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Just a contract offset is all. Basically the same as Fitzgerald.
Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)
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joshjull
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You said they downgraded in the depth department and used vets moving on vs the ones we have to make your point. You appeared to be comparing last season’s #4-7 dmen to this season’s #7 to 11 to bolster your argument. At least thats how I interpreted your post. Thats what I felt was an unfair comparison.
That displacement or change over was of Miller, Hagg, Pysyk and Butcher to Power, Sammy, Fitz with Boosh brought in via UFA. Thats a decent sized upgrade in overall talent and depth from last season regardless of vet status.
I know they don’t have another wave of dmen to come up and grab spots right now. But why does that negate the upgrade in overall talent/depth from last year to this year?
It's a downgrade in that the depth guys coming up aren't as good as the kids who came up last year to displace their way into the top of the lineup. For their foibles, When they went to the Rochester well, they had Samuelsson and Fitzgerald coming up. That's just the nature of where they are in their depth and development cycle. They have improved when they are all in the lineup, it's the difference in having a future NHLer available on recall to come in vs. the various tweeners they have. Not an indictment of Adams, just an assessment of what there is and the issue of having to go to 8/9/10 for minutes in the face of injury.
Not every trade chip needs to be thought of as a bust. Trading Savoie (who has SIGNIFICANT value) may be necessary to acquire a significant return. Kulich (and Ostlund) may make an impact, similar to Peterka/Quinn, sooner than Savoie. Peterka is making 925k and Quinn a bit more than a million. Ostlund and Kulich could be similar, and Savoie could get that missing piece (3C and/or 4thD) and a future pick as well. The prospect pool could not just use balance as far as more defenseman, but also there will he a bottleneck of prospects all with expiring ELCs at about the same time, similar to LAKings. Not all of these forwards can play, not all of then can get PP time in Rochester.
Tampa did need a line of Barclay Goodrow to win the cup.
But seriously, if Tampa still had Coleman/Gourde/Goodrow last season, that series likely goes 7 games, and there is a good chance the Lightning win. Having that line to throw out against the avalanche's top 6 would have made Colorado's life much more difficult.As to your actual point, I somewhat agree, but I believe coaching plays a huge part in the required roster make-up to see playoff success.
For a team like Pittsburgh(15,16) who had their entire roster buying in to Sullivan's defensively smothering system in their cup runs, having a defensively dominant line was no where near as necessary as it has been for other cup winning teams. (The 2009 Pens were loaded with defensive forwards, and I don't think they win with Bylsma's system without them).
For Buffalo, if Granato is the coach that is leading this team during their window, having a defensively dominant line with a physical presence would make match-ups a whole lot easier.
As the team is currently built, they out hustle opponents in a lot of games, but the top 9 are not very disciplined. The 4th line is more disciplined, but not overly physical and not very dangerous. If this team had a third line that could chip in timely goals, while nullifying other teams top lines, this team would be a lock to make the playoffs and likely be the favorite in a series or two, imo.
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Will Ostlund make an impact before Savoie? Come on. I hope Adams doesn't trade Savoie, Rosen, Ostlund and Kulich. ZERO SENSE. Trading picks and less valuable prospects makes a lot more sense.
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Fair enough. I was moreso just wondering when Noah became a Coyote than wanting him
joshjull
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Who created the organization wide focus on development and then hired the people to implement it? I’m pretty sure it was Adams. So yes he gets some of the credit for that. But as you pointed out, so do the people he hired.
What part of the plan don’t you see? Honest question, not attacking.
Botts did nothing to help along development. In fact it was the exact opposite. He was terrible at it.
What else will he say? Pegula kneecapped GM and coach with no money to make team better this year.
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Zman5778
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No. No they did not.
joshjull
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Can we please stop with one of the dumbest talking points going around right now. That Adams doesn’t get credit for the work he‘s done because he didn‘t acquire all the players involved.
Every single GM that gets hired inherits a NHL roster they didn’t build and a prospect pool they didn’t draft. That GM will be working with those pieces one way or another for several years to build his vision for the organization. In what world is it possible not to?
Every single GM that gets hired inherits a NHL roster they didn’t build and a prospect pool they didn’t draft. That GM will be working with those pieces one way or another for several years to build his vision for the organization. In what world is it possible not to?
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The Blunder Years
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Am I insane to think that Savoie is the most expendable out of all our 22’ 1sts? He has the top 10 value, name, and is still a hell of a prospect. I think Kulich and Ostlund slot in pretty easily to our team in one to two years.
I weirdly have trouble seeing where Savoie fits in down the line. Maybe third line RW with Rosen (LW) and Ostlund (C)? Would be a really fun line. Maybe Kulich is Skinners replacement on the top line in a few years?
Just my opinion that Buffalo doesn't trade Eichel just because he asked. Maybe if the neck drama doesn't happen, but there is still another shit season, a trade happens anyway. But the neck stuff pushed any trade reluctance into a necessity.
Djp
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i do t comprehend this logic
when has a top 10 drafted player ever got traded before they even played an nhl game? Excluding things like thr Lindros deal.
they were going to trade him around the same time they did just like they traded Zrei hart and Aristotle before a NMC kicked in. Thst was a given before the injury.
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runs hand in hand with the Adams hasn't moved aggressively enough to fill holes, some people just don't want to hear that proper development and a new coaching staff actually were major solutions to the last decade, even though we've all known coaching and player development have sucked over that time span
at some point everything had never happened before, off the top of my head Sergachev and G. Reinhart had like 5 games before being traded, Sergachev traded for Drouin and Reinhart for picks? So you'd probably be looking at the Sergachev trade as a model, another 2022 pick or someone from the last 3-4 years who has just broken into the league.
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At the moment, only two of them are in the AHL for the near future and Savoie isn't eligible for Rochester until 2024-25 so even then... that's three unless something wildly unforeseen happens with Peterka or Quinn going back down. It gets dicier when they graduate as we already see there is a limited amount of PP time on the big club. Even if they add Ostlund, it's not like the Amerks couldn't use the help in the middle too while he's developing.
There will be deals. It's the timeline on those being longer is all.
Djp
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the issue thrn us what’s in the farm.
Pysyk—>Power
Hagg—> Samuelsson
Miller —> Lyubushkin
Butcher —> Fitzgerald
last year they called Fitz and Samuelson along with Prow an the waiver claim Wolahan. They did not have the same number of injuries on D last year
Samuelsson and Fitz graduated
thry sign Pilut
the issue in Rochester is they don’t have the system prospects ( like a signed Johnson) or other D drafted in 2028, 2019 and 20 draft.
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Djp
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No. It didn’t come out the way because you were comparing Pysyk et all to the AHL call ups we needed to make because of injuries.
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If she doesn’t know what a Zamboni is, I’d say it’s time for a new therapist.
Shhhhh! Keep Cozens next contract value down,,,
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Gerstmann 3:16
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I think the trades that are in the Sabres window right now is more along the lines of acquiring more middle aged, steady, consistent middle 6 players. Like Kyle Okposo, with a few more years on his tires. Savoie certainly doesn't find himself in those deals. Savoie isn't really interesting to talk about unless there's another summer where guys like debrincat, tkachuck, dach are all available. He would have been an interesting piece if the Robertson thing had ever really materialized.
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