Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[ValJamesDuex]

Komorov is having a great year, Novikov in his 2nd year in the KHL, they have Lindgren and Lyckasen.

Sabres op 4 are in their early 20s. Let’s stop this narrative that the Sabres D is in crisis mode and the cupboards are bare. They could draft 3 dmen high this draft.

Clague has shown to be a capable 6/7 as well. But seeing a few prospects added would be nice also.

Anyone know how the promionet D are doing that were picked after Leinonen ?

 

[Irie]

Or move Olofsson at half-salary and use Rosen as an upgrade at non-PP time.

Skill aside, how's Rosen looked physically in Rochester? I figured he would be two or three years away as he physically matured enough to handle the pro game.

I think it is ok to have some physically underdeveloped players on the roster if they are insulated with physicality up and down the lineup, but Buffalo seems to be trending smaller, which is likely going to lead to a lot of teams taking advantage of them too often.

Probably not the best situation if Tage, Tuch, Dahlin and Samuelsson have to play the muscle night in and night out.

 

[Djp]

He’s been here for two an a half years.

Here are the only defensemen he has worth anything going forward in the entire organization

Dahlin…first overall before he got here
Power…consensus first overall he got for finishing last
Samuelsson…already drafted before he got here

He has nothing in the pipeline, has ignored it completely in the draft, and is letting subpar players play with no plan at all. Not to mention driving those three into the ground because they can’t rely on anyone he left on the roster.

That is his f***ing job. This far into his tenure…having a long term plan at every position is his only f***ing job.

We really have posts in this thread crediting the GM for player development but not wanting to criticize his organizational building.

That’s some next level stuff guys. The only way it could be more homerish is if Jack Edwards did play by play on it

Uffalo on their roster had Power, Dahlin, Samuelsson, and Jokiharju. Johnson u signed. All drafted since 2017. Thsts a young 4 who can be top 4. The issue is getting depth D to fill out the prospect pool.

hr has some depth D in the prospect pool but not higher profile ones in the AHL.

Well they did downgrade in the depth department if we look at the established vets who moved on vs. who they have playing right now. Miller, Pysyk, Hagg, and even Butcher have more NHL chops than Fitzgerald, Clague, Pilut, and Davies. Hopefully the top guys get healthy again because missing so many is putting a strain on the depth guys they have. If it was Fitz as the recall instead of the 7, with someone even like Hagg as the 7 in Buffalo, it's probably a bit less painful.

thus is apples and oranges here.

already on roster— Joki, Bryson, Dahlin.

Pysyk, butcher, hagg, and Miller were not AHL/ nhl tweezers. They were nhlers.

he replaces them with Samuelsson ( started in Rochester), Power ( signed after college), Lyubushkin, and Fitzgerald

Clague, Pilut, and Davies are AHL/NHL tweener you call up in case of injuries.

Komorov is having a great year, Novikov in his 2nd year in the KHL, they have Lindgren and Lyckasen.

Sabres op 4 are in their early 20s. Let’s stop this narrative that the Sabres D is in crisis mode and the cupboards are bare. They could draft 3 dmen high this draft.

i agree.

they do need to build up the higher end prospect D pool. Hopefully they use a 1st/2nd on D in drsft.

the thing is if you think Power gets a bridge, thrn gets a long high contract thrn they want to have some ELCs on the main roster. That means drafting them in 23 or 24 or trading for some starting their ELC in 24/25 or 25/26.

Johnson if signed after college would be on ELC this year and 23/24, then low bridge contract in 24/25 and 25/26. Johnson being signed would make a big difference.

i just don’t know if he signs With buffalo.

 

[Chainshot]

Skill aside, how's Rosen looked physically in Rochester? I figured he would be two or three years away as he physically matured enough to handle the pro game.

I think it is ok to have some physically underdeveloped players on the roster if they are insulated with physicality up and down the lineup, but Buffalo seems to be trending smaller, which is likely going to lead to a lot of teams taking advantage of them too often.

Probably not the best situation if Tage, Tuch, Dahlin and Samuelsson have to play the muscle night in and night out.

