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Zman5778 said:
That feels a little light for BOTH Chych and Vejjie.

I'm thinking your #4 is an and. As in, "2 of these".

Plus maybe a mild sweetener if (when?) that 23 1st gets punted to 24.
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I'd still do it - eg:

-VO
-Ostlund
-lottery protected '23 R1 which becomes unprotected '24 R1
-highest of our '23 R2s
-'24 R3 which instead becomes an additional '23 R2 if we miss the playoffs

It's a small price to pay if it potentially fills the two biggest roster needs moving forward. Yet it might still be enticing enough for Arizona if they are looking for futures.
 
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5. Was talking trades with one GM this week. “What kind of calculator are you using?” he asked. “None of this stuff is mathematically possible.”
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Like @Chainshot has pointed out, the lack of cap space around the league is making moves hard.

8. The name we’re always discussing in Arizona is Jakob Chychrun, but more and more I’m wondering about Karel Vejmelka. Whether you believe in Moneypuck’s Goals Saved Above Expected metric (he’s first) or Clear Sight’s (third), he’s having a fantastic season and is signed for two more years at a $2.725M AAV.

Back in the 1993 MLB expansion draft, the Florida Marlins shocked everyone by taking highly-paid closer Bryan Harvey — with the rationale being they wanted to give their young players (and fans) a few extra opportunities to win. Vejmelka’s got the same effect here, but if I needed a goalie and had the assets? (Purely made up by me: would Los Angeles go after both Chychrun and Vejmelka?)
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NHL trade board 2022-23: Bo Horvat is off the market, injuries pile up and more updates on top deadline targets

Here are the names generating the most buzz around the league, with analysis from Eric Duhatschek, Pierre LeBrun and Michael Russo.
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2. Jakob Chychrun, Coyotes​

The price remains the price: two first-round picks plus another asset as part of any package for Chychrun. And it’s a price justified by his bargain $4.6 million average annual value for another 2 1/2 years — a bargain for a top-pairing defenceman. (After all, forward Brandon Hagel went for two first-round picks last year, his cheap AAV being a central reason.) But this is also about Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong knowing he doesn’t have to trade Chychrun. If nobody pays the price, he can wait until the offseason, and he’s reminded teams of that. On the flip side, the reason the Coyotes have not delayed in talking to teams since Chychrun returned from injury is that they have some incentive to try to move him before other selling teams put more blueliners on the trade market ahead of March 3. Ottawa has always made the most sense to me, though those first-round picks would have to be lottery-protected, of course. I’m not sure the Senators want to pay that price. It might be too rich for them. It’s believed the Senators have mentioned to the Coyotes the idea of taking on Nikita Zaitsev ($4.5 million AAV this season and next) in the trade if they ever get that far. Another team I wonder about is Los Angeles. The Kings showed interest in Chychrun last year. They’re deep on the right side but could use him on the left, perhaps. — LeBrun

11. Matt Dumba, Wild​

Traded or not, this is probably the end of the erratic defenseman’s run in Minnesota. The 2012 first-round pick once looked like he would be as good an offensive sharpshooter as there was in the NHL — until he got into a fight with Matthew Tkachuk in December 2018 and tore his pectoral muscle into smithereens. He hasn’t been the same since, yet he has survived two expansion drafts, years of trade rumors and, without a doubt, several attempts by the Wild to trade him. Even if he were willing to take a significant paycut to stay, the Wild will move on this offseason because of their perceived blue-line depth among prospects. They have playoff aspirations but may still be willing to trade Dumba in a lateral move. He has been a liability too many nights this season. — Russo

16. Anthony Duclair, Panthers​

The Panthers don’t want to trade him, but they’ve been walking a salary cap tightrope all season. They’re in such a bind, they put Patric Hornqvist on long-term injured reserve the day after sustaining a concussion to free up space for recalls. Well, Hornqvist is already practicing, but he isn’t eligible to come off LTIR for five more games. So general manager Bill Zito may be forced to trade Duclair if he can’t figure out a way to clear cap space before Duclair’s return from a torn Achilles tendon. And that time could be approaching. Panthers coach Paul Maurice said Duclair began skating Dec. 13, and a day later he said he’s weeks (not months) away from a return. Duclair will be highly sought-after if he’s available. He’s fast, can score and is appealing with a year left on an affordable deal. — Russo

20. James Reimer, Sharks​

On a bad Sharks team that hemorrhages goals, Reimer had a .911 save percentage and had saved nearly four goals more than expected through mid-November. He hit the skids a bit after that, then got hurt, but he’s back now, and the Sharks will be looking for him to get back to form in hopes of getting an asset for him. Come trade deadline time, if a team needs a goalie, he is a proven performer who wouldn’t be overcome by the pressure of the playoffs. — Russo

23. Cam Talbot, Senators​

The Senators have been one of the league’s biggest disappointments after what many deemed a terrific offseason. One of the moves during that offseason was acquiring Talbot, who wasn’t pleased after being sidelined by the Wild in the playoffs in favor of Marc-Andre Fleury until a must-win Game 6 — after he’d reeled off a career-best 15-game point streak to end the regular season. With Ottawa well on the outside looking in, if a team is in trouble from a goalie standpoint, Talbot makes perfect sense. He’s an actual No. 1 who two years ago was solid for the Wild during a first-round exit against Vegas. — Russo

25. Luke Schenn, Canucks​

His agent, Hankinson, created a firestorm recently when he tweeted a CanucksArmy.com article pumping up the value of his client and wrote, “Luke Schenn…perfect deadline acquisition.” Canucks Twitter figured that was Schenn’s agent’s way of saying Schenn wanted out in advance of the deadline. Hankinson and Schenn have both since walked it back, but regardless, the rugged defensive defenseman and two-time Stanley Cup champ would be appealing to a team that needs to bulk up on the back end or add depth. — Russo
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Those are the names that interested me the most.

