Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

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If you can’t give Adams credit for the development of Thompson and our kids line, then don’t. Seems unreasonable for a number of reasons, but okay
Semantics, but I don't credit a GM much for player development. I do credit a GM for putting together a coherent organization with coaches following the same plan. If those pieces are in place, then good options are there to put players where their development is best served. That's at least a partial contribution, and the rest is on the coaches and of course the player.

KA's "patience" has been much a result of simply needing time to reset after major moves. Risto had to go, Reinhart probably didn't want to stay, and Eichel never gets traded without the neck drama. Some things beyond his control have gone his way, but he's putting/keeping good people in charge of Rochester, Buffalo, and scouting, and making sure everyone's input is valued. Do those things and when good things happen it's not luck anymore.

Edit - he's got to make moves for Dmen. There's no choice but to. Make good moves to balance out the young talent level and it all will make sense. Fail and now there's a big problem.
 
He’s been here for two an a half years.

Here are the only defensemen he has worth anything going forward in the entire organization

Dahlin…first overall before he got here
Power…consensus first overall he got for finishing last
Samuelsson…already drafted before he got here

He has nothing in the pipeline, has ignored it completely in the draft, and is letting subpar players play with no plan at all. Not to mention driving those three into the ground because they can’t rely on anyone he left on the roster.

That is his f***ing job. This far into his tenure…having a long term plan at every position is his only f***ing job.

We really have posts in this thread crediting the GM for player development but not wanting to criticize his organizational building.

That’s some next level stuff guys. The only way it could be more homerish is if Jack Edwards did play by play on it

So we have three top pairing defensemen, and the number one scoring offense? Is that what you’re saying as…a negative? As a strike against roster building?

And I don’t know if you know this (you do), but not drafting defensemen in the last 18 months has absolutely nothing to do with the NHL roster. You seem to be confusing the pipeline with the NHL roster.

You see, you don’t need a huge defensive pipeline when you have a core of samuelsson/power/Dahlin. They can start building that pipeline next offseason. What your actually complaining about is bottom three defensemen. But what you don’t mention is two of them have been injured a bunch. Few teams have depth to deal with that, Sabres don’t…deal with it
 
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Botts said and did the same thing. Perspective is everything.

I would have to politely but vehemently disagree.

From the day Botts was hired, he was wheeling and dealing draft picks. He moved out 15 draft picks in 3 years. Adams has not traded any picks, but has picked up an extra 8 picks in 2.5 years.

On contracts, Botterill was a pretty poor negotiator, (to say the least). He either grossly overpaid, or played hardball and burned bridges and did not negotiate favorable contract lengths. Adams so far has been pretty good, recognizing important players to lock up long term and has negotiated some very team friendly deals.

On drafting, Other than Samuelsson, Botterill did not really find any other draft gems in his 3 drafts. (I do not give him credit for Dahlin or Cozens. Dalin was an obvious unanimous choice, and Cozens was one of two players left in the elite tier of his draft along with Zegras when Buffalo made their selection -I wanted Cozens then, so i was happy, but Cozens was the popular pick among scouts at the time. I also do not give Adams credit for Power for the same reason). Early returns on Adams drafting are looking promising, but it is too early to say it has overall been great, but it is looking pretty good.

Botts' trade record overall was poor. He traded better players for worse players often, and targeted ill-fitting players with most of his picks-for-players deals. Botts had a few good trades, but his overall track-record was pretty negative. Adams has had more good trades than bad. Holding out for the return from Vegas with Eichel, getting the premium he did for Ristolainen, and most of his minor moves haven't sucked. He was fleeced in the Hall trade, but Hall forced that deal with his NTC (but Adams was responsible for the NTC, so I won't give him the pass that some fans do).

Comparing the general state of where the locker-room was after 3 years of Botts vs 2.5 years of Adams, I honestly do not know how you can legitimately imply their results are the same.
 
He’s been here for two an a half years.

Here are the only defensemen he has worth anything going forward in the entire organization

Dahlin…first overall before he got here
Power…consensus first overall he got for finishing last
Samuelsson…already drafted before he got here

He has nothing in the pipeline, has ignored it completely in the draft, and is letting subpar players play with no plan at all. Not to mention driving those three into the ground because they can’t rely on anyone he left on the roster.