I've been surprised by his resilience thus far. I'm also on record that I'm not interested in moving either of Rosen or Kulich at this time.

 

[thewookie1]

Not interested enough in Chychrun to trade our 1st, Savoie or Kulich to be honest

 

[Der Jaeger]

OR is Rosen your internal Olofsson replacement ?

Or move Olofsson at half-salary and use Rosen as an upgrade at non-PP time.

I’d move Rosen and Olofsson and let Savoie or Kulich replace Olofsson.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Clague has shown to be a capable 6/7 as well. But seeing a few prospects added would be nice also.

Anyone know how the promionet D are doing that were picked after Leinonen ?

If he is a 6th, that's a lousy D. He's not even a top 8 on a good team

 

[Bendium]

I’d move Rosen and Olofsson and let Savoie or Kulich replace Olofsson.

Kulich doesn't have the shot and Savoie may never even make the NHL. If so it is years away from replacement value.

We have got to stop looking at 18-19 year old prospects as ready replacements on our NHL roster.

The sooner we get to a depth level where draft picks have to force their way into the lineup with strong development and good play, the better off we will be. This is partly why I feel we are at the point where we should concentrate some of the driftwood into a couple better NHL bottom half roster players. Stabilize the team play and leave maybe one rotational forward position for prospects to force into or get call up rewards for experience. Hino, Olof, and Aspland are all fighting over 1 roster spot right now. Trade them all in asset concentration trades. If there is an injury, then AHL prospects get some taste.

 

[toomuchsauce]

roster freeze ends in 13.5 hours. do the chychrun trade. do it. Arizona wants picks, give them the picks.

if there's other D out there who could be had, and GMKA is locked in a little snow fort studying the charts and grafs (deliberate mispelling to allude to Graf skates, which guys don't wear anymore but should), finding the best 4/5/6/7 defenseman in the league who is 5'11.5", has no points and is a minus-50 but has a positive xG and denies the most zone entries in the league or w/e, and thus is available for a bag of pucks, then more power to him. But, there are only a handful of teams who are even considering selling any players right now, and chrychryn is one of the few available guys. And he's good. And they need a 4th defenseman. they're not even going to play again until the snow melts, do the trade

 

[Der Jaeger]

Kulich doesn't have the shot and Savoie may never even make the NHL. If so it is years away from replacement value.

We have got to stop looking at 18-19 year old prospects as ready replacements on our NHL roster.

The sooner we get to a depth level where draft picks have to force their way into the lineup with strong development and good play, the better off we will be. This is partly why I feel we are at the point where we should concentrate some of the driftwood into a couple better NHL bottom half roster players. Stabilize the team play and leave maybe one rotational forward position for prospects to force into or get call up rewards for experience. Hino, Olof, and Aspland are all fighting over 1 roster spot right now. Trade them all in asset concentration trades. If there is an injury, then AHL prospects get some taste.

So, we're talking about replacing a player who is now a 3rd liner and on the 2nd power play. He's been a drag on 5v5 play, and his only real great quality is his shot. Does that warrant a spot designator (like 3rd line checking center)? Does he need to be replaced by someone with similar qualities?

I say no to both of thos questions. I think Kulich can replace him without having a the same type of shot and still be effective, probably more effective. And are we really looking at Savoie not making the NHL? 6 months after he was drafted 9th overall? Really?

 

[Bendium]

So, we're talking about replacing a player who is now a 3rd liner and on the 2nd power play. He's been a drag on 5v5 play, and his only real great quality is his shot. Does that warrant a spot designator (like 3rd line checking center)? Does he need to be replaced by someone with similar qualities?

I say no to both of thos questions. I think Kulich can replace him without having a the same type of shot and still be effective, probably more effective. And are we really looking at Savoie not making the NHL? 6 months after he was drafted 9th overall? Really?

I agree.....we should replace Olofsson, and it doesn't have to be with a similar player. In fact, I would rather it be a better, more balanced 2-way 3rd line player.

I disagree that Kulich is ready for a bottom six NHL role.

