Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Snippit]

Someone on the mains mentioned targeting a Kings RHD because they have an excess. Doughty, Durzi, Clarke, Walker, Roy, Spence.

Unfortunately we don't have a LHD to give them but we certainly have forward assets to potentially dangle.

 

[Djp]

Murray went after a #1 center, Top line winger, starting Goaltender, Top four dman et al.

We have alot less to fill and dont need players as high up in the lineup. It is not even close to the same.

he drafted a 1C. He acquired a low 1C/ high 2C center. Ie ROR=Chychrun

he used a 1st on an NHL ready with 4 yrs of team control goalie ( Lehner~ going out after Demko or thePHX goalie

every talks of a middle 6 forward type. Kane~ 3C type.

sure nbuffalo has more to play with noe because they go more to play with

compare 2008-2012 drafts and thrn the 2012-2015 drafts vs 2016-2019 drafts and thrn 2020-2923 drafts.

buffalo has more stuff in 16-20 than 08-12 drafts.

 

[Butt Ox]

Thanks.

At that price, I think BUF should wait a little - see what the price is and where they are in the standings when they have their week off at the start of February. I am interested in Chychrun, not worried about him resigning. I wanted him his draft year.

Same. That was the consensus choice, with Jame championing Charlie McA. Either would have been the proper way to go.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Murray targeted the wrong players that was his failure.

How many prospects that he traded away turned into anything that we actually missed?

McNabb?
Compher...maybe?

Boeser or Konecny, Roslovic, Aho all could have been drafted in 2015. I mean, TM was gonna go solo on the picks anyway instead of listening to his scouts. It was the best draft in 12 years and exactly what they needed to stock a franchise with terrible depth. Wasted for players with character issues.

 

[Chainshot]

now don't laugh, but a deeper dumpster dive Adams should look at is Kulikov, Ducks are gonna sell it all, probably won't cost much, he's been around the block and can handle some minutes, rewrite his Sabres career...just shut the bench door

Considering his commentary about his mental struggles while in Buffalo, I can't see him as wanting to come back. He has an 8-team NTC and it would be shocking to have the site of a trauma on his list of places to go.

 

[Fjordsen]

Someone on the mains mentioned targeting a Kings RHD because they have an excess. Doughty, Durzi, Clarke, Walker, Roy, Spence.

Unfortunately we don't have a LHD to give them but we certainly have forward assets to potentially dangle.

Roy, Durzi, Spence and Grans would probably be interesting. We also have goalie prospects, which Los Angeles doesn't have. Pick + prospect combo could do it, not sure LA would be interested in someone like Olofsson or Mittelstadt, they have a good pool forwards prospects.

 

[Beerz]

Boeser or Konecny, Roslovic, Aho all could have been drafted in 2015. I mean, TM was gonna go solo on the picks anyway instead of listening to his scouts. It was the best draft in 12 years and exactly what they needed to stock a franchise with terrible depth. Wasted for players with character issues.

I mean you can use the argument of who could of been drafted anytime you trade a pick.

Like I said.. he chose the wrong people besides ROR to spend capital on.

If he chose the right goalie..if he chose the right dman..if he chose the right winger for Eichel...things would of looked a lot different.

It wasn't a bad plan..it was bad execution

 

[jc17]

Saw this on the Wings board, but felt it was worth sharing.

The tweet is about how bad Chiarot/Seider have been, but take a look where Sammy/Dahlin are

ENHANCE

 

[Irie]

Keep buying it. There was Ethan Bear. Guy Tampa was waived. They are not great players by any stretch, but they are better than playing AHL-level guys the Sabres have going. We played our 7,8,9,10 depth guys one game and 7,8,9 another, and frankly, Bryson and Fitzgerald. We had a great west coast swing but counting on this D to hold together is risky. You have $17 M in cap room, depth can be added with no costed to the future. PEGULA WON'T SPEND.

Would not surprise me if Bear is on waivers when Dermott returns. With the emergence of Pederson, the optics from that trade would not be bad at all for Allvin.

Not entirely sure what you would expect to get out of a guy like Bear, but imo, I would not expect much, if any, of an upgrade on Clague.

