And what Buffalo has behind them.

sure Quinn and Peterka are doing well in their rookie year but you have behind them Rosen, Savoie, Olstund, Kulich, and about 6 other forwards drafted in top 100 of their draft. That's 12.

from there you figure Skinner tillhis ends, Cozens is long term and Tuch is resigned to 4-5 yrs. Do you pay Pater/Quinn high id Arosen and Savoie are doing better On ELCs. That’s why I see them getting bridges.

you have 6 forward spots to fill From that prospect pool. Look to trade off the rest.

ive said this before, I think the money goes to 3 F 2 D and starting goalie. then you have 4-5 mid paid players who are paid $4M-mid $5M range. Centers are more valuable. Wingers are generally replaceable with younger ones unles there is something special like a power forward type or a regular 45-55 goal scorer.

The good news is that they have a lot of motivation to sprinkle those kids in slowly which means prolonged ELCs and theoretically more rounded long term players. Gone are the days of pushing our #8-15 draft pick into the Sabres lineup in D+1.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Buffalo Sabres Gift Their Fans with Competitiveness

On Christmas Day, the Buffalo Sabres are still in the playoff hunt. Whether they make it or not, their exciting play is a gift to their fans.

thehockeynews.com

 

[Ace]

I could use Adams to gift us a long term plan with the other half of the defense.
….
actually that’s his job

 

[Bendium]

i prefer doing ELC then 2-3 yr bridge then 7-8 yr contract rill they are 31-32 over doing the ELC Then 7-8 yr contract then another long contract taking them into their mid 30s or later. You have less potential dead weight to deal with ( sees San Jose)

I knew we could find something to agree on!

This is exactly what I prefer with Cozens. If he will sign an 8 year extension at 6M AAV i might do it. If he wants more than Tage got.....no. He has 4 years of team control left. Tage had 1 left and better numbers. I would give Cozens a 2 year bridge and then sign the 8 getting him to 31-32. You will get the best years at a reasonable number and then can let someone else pay him stupid money during his declining years.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I could use Adams to gift us a long term plan with the other half of the defense.
….
actually that’s his job

His job is not to have the long term solution at every position figured out at once.

He has put together a pretty damn good (and young) core in short order

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I could use Adams to gift us a long term plan with the other half of the defense.
….
actually that’s his job

They’re converting Portillo to D

 

[Chainshot]

Buffalo Sabres Gift Their Fans with Competitiveness

On Christmas Day, the Buffalo Sabres are still in the playoff hunt. Whether they make it or not, their exciting play is a gift to their fans.

thehockeynews.com

Odd to include all Peterka and Quinn in addition to the rest of the top line but not mention Cozens.

 

[toddkaz]

His job is not to have the long term solution at every position figured out at once.

He has put together a pretty damn good (and young) core in short order

To be honest, there are not that many players on the roster that have Adam's mark. Most are big head.

Also we have no defensive talent in the prospect pool aside from Johnson and he has 1 foot out the door.

 

[SundherDome]

Also we have no defensive talent in the prospect pool aside from Johnson and he has 1 foot out the door.

Wut?

 

[Old Navy Goat]

To be honest, there are not that many players on the roster that have Adam's mark. Most are big head.

Also we have no defensive talent in the prospect pool aside from Johnson and he has 1 foot out the door.

Typically you'd look at Power being part of the pipeline still. Excluding him I expect both Novikov and Komorov to sign and be in Rochester next year. Lindgren sadly has regressed with his new team.

 

[Dirty Dog]

To be honest, there are not that many players on the roster that have Adam's mark. Most are big head.

Also we have no defensive talent in the prospect pool aside from Johnson and he has 1 foot out the door.

Our second line is a kid line developed under him.

Our first line is led by an elite number one center that developed under him and also has Tuch.

But that’s besides the point. The team is figuring out what it has right now. Adams isn’t concerned with his score card vs. Botts. He’s in the early stages of building a team (that is one of the highest scoring teams in the league), and that takes time

He doesn’t need to have long term solutions in place for every position, it’s an absurd standard

 

[K8fool]

Everyone heals , maybe it takes a bad game cocky out of break to rip off 9 of ten and be relavant if they can beat the bruins and either the caps or panthers.
Donnie says they are on a mission and I believe him. Skinner continues setting his linemates and cleaning up.
Okposo and mitts elevate during this stretch. We'll see. Not liking lame predictions from other board and elsewhere and it's time to win games in our division and conf w urgency or face reality. I don't see walls or reality (as we've known it) encroaching anytime soon.
Go Muel and the rest.

 

[Irie]

For me, the best thing Adams has done so far is "not done too much".

He is being patient, not rushing out to put his stamp all over the team with big moves like most insecure new GMs tend to do to prove they belong.

Adams has done a pretty solid job of recognizing the talent that was already here and putting them in prime positions to develop and excel. He has a good record on the contracts he's given out so far, and his patience with picks and the drafting his regime has done has been above average.

He hasn't made huge moves, taken big gambles, or done anything fabulous, but he has created stability from a train wreck and the org is going in a very positive direction. Then I look around the league at several teams with really bad GMs and realize we could be doing so much worse.