I have not written off Savoie. Far from it. That said, he has not become anything yet. Any plan with him has to be written in pencil.....maybe even invisible ink. He may never become anything. We do not know. Even if he becomes something, its 3-4 years from now. He is not anywhere near being in the conversation for replacing NHL players at this point.

My point is that neither of the two players you mentioned, should be in consideration right now to replace Olofsson's NHL roster spot.

 

[Fjordsen]

Kulich doesn't have the shot and Savoie may never even make the NHL. If so it is years away from replacement value.

We have got to stop looking at 18-19 year old prospects as ready replacements on our NHL roster.

The sooner we get to a depth level where draft picks have to force their way into the lineup with strong development and good play, the better off we will be. This is partly why I feel we are at the point where we should concentrate some of the driftwood into a couple better NHL bottom half roster players. Stabilize the team play and leave maybe one rotational forward position for prospects to force into or get call up rewards for experience. Hino, Olof, and Aspland are all fighting over 1 roster spot right now. Trade them all in asset concentration trades. If there is an injury, then AHL prospects get some taste.

Adams' drafts are very good, they obviously know what they're doing. Here they didn't believe in Rosen, they didn't believe in Quinn, now they don't believe in Savoie, it's just ridiculous, and then they will eat the crow as always.

Olofsson and Mitts are two players who will probably not be in the team in the summer or next year, there is not enough place for them and they did not look like lock.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I agree.....we should replace Olofsson, and it doesn't have to be with a similar player. In fact, I would rather it be a better, more balanced 2-way 3rd line player.

I disagree that Kulich is ready for a bottom six NHL role.

I have not written off Savoie. Far from it. That said, he has not become anything yet. Any plan with him has to be written in pencil.....maybe even invisible ink. He may never become anything. We do not know. Even if he becomes something, its 3-4 years from now. He is not anywhere near being in the conversation for replacing NHL players at this point.

My point is that neither of the two players you mentioned, should be in consideration right now to replace Olofsson's NHL roster spot.

Two points:

Savoie had the best camp of any of the rookies. He may make the Sabres outright next season. His WHL season doesn't change anything.

The idea of a "top six" and "bottom six" is not a helpful framework. Especially when it seems like Adams and Granato aren't interested in having a traditional 3rd line. The Sabres have acquired no one (draft, trade, free agents) who fits the traditional 3rd line roles. It looks like the Sabres are interested in have 3 scoring lines, with at least the Cozens line taking harder matchups.

In that regard, the Sabres aren't looking to replace Olofsson as a 3rd liner, but just as a scoring winger.

And if the Sabres traded Olofsson for a pick after the roster freeze is over, Granato could run Krebs-Mittelstadt-Asplund and Girgensons-Jost-Okposo lines and those lines would be fine without Olofsson.

 

[debaser66]

Semantics, but I don't credit a GM much for player development. I do credit a GM for putting together a coherent organization with coaches following the same plan. If those pieces are in place, then good options are there to put players where their development is best served. That's at least a partial contribution, and the rest is on the coaches and of course the player.

KA's "patience" has been much a result of simply needing time to reset after major moves. Risto had to go, Reinhart probably didn't want to stay, and Eichel never gets traded without the neck drama. Some things beyond his control have gone his way, but he's putting/keeping good people in charge of Rochester, Buffalo, and scouting, and making sure everyone's input is valued. Do those things and when good things happen it's not luck anymore.

Edit - he's got to make moves for Dmen. There's no choice but to. Make good moves to balance out the young talent level and it all will make sense. Fail and now there's a big problem.

Didn't he already ask for a trade before that

 

[debaser66]

Adams' drafts are very good, they obviously know what they're doing. Here they didn't believe in Rosen, they didn't believe in Quinn, now they don't believe in Savoie, it's just ridiculous, and then they will eat the crow as always.

Olofsson and Mitts are two players who will probably not be in the team in the summer or next year, there is not enough place for them and they did not look like lock.

They should move on from VO for sure, but Mitts can be still used as a cheap vet plug up and down the lineup

 

[Fjordsen]

They should move on from VO for sure, but Mitts can be still used as a cheap vet plug up and down the lineup

Again, kids can get around him, and I liked players like Krebs and Jost more than Mitts this season.