 

[Irie]

I see very few people here arguing for a Murray style rebuild, selling off multiple first round draft picks and trading multiple top prospects to bring in 3-5 top players. However, we clearly have alot more unknown quantity assets (prospects/picks) than we have room for. And the developing core is at a place where it could benefit greatly from some talent concentration and rebalancing of the bottom half of the roster. Meatballs has done a good job of giving talent an opportunity to shine over the last 1.5 years. The stuff that still lacks luster needs to be moved. To improve what you get back WILL require other assets. We need to stop being afraid to make trades. Its a normal part of team building, and continued winning will do more for the current core right now than the 6 assets represented by the 2 first and 4 second round picks we have coming in the next 2 drafts.

The thing is that they don't really have more quality assets than they have room for, they just have a surplus of the same type of asset. If Adams can swing a deal to parlay a couple of forward prospects into solid D prospects and another goalie prospect, the log-jam would be broken.

And for the record, I am not saying never trade any picks or prospects to improve the team, but they absolutely have to avoid trading a trove of high end assets for a player that will likely bolt in just over two years. Those are the type of impatient moves that sink rebuilds.

 

[Beerz]

The thing is that they don't really have more quality assets than they have room for, they just have a surplus of the same type of asset. If Adams can swing a deal to parlay a couple of forward prospects into solid D prospects and another goalie prospect, the log-jam would be broken.

And for the record, I am not saying never trade any picks or prospects to improve the team, but they absolutely have to avoid trading a trove of high end assets for a player that will likely bolt in just over two years. Those are the type of impatient moves that sink rebuilds.

Why likely bolt?

People said same thing about ROR

 

[Jacob582]

Would not surprise me if Bear is on waivers when Dermott returns. With the emergence of Pederson, the optics from that trade would not be bad at all for Allvin.

Not entirely sure what you would expect to get out of a guy like Bear, but imo, I would not expect much, if any, of an upgrade on Clague.

I've read reports that they may extend Bear.

 

[Irie]

Why likely bolt?

People said same thing about ROR

Look at the teams salary structure and how it will likely play out in the next three years.

Power more than likely gets a big contract.

Dahlin we know is going to be at the top of the league in D-man salaries after he likely gets some of Norris votes this season.

They have Samuelsson above 4.

What are they going to be able to afford with Skinner still on the books, Quinn and Peterka needing new deals, Cozens cashing in sooner rather than later, and Tage and Tuch's deals still in the mix up front?

Chychrun has been somewhat underpaid for a few years, he is going to get a big payday, and might require a premium to stay in Buffalo with the tax situation and the limited draw it offers.

There is always a chance, but I am being realistic.

If I were a betting man, I would always bet with the odds, and odds are Chychrun would walk or require a premium that prices him out of Buffalo..

 

[Jacob582]

Someone on the mains mentioned targeting a Kings RHD because they have an excess. Doughty, Durzi, Clarke, Walker, Roy, Spence.

Unfortunately we don't have a LHD to give them but we certainly have forward assets to potentially dangle.

We could trade them Clague?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I mean you can use the argument of who could of been drafted anytime you trade a pick.

Like I said.. he chose the wrong people besides ROR to spend capital on.

If he chose the right goalie..if he chose the right dman..if he chose the right winger for Eichel...things would of looked a lot different.

It wasn't a bad plan..it was bad execution

My thesis is that Buffalo didn't have enough meat on the bones to build a team even with good targets. They were far too light all-around.

In 2016 the magical 81 point year which some people used as proof that TM was a genius; their top 6 D was:

Gorges - Risto
McCabe - Bogo
Franson - Pysyk

The forwards:

Kane - RoR - Gionta (37)
Moulson - Eichel (19) - Reinhart (20)

The bottom 6 Girgs, Larsson, McGinn, Foligno, Deslauries, Legwand

That's just, not a very strong lineup even if Kane and Bogosian had been better versions of themselves.

 

[Diaspora]

Look at the teams salary structure and how it will likely play out in the next three years.

Power more than likely gets a big contract.

Dahlin we know is going to be at the top of the league in D-man salaries after he likely gets some of Norris votes this season.

They have Samuelsson above 4.

What are they going to be able to afford with Skinner still on the books, Quinn and Peterka needing new deals, Cozens cashing in sooner rather than later, and Tage and Tuch's deals still in the mix up front?

Chychrun has been somewhat underpaid for a few years, he is going to get a big payday, and might require a premium to stay in Buffalo with the tax situation and the limited draw it offers.