It is all about perspective.

 

[RasmWristshotlainen]

For me, the best thing Adams has done so far is "not done too much".

He is being patient, not rushing out to put his stamp all over the team with big moves like most insecure new GMs tend to do to prove they belong.

Adams has done a pretty solid job of recognizing the talent that was already here and putting them in prime positions to develop and excel. He has a good record on the contracts he's given out so far, and his patience with picks and the drafting his regime has done has been above average.

He hasn't made huge moves, taken big gambles, or done anything fabulous, but he has created stability from a train wreck and the org is going in a very positive direction. Then I look around the league at several teams with really bad GMs and realize we could be doing so much worse.

It is all about perspective.

I had a nightmare that Chuck Fletcher took over as GM after Botts. What a relief to wake up from that one....

 

[Irie]

I had a nightmare that Chuck Fletcher took over as GM after Botts. What a relief to wake up from that one....

Perspective. Now you have it

 

[Dirty Dog]

For me, the best thing Adams has done so far is "not done too much".

He is being patient, not rushing out to put his stamp all over the team with big moves like most insecure new GMs tend to do to prove they belong.

Adams has done a pretty solid job of recognizing the talent that was already here and putting them in prime positions to develop and excel. He has a good record on the contracts he's given out so far, and his patience with picks and the drafting his regime has done has been above average.

He hasn't made huge moves, taken big gambles, or done anything fabulous, but he has created stability from a train wreck and the org is going in a very positive direction. Then I look around the league at several teams with really bad GMs and realize we could be doing so much worse.

It is all about perspective.

Yea his patience was rewarded with a number one center…one of the hardest things to get. So his patience really deserves some credit.

He also identified eichel, reinhart, and Ristolainen as players not part of the core and got rid of them quickly.

So yea, patience and good identification of players that shouldn’t be on the team

 

[Djp]

Yea his patience was rewarded with a number one center…one of the hardest things to get. So his patience really deserves some credit.

He also identified eichel, reinhart, and Ristolainen as players not part of the core and got rid of them quickly.

So yea, patience and good identification of players that shouldn’t be on the team

With Risto— it was more of trade him for value before he walks Ehrn contract is done.

With Eichel— self explanatory

Reinhart— this was different. I don’t think there was that level of problems with him from a locker room stand point. I think itwas more of uncertainty on what he was As a player- C vs W, is he a play driver vs a product of who he plays with. I think he didn’t want to sign a long term contract after his bridge.

 

[toddkaz]

Our second line is a kid line developed under him.

Our first line is led by an elite number one center that developed under him and also has Tuch.

But that’s besides the point. The team is figuring out what it has right now. Adams isn’t concerned with his score card vs. Botts. He’s in the early stages of building a team (that is one of the highest scoring teams in the league), and that takes time

He doesn’t need to have long term solutions in place for every position, it’s an absurd standard

Adams now develops prospects too? I like to credit coaches in Rochester and Sabres for developing prospects. GM not so much.

Its an absurd standard that Adams has a plan in place?

Man, I wonder what it feels like to be a bruins fan. They must have different standards.

For me, the best thing Adams has done so far is "not done too much".

He is being patient, not rushing out to put his stamp all over the team with big moves like most insecure new GMs tend to do to prove they belong.

Adams has done a pretty solid job of recognizing the talent that was already here and putting them in prime positions to develop and excel. He has a good record on the contracts he's given out so far, and his patience with picks and the drafting his regime has done has been above average.

He hasn't made huge moves, taken big gambles, or done anything fabulous, but he has created stability from a train wreck and the org is going in a very positive direction. Then I look around the league at several teams with really bad GMs and realize we could be doing so much worse.

It is all about perspective.

Botts said and did the same thing. Perspective is everything.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Adams now develops prospects too? I like to credit coaches in Rochester and Sabres for developing prospects. GM not so much.

If you can’t give Adams credit for the development of Thompson and our kids line, then don’t. Seems unreasonable for a number of reasons, but okay

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Sabres Mailbag: When should GM Kevyn Adams trade for a player to win now?

It’s important to maintain a strong prospect pipeline, but it’s also time to weaponize the embarrassment of riches to get an NHL player you won’t be able to develop from within or sign in free agency, Lance Lysowski says.

buffalonews.com

 

[Ace]

His job is not to have the long term solution at every position figured out at once.

He has put together a pretty damn good (and young) core in short order

He’s been here for two an a half years.

Here are the only defensemen he has worth anything going forward in the entire organization

Dahlin…first overall before he got here
Power…consensus first overall he got for finishing last
Samuelsson…already drafted before he got here

He has nothing in the pipeline, has ignored it completely in the draft, and is letting subpar players play with no plan at all. Not to mention driving those three into the ground because they can’t rely on anyone he left on the roster.

That is his f***ing job. This far into his tenure…having a long term plan at every position is his only f***ing job.

We really have posts in this thread crediting the GM for player development but not wanting to criticize his organizational building.

That’s some next level stuff guys. The only way it could be more homerish is if Jack Edwards did play by play on it