That is his f***ing job. This far into his tenure…having a long term plan at every position is his only f***ing job.

We really have posts in this thread crediting the GM for player development but not wanting to criticize his organizational building.

That’s some next level stuff guys. The only way it could be more homerish is if Jack Edwards did play by play on it
i mean joker certainly belongs in that list. you’re acting like the top 6 we have right now is if we were all healthy. i know the depth probably isn’t where we all want it, but when you’re icing your 9th,10th organizational dmen…. i really want to know what you think other teams are icing at that position. ahl players are ahl players. you can’t have 10 nhl dmen on one team. i know our play style makes ahl dmen even more apparent, but stop with this tirade that our actual top 6 is the worst ever iced. they’re competitive. boosh/bryson played well in their 3 games together
 
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Adams is holding his cards and not paying to see the flop, while his stack of assets gets a little taller.

I'm most concerned that another injury along the blueline will force his hand.
 
i mean joker certainly belongs in that list. you’re acting like the top 6 we have right now is if we were all healthy. i know the depth probably isn’t where we all want it, but when you’re icing your 9th,10th organizational dmen…. i really want to know what you think other teams are icing at that position. ahl players are ahl players. you can’t have 10 nhl dmen on one team. i know our play style makes ahl dmen even more apparent, but stop with this tirade that our actual top 6 is the worst ever iced. they’re competitive. boosh/bryson played well in their 3 games together

Yea it’s extremely dishonest to argue about the roster construction of the defense and just pretend we haven’t faced a ton of injuries. Yea our 7-10 guys aren’t great. But that’s the case with most teams
 
And it's not just that they're not great......our 7 guy was showing NHL-level ability last year and has slid back tremendously. And that our #8 has been hot and cold.

Well they did downgrade in the depth department if we look at the established vets who moved on vs. who they have playing right now. Miller, Pysyk, Hagg, and even Butcher have more NHL chops than Fitzgerald, Clague, Pilut, and Davies. Hopefully the top guys get healthy again because missing so many is putting a strain on the depth guys they have. If it was Fitz as the recall instead of the 7, with someone even like Hagg as the 7 in Buffalo, it's probably a bit less painful.
 

In this mailbag article Lance says Portillo is gone but Johnson's status is still in the air. On a recent podcast Lance sounded pretty definitive about Johnson being gone. I think it's easier to say more controversial things on a podcast rather than when it's written down in an article.
 
In this mailbag article Lance says Portillo is gone but Johnson's status is still in the air. On a recent podcast Lance sounded pretty definitive about Johnson being gone. I think it's easier to say more controversial things on a podcast rather than when it's written down in an article.

Controversial things in a podcast is what relieved us of Jerry Sullivan's inane presence.
 
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Lysowski thinks Rosen, 2023 1st, and Portillo’s rights is good enough for Chychrun? First, is he reading my posts on the Arizona board? Second, sold.
 
Lysowski thinks Rosen, 2023 1st, and Portillo’s rights is good enough for Chychrun? First, is he reading my posts on the Arizona board? Second, sold.

If Rosen has an MVP-type tourney,

Float him and the highest 2nd (PHI is currently 37th) which upgrades to 1st if BUF makes the playoffs.

That Philly pick might be a better prospect than you'd get from our unprotected 2024 1st, and ready sooner.

I would also welcome Arizona fans cheering us and Chychrun on down the stretch.
 
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If Rosen has an MVP-type tourney,

Float him and the highest 2nd (PHI is currently 37th) which upgrades to 1st if BUF makes the playoffs.

That Philly pick might be a better prospect than you'd get from our unprotected 2024 1st, and ready sooner.

I would also welcome Arizona fans cheering us and Chychrun on down the stretch.
OR is Rosen your internal Olofsson replacement ?
 
If Rosen has an MVP-type tourney,

Float him and the highest 2nd (PHI is currently 37th) which upgrades to 1st if BUF makes the playoffs.

That Philly pick might be a better prospect than you'd get from our unprotected 2024 1st, and ready sooner.