 

[Chainshot]

Didn't he already ask for a trade before that

He did.

 

[Matt Ress]

Again, kids can get around him, and I liked players like Krebs and Jost more than Mitts this season.

I don't know how anyone could have picked them over Mittelstadt for the first 2 months of the season while Krebs has looked serviceable for what, a couple weeks and Jost just joined the team in about that same time frame. What a weird thing to say.

 

[MOGlLNY]

I'd like to use Savoie as our main chip if we are talking our main 4 forward prospects. Rosén and Kulich are proving it against men, Ostlund is intriguing to me as a cerebral 2C/3C and I think the difference in value we'd get in a trade between him and Savoie is worth the "risk"

 

[Fjordsen]

I'd like to use Savoie as our main chip if we are talking our main 4 forward prospects. Rosén and Kulich are proving it against men, Ostlund is intriguing to me as a cerebral 2C/3C and I think the difference in value we'd get in a trade between him and Savoie is worth the "risk"

I wouldn't like it, we have other assets that are cheaper. We may not even need to use expensive assets to get something expensive. Adams, by the way, seems to decline to trade Savoie for Chychrun. Smart.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

If he is a 6th, that's a lousy D. He's not even a top 8 on a good team

Granato had some good things to say about him but likely a fringe ahl/nhl 7/8 guy in the end.

 

[Chainshot]

I'd like to use Savoie as our main chip if we are talking our main 4 forward prospects. Rosén and Kulich are proving it against men, Ostlund is intriguing to me as a cerebral 2C/3C and I think the difference in value we'd get in a trade between him and Savoie is worth the "risk"

I'm still more in the camp of the seconds they have this summer (say, using 2 out of the three) and just about every other draft pick than any of their current stable of prospects. (That is not to say trade ALL draft picks, that's saying use what they have to make a couple of mindful moves to improve, expand and diversify their primary group.)

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

I agree.....we should replace Olofsson, and it doesn't have to be with a similar player. In fact, I would rather it be a better, more balanced 2-way 3rd line player.

I disagree that Kulich is ready for a bottom six NHL role.

I have not written off Savoie. Far from it. That said, he has not become anything yet. Any plan with him has to be written in pencil.....maybe even invisible ink. He may never become anything. We do not know. Even if he becomes something, its 3-4 years from now. He is not anywhere near being in the conversation for replacing NHL players at this point.

My point is that neither of the two players you mentioned, should be in consideration right now to replace Olofsson's NHL roster spot.

Wait, what did I miss? We’re already essentially declaring Savoie a bust? Seems like the sentiment on a few of these last pages, without saying it aloud. Last year it was Rosen during this time, so just curious?

 

[Chainshot]

Clague has shown to be a capable 6/7 as well. But seeing a few prospects added would be nice also.

Anyone know how the promionet D are doing that were picked after Leinonen ?

Some of the small PMD are having nice freshman seasons (Hutson and Casey), Luneau is doing well with Gatineau statistically but I haven't looked in on them at all yet to see if Warren is coming along too. Odelius is on the Swedish U20 team, looks okay. Salomonsson who my keyboard always wants to turn into salmon is hurt and missing the U20's but would be there - he's playing for SHL Skelleftea and we have a poster here who would be a better judge of him as that is his local team. Maybe Hutson due to his D+1, but where does he fit to find those minutes on the Sabres right?

 

[Matt Ress]

Kulich doesn't have the shot and Savoie may never even make the NHL. If so it is years away from replacement value.

We have got to stop looking at 18-19 year old prospects as ready replacements on our NHL roster.

The sooner we get to a depth level where draft picks have to force their way into the lineup with strong development and good play, the better off we will be. This is partly why I feel we are at the point where we should concentrate some of the driftwood into a couple better NHL bottom half roster players. Stabilize the team play and leave maybe one rotational forward position for prospects to force into or get call up rewards for experience. Hino, Olof, and Aspland are all fighting over 1 roster spot right now. Trade them all in asset concentration trades. If there is an injury, then AHL prospects get some taste.

So, should we make our prospects fight for a spot or trade away a bunch of guys that force Amerks up?