Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Der Jaeger]

That is the upside of the current situation.

The downside will be the OMG takes if Adams were to move Savoie in one of those deals and Kulich in the other.

Depends on who he trades them for.

If McDavid suddenly became available, or even Larkin, I'd be ok with parting with any of the 3 1st rounders from 2022.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Let’s call a spade a spade here. This sudden “Savoie is expendable, we should trade Savoie” talk is because people are seeing Kulich, Rosen and Ostlund playing at the WJCs while Savoie is not. If Savoie was on Canada and had put up 2 points in the first game no one would be floating this.

so you're saying that this Savoie is expendable talk is because we have more information now about our other prospects that makes individual prospects less crucial for our pipeline and makes them more available as trade ammo? I believe thats how it works

you think you have 1 or 2 blue chip prospects and then it looks like there might be 3 or 4 and now you dont need that 1 guy as much as you thought you did when he was all there was, like Guhle was untouchable for a while and he wasnt very good

But even outside the "ya thats what happens to prospects" McCabe, Foligno, Girgs, Pysyk, all guys that at 1 point as prospects where completely untouchable and carried that untouchability all the way to the pros, we would have been better off trading all 4 as prospects, maybe its the untouchable crowd that have it wrong in the first place and the Savoie is available crowd that have it right

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

so you're saying that this Savoie is expendable talk is because we have more information now about our other prospects that makes individual prospects less crucial for our pipeline and makes them more available as trade ammo? I believe thats how it works

you think you have 1 or 2 blue chip prospects and then it looks like there might be 3 or 4 and now you dont need that 1 guy as much as you thought you did when he was all there was, like Guhle was untouchable for a while and he wasnt very good

But even outside the "ya thats what happens to prospects" McCabe, Foligno, Girgs, Pysyk, all guys that at 1 point as prospects where completely untouchable and carried that untouchability all the way to the pros, we would have been better off trading all 4 as prospects, maybe its the untouchable crowd that have it wrong in the first place and the Savoie is available crowd that have it right

It’s pretty obvious from their recent drafting the Sabres aren’t just about immediate results - from their draft video and from other draft sources it’s clear Savoie has the most elite “ high end” potential. At least from talk about him…so I don’t think they are in a rush to trade him even with others doing really well

 

[flashsabre]

so you're saying that this Savoie is expendable talk is because we have more information now about our other prospects that makes individual prospects less crucial for our pipeline and makes them more available as trade ammo? I believe thats how it works

you think you have 1 or 2 blue chip prospects and then it looks like there might be 3 or 4 and now you dont need that 1 guy as much as you thought you did when he was all there was, like Guhle was untouchable for a while and he wasnt very good

But even outside the "ya thats what happens to prospects" McCabe, Foligno, Girgs, Pysyk, all guys that at 1 point as prospects where completely untouchable and carried that untouchability all the way to the pros, we would have been better off trading all 4 as prospects, maybe its the untouchable crowd that have it wrong in the first place and the Savoie is available crowd that have it right

So your saying 2 games into a tournament and you have made your decisions on all these guys. I really hope that is not what you are saying.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Longest post ever.. haha ..only read half. Will finish when I'm on the toilet.

I will read it when I retire, mind you English is my third language

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

so you're saying that this Savoie is expendable talk is because we have more information now about our other prospects that makes individual prospects less crucial for our pipeline and makes them more available as trade ammo? I believe thats how it works

you think you have 1 or 2 blue chip prospects and then it looks like there might be 3 or 4 and now you dont need that 1 guy as much as you thought you did when he was all there was, like Guhle was untouchable for a while and he wasnt very good

But even outside the "ya thats what happens to prospects" McCabe, Foligno, Girgs, Pysyk, all guys that at 1 point as prospects where completely untouchable and carried that untouchability all the way to the pros, we would have been better off trading all 4 as prospects, maybe its the untouchable crowd that have it wrong in the first place and the Savoie is available crowd that have it right

The "untouchability" viewed by fans is often based on need or depth at the position. I remember a poll in the 2017 or 2018 off season asking who is the most untouchable player out of possible trade pieces. Ristolainen was voted the most untouchable (overwhelmingly so IIRC) over O'Reilly and others due to the lack of depth at RHD, and perceived depth at center.