I would also welcome Arizona fans cheering us and Chychrun on down the stretch.
I could see trading for a foligno in his prime or a younger maroon that can't be moved off the puck than giving away a good player in our pipeline for a top 4 d that is mostly filled when healthy. It would move power to kill it on third pair acquiring chychrun but how is it worth a big contract , Worth giving up two firsts? I don't think so.

I'd Rather have another Samuelson for less that might free up responsibility of a Bryson or power and elevate what we have and keep our talent.
I have no issues trading talent to support our group w a guarantee ( helleybuck , Carey price type) I'll trade two firsts for Sidney Crosby for three years etc but aside from those why add cap when our team hasn't shown it's peak.
Let's see if THIS GROUP can win 8 out of ten and have people begging us to be part of IT.
Have a first line and two or three second line talented groups (in elc learning our system without Savior ego) feasting and wearing down good teams w cap structure less thought out than ours creating our own chychurun by freeing up power.
 
If Rosen has an MVP-type tourney,

Float him and the highest 2nd (PHI is currently 37th) which upgrades to 1st if BUF makes the playoffs.

That Philly pick might be a better prospect than you'd get from our unprotected 2024 1st, and ready sooner.

I would also welcome Arizona fans cheering us and Chychrun on down the stretch.

Or move Olofsson at half-salary and use Rosen as an upgrade at non-PP time.
 
Komorov is having a great year, Novikov in his 2nd year in the KHL, they have Lindgren and Lyckasen.

Sabres op 4 are in their early 20s. Let’s stop this narrative that the Sabres D is in crisis mode and the cupboards are bare. They could draft 3 dmen high this draft.
 
Komorov is having a great year, Novikov in his 2nd year in the KHL, they have Lindgren and Lyckasen.

Sabres op 4 are in their early 20s. Let’s stop this narrative that the Sabres D is in crisis mode and the cupboards are bare. They could draft 3 dmen high this draft.

good post. Our u23 is ridiculous for the position. Cherry-picking the pipeline isn’t very reasonable
 
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It's been a long time boys finally, we are on the way to being a playoff team. I don't know if we are going to get there this year but I have no doubt in my mind, if we miss this year, we will be there the next. I truly believe this core will be the core that brings a cup to Buffalo.
 
Or move Olofsson at half-salary and use Rosen as an upgrade at non-PP time.

I want Chychrun. The charts sold me.

I'd prefer dealing Savoie and would offer him initially to ARZ, but I think they'd ask for Rosen. Both are mega-talented and ideal pieces for a complete rebuild.

Komorov is having a great year, Novikov in his 2nd year in the KHL, they have Lindgren and Lyckasen.

Sabres op 4 are in their early 20s. Let’s stop this narrative that the Sabres D is in crisis mode and the cupboards are bare. They could draft 3 dmen high this draft.

Our record has hinged on the health of a defenseman who was also injured at the end of last season. He blocks shots and plays a ton of minutes.

Get two years of insurance, and reduce everyone else's workload, it's worth it. If not Chychrun, at the position, and I like Joker.

Maybe after those two years, one of those young defenders are ready to get a look, with Power taking over like Dahlin.

Defense is the position I'm willing to pay for. It's going to sting so sooner the better. Forwards and goal can hold IMO – the bottom 6 is capable for now and marginal upgrades would be costly.
 
I want Chychrun. The charts sold me.

I'd prefer dealing Savoie and would offer him initially to ARZ, but I think they'd ask for Rosen. Both are mega-talented and ideal pieces for a complete rebuild.



Our record has hinged on the health of a defenseman who was also injured at the end of last season. He blocks shots and plays a ton of minutes.

Get two years of insurance, and reduce everyone else's workload, it's worth it. If not Chychrun, at the position, and I like Joker.

Maybe after those two years, one of those young defenders are ready to get a look, with Power taking over like Dahlin.

Defense is the position I'm willing to pay for. It's going to sting so sooner the better. Forwards and goal can hold IMO – the bottom 6 is capable for now and marginal upgrades would be costly.
I want Chychrun too. I am all for upgrading the position. It’s the narrative that the position is barren that is a problem for me.
 
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