There is always a chance, but I am being realistic.

If I were a betting man, I would always bet with the odds, and odds are Chychrun would walk or require a premium that prices him out of Buffalo..

Bridge Power until Skinner is off the books. If JC can't be re-signed and he's still worth it, someone will pick him up and replenish some of our draft capital.

The net difference is the price of having him in the lineup for the intervening time.

 

[Irie]

I've read reports that they may extend Bear.

He is currently being scratched in favor of Stillman.

For whatever reason, Vancouver management seems to like Poolman. They gave up a 3rd for Dermott, and I doubt they move on from him.

We shall see, but my gut tells me Bear is the odd-man out when they get healthy.

 

[Diaspora]

Just joining this conversation... What is the current asking price for Chychrun from non-fan sources? is there a consensus of the range?

TSN says AZ wants three pieces.

 

[brian_griffin]

Look at the teams salary structure and how it will likely play out in the next three years.

Power more than likely gets a big contract.

Dahlin we know is going to be at the top of the league in D-man salaries after he likely gets some of Norris votes this season.

They have Samuelsson above 4.

What are they going to be able to afford with Skinner still on the books, Quinn and Peterka needing new deals, Cozens cashing in sooner rather than later, and Tage and Tuch's deals still in the mix up front?

Chychrun has been somewhat underpaid for a few years, he is going to get a big payday, and might require a premium to stay in Buffalo with the tax situation and the limited draw it offers.

There is always a chance, but I am being realistic.

If I were a betting man, I would always bet with the odds, and odds are Chychrun would walk or require a premium that prices him out of Buffalo..

Why wouldn’t Quinn & Peterka get QOs if their deals are concurrent with a Chychrun extension?

 

[Diaspora]

Why likely bolt?

People said same thing about ROR

JC will never lose his love for the game.

 

[Irie]

Bridge Power until Skinner is off the books. If JC can't be re-signed and he's still worth it, someone will pick him up and replenish some of our draft capital.

The net difference is the price of having him in the lineup for the intervening time.

The days of guaranteed bridges are over, unfortunately. If Power continues to improve like he has been, it is most likely going to be in everyone's best interest to sign him long-term. It will save a ton of cap and headache going forward, especially if they can get him signed longterm before the cap makes a substantial jump.

Say they give up a ton of assets for Chychrun, and they then enter the start of their window in two years. Trading away a top four D to recoup some of those assets during a playoff push would be a terrible look. The fans and the rest of the team would revolt. With that in mind, there would be a very real chance of losing him for nothing.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

The days of guaranteed bridges are over, unfortunately. If Power continues to improve like he has been, it is most likely going to be in everyone's best interest to sign him long-term. It will save a ton of cap and headache going forward, especially if they can get him signed longterm before the cap makes a substantial jump.

Say they give up a ton of assets for Chychrun, and they then enter the start of their window in two years. Trading away a top four D to recoup some of those assets during a playoff push would be a terrible look. The fans and the rest of the team would revolt. With that in mind, there would be a very real chance of losing him for nothing.

Losing him for nothing? It’s the Vegas way!

 

[Irie]

Why wouldn’t Quinn & Peterka get QOs if their deals are concurrent with a Chychrun extension?

Not really sure what you mean, sorry.

Quinn and Peterka will most definitely be qualified, but they will not sign those offers. They are both going to get substantial raises. Now whether or not either player is bridged or signed longer-term in a gamble to save future cap is yet to be seen, but there is a chance either or both will be substantial hits on Buffalo's cap in 25-26 preventing the Sabres from giving Chychrun a premium contract.

 

[brian_griffin]

Not really sure what you mean, sorry.

Quinn and Peterka will most definitely be qualified, but they will not sign those offers. They are both going to get substantial raises. Now whether or not either player is bridged or signed longer-term in a gamble to save future cap is yet to be seen, but there is a chance either or both will be substantial hits on Buffalo's cap in 25-26 preventing the Sabres from giving Chychrun a premium contract.

They sign or they don’t play. They’ll get a token raise but anything remotely rich won’t be until their 3rd contracts, when they will still be RFAs most likely. I think you overestimate their leverage.

 

[Jacob582]

TSN says AZ wants three pieces.

Counter with '23 Philly 2nd, '24 1st (top 10 protected) and Mittelstadt.