Risto has always been a player whose trade value far outweighed the value he brought on the ice, but was always viewed as untouchable because of our lack of quality defenders. Guhle who you listed is another example of an overvalued young player.

We don't know which prospects will pan out yet. It won't be all of them. Whom Adams trades or doesn't trade should be based on the value and quality of the player rather than perceived depth at any particular position.

 

[Matt Ress]

The "untouchability" viewed by fans is often based on need or depth at the position. I remember a poll in the 2017 or 2018 off season asking who is the most untouchable player out of possible trade pieces. Ristolainen was voted the most untouchable (overwhelmingly so IIRC) over O'Reilly and others due to the lack of depth at RHD, and perceived depth at center.

Risto has always been a player whose trade value far outweighed the value he brought on the ice, but was always viewed as untouchable because of our lack of quality defenders. Guhle who you listed is another example of an overvalued young player.

We don't know which prospects will pan out yet. It won't be all of them. Whom Adams trades or doesn't trade should be based on the value and quality of the player rather than perceived depth at any particular position.

Um, I'm hoping Adams takes positional depth into account when making trades. Surely, he has more information than us so it's okay if we don't understand at the time but yeah call me crazy

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Um, I'm hoping Adams takes positional depth into account when making trades. Surely, he has more information than us so it's okay if we don't understand at the time but yeah call me crazy

It's a balance. Positional depth of prospects a couple years away from playing in the NHL isn't as high because they're not all going to pan out like we hope. Perceived depth at a position doesn't always turn into actual NHL depth.

 

[jc17]

This break has put the roster speculation thread in peak offseason mode

 

[Jim Bob]

Depends on who he trades them for.

If McDavid suddenly became available, or even Larkin, I'd be ok with parting with any of the 3 1st rounders from 2022.

There will be plenty of OMG takes if he moves Savoie to rent Larkin.



And dream on about trading for McDavid.

 

[Der Jaeger]

There will be plenty of OMG takes if he moves Savoie to rent Larkin.



And dream on about trading for McDavid.

Agree.

Edmonton is very likely to not trade McDavid. But if they ever did, Buffalo has the assets. 5-6 1st equivalents? Buffalo has 4-6 right off the bat.

Power
Savoie
Kulich
Rosen
Ostlund
1st round pick

As the base deal. No one beats that without seriously degrading their base roster.

 

[Ace]

I just wanted a top 4 D to pair with Power.

yes, prospects have to stop being overrated. The Rangers overrated half a dozen guys and wouldn’t make a genuine offer for Eichel because of it. A year later…what a dumb move we all knew was dumb then.

Tage, Cozens, Dahlin and Power are guaranteed long term to be here as top Cs and Ds. Tuch and Skinner aren’t going anywhere for a while and they play top 6. Quinn and Peterka are under team control for years as top 9 wingers when we roll three scoring lines. Samuelsson is locked in forever as a top 3 D.

We have 6 youngish forwards with top pedigree fighting for very few spots…and that’s not counting ANY of the Russians or most of the forward picks they made the last two years. Savoie, Kulich, Ostlund, Krebs, Mitts and Rosen are all first rounders trying to crack 3 spots. 4 is if Krebs carves out a role as an energy line player.

Again…that’s without even counting on anyone else becoming good. Poltapov, Neuchev, Kisakov, Bloom, Nadeau, Biro, Kozak, Weissback, Cedarqvist, Richard…. More guys. And 4 more top 2 round picks coming!

who‘s untouchable? Dahlin, Power, Tage and Cozens. That’s the list. And thats the point.

This year those guys had a combined salary of less than 10 million dollars. In two years they’ll combine for well north of 30. That advantage is closed forever.

The least they can do is address the need on defense with their hilarious load of forward assets most of which, like most prospects, will inevitably devalue with time.

Ask the Rangers. Ask Brendan Guhle.

 

[Duddy]

No trade to improve the team, we will just wait until Dahlin is 30 and than we start doing trades. That's the kind of stuff winners do. Not improve a team that is scoring like crazy and needs defense help. We just wait and wait and wait and wait. And wait for random prospects that have a less than 10% chance of every making the nhl.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

No trade to improve the team, we will just wait until Dahlin is 30 and than we start doing trades. That's the kind of stuff winners do. Not improve a team that is scoring like crazy and needs defense help. We just wait and wait and wait and wait. And wait for random prospects that have a less than 10% chance of every making the nhl.

good to hear from ya

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

No. No they did not.

Really? $17 M in cap room. Down to 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th d-man and no reinforcements to be had even for late-round pick or waiver guys. Keep telling yourself that.

I think the trades that are in the Sabres window right now is more along the lines of acquiring more middle aged, steady, consistent middle 6 players. Like Kyle Okposo, with a few more years on his tires. Savoie certainly doesn't find himself in those deals. Savoie isn't really interesting to talk about unless there's another summer where guys like debrincat, tkachuck, dach are all available. He would have been an interesting piece if the Robertson thing had ever really materialized.

They do not have to trade any key prospects to may a couple of minor moves to improve the team THIS year but won't do anything.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

They do not have to trade any key prospects to may a couple of minor moves to improve the team THIS year but won't do anything.

I dont know what your point is

there is nothing inherently good about making moves and nothing inherently bad about not making moves

or are you just adding to the narative that Adams doesnt do anything and the Pegulas are cheap?

or just a general statement that they wont make any moves?

confused why you responded to my post

 

[Beerz]

Really? $17 M in cap room. Down to 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th d-man and no reinforcements to be had even for late-round pick or waiver guys. Keep telling yourself that.



They do not have to trade any key prospects to may a couple of minor moves to improve the team THIS year but won't do anything.

I'm not sure anyone predicted us to be the #1 offense in the league and so competitive... it's not hard to see why they didn't make any commitments over the offseason.

 

[Club]

Agree.

Edmonton is very likely to not trade McDavid. But if they ever did, Buffalo has the assets. 5-6 1st equivalents? Buffalo has 4-6 right off the bat.

Power
Savoie
Kulich
Rosen
Ostlund
1st round pick

As the base deal. No one beats that without seriously degrading their base roster.

Call me crazy but I personally wouldn't do this. Even for McDavid. Maybe. But I think out of this bunch, 2 players turn into top 3 forwards. Kulich being one of them.

 

[Matt Ress]

This break has put the roster speculation thread in peak offseason mode

Feels like forever man

 

[Chainshot]

Feels like forever man

U20's Canada-Germany, Nadeau's first game back with Gatineau, Bloom going for North Bay, Savoie's game in Winnipeg starts in 10 minutes, and the Amerks are up 2-0 on the Comets. But I'd still rather it be a Sabres' game.

 

[HaNotsri]

In our first window we need ELC guys in order to compete. We will have 1-3 seasons before we have to downsize.

If Adams continue to do well with extensions the Skinner deal will be up when we hit the real cap crunch.

I'm greedy but I hope the patient rebuild gives us 8 years of being a top 10 team in the league.

 

[Irie]

U20's Canada-Germany, Nadeau's first game back with Gatineau, Bloom going for North Bay, Savoie's game in Winnipeg starts in 10 minutes, and the Amerks are up 2-0 on the Comets. But I'd still rather it be a Sabres' game.

Live feed from Chainshot's hockey headquarters mancave:

 

[Chainshot]

Live feed from Chainshot's hockey headquarters mancave:

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[K8fool]

Recap for the TLDR crowd?

I think I have to state it to remember it in my own head to know this will be an entertaining 50 over the forced days off.. sometimes delete is my friend.

 

[K8fool]

I think I have to state it to remember it in my own head to know this will be an entertaining 50 over the forced days off.. sometimes delete is my friend.

Oh yeah , we're in a rare situation that two different paths who knew and were with the team converged and allowed some risks that weren't really risks to them to take place and be confident in their patience w everyone ( including both witness to a few debacles)