And one guy that intrigues me as a potential 3C for next season is on the list, too. I doubt it happens, but I think it would be really, really interesting.

7. Jonathan Toews, Blackhawks​

Toews himself said in the offseason that he had little to no trade value if he wasn’t playing at a high level, yet here we are in mid-December and Toews has been one of Chicago’s best performers. He can still skate, still score, still win big draws and, as we all know, is as competitive as heck. So would his first-quarter play entice teams with playoff aspirations in desperate need of a center? You betcha. Toews made clear in the summer that a rebuild wasn’t all that appealing to him, so if a contender comes calling, one expects that he’d waive his no-move despite the fact that he has played, by all accounts, with a great attitude. — Michael Russo
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Overheard at the NHL board of governors meetings: Trade chatter, rule changes, playoff expansion?

There was news on the salary cap and the Senators sale. But GMs and other execs had quite a lot else on their mind this year.
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Trade block(ed)​

There were a handful of general managers at the board of governors meetings (or "with governor access" as some put it). In conversions with a handful of them, one large theme emerged.

Summed up by one general manager: "It's impossible to get a trade done right now. Nobody can get anything done."

There are a few reasons in-season transactions have been hard to come by. The rash of injuries have put a few teams' plans on hold. The parity in the league is more pronounced than ever before, meaning several teams are nearing Christmas and still don't know what direction they'll go in (for example, the St. Louis Blues). Others are wondering if this is a year to go chasing when so many teams have a chance.

But after conversations with several general managers, the biggest cited reason for the hold-up: the number of teams pressed against the salary cap, which has remained mostly stagnant following the pandemic.

That means teams are waiting as long as possible to get their business done, allowing their cap space to accrue for maximum flexibility. Once we get closer to the March 3 trade deadline, general managers predict things will heat up.

"Might not be busy for you now, but I think you'll be very busy on March 3 this year," one GM said. "There's going to be a lot of players, a lot of teams in the mix."

One trend to watch out for is the reemergence of "third-party brokers," as teams with the luxury of cap space will step up to retain salary on a deal to pick up extra assets. As a reminder, an NHL contract is allowed to have a maximum of two teams retaining salary on it, and that retention is maxed out at 50% per team. Per the CBA, teams can have only three contracts with salary retention at a time.

Teams expected to engage as third-party brokers this season include the Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Arizona Coyotes, Anaheim Ducks and San Jose Sharks -- all teams building for the future.
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It is interesting that they did not mention the Sabres as a broker given all the cap space they have.
 
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I'm going to continue to beat the "we don't need anyone as splashy or expensive as Chychrun, Horvat or Parayko drum".

I think we need to upgrade the middle of our line up, which also upgrades the bottom half as guys get pushed down slots.

We need a ~26-28 year old top 4d-man who will be worth every penny of his $4.5-6.5m extension. Think Samulesson but older.

Guys like Dunn, Soucy, Dumba, Severson, Graves, Gavrikov. All pending UFAs of the right age who play in the top 4.

WPG also seems open to trading anyone but Morrisey. Schmidt, Pionk, Dillon, Demelo.

I don't have opinions on any of these guys individually as I haven't really watched any of them outside of when they play against the Sabres.
 
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BFLO said:
I'm going to continue to beat the "we don't need anyone as splashy or expensive as Chychrun, Horvat or Parayko drum".

I think we need to upgrade the middle of our line up, which also upgrades the bottom half as guys get pushed down slots.

We need a ~26-28 year old top 4d-man who will be worth every penny of his $4.5-6.5m extension. Think Samulesson but older.

Guys like Dunn, Soucy, Dumba, Severson, Graves, Gavrikov. All pending UFAs of the right age who play in the top 4.

WPG also seems open to trading anyone but Morrisey. Schmidt, Pionk, Dillon, Demelo.

I don't have opinions on any of these guys individually as I haven't really watched any of them outside of when they play against the Sabres.
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Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Murphy/DeMelo
Dillon/Mikkola - Joki/Boosh
 
They need to figure out the net. They need a “right now” guy who is not 41 that can provide some consistency in net. Another Anderson but young enough that they can ride him for a long stretch. This team can compete with consistent goaltending.
 
flashsabre said:
They need to figure out the net. They need a “right now” guy who is not 41 that can provide some consistency in net
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Comrie's had all of 2 games with our top 3.....and he looked rock solid in those 2 games.

I'm not saying he's our long-term starter............but I'm also not saying he's not. We don't know.
 
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Chainshot said:
Also, while it isn't necessarily how it turns out but I have this thought that if they trade Rosen, it winds up being the "new" Filip Forsberg deal.
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Then Adams needs to find a career 20 goal scorer to trade for. If that forward arrives and suddenly stops scoring, even better.
 
BFLO said:
I'm going to continue to beat the "we don't need anyone as splashy or expensive as Chychrun, Horvat or Parayko drum".

I think we need to upgrade the middle of our line up, which also upgrades the bottom half as guys get pushed down slots.

We need a ~26-28 year old top 4d-man who will be worth every penny of his $4.5-6.5m extension. Think Samulesson but older.

Guys like Dunn, Soucy, Dumba, Severson, Graves, Gavrikov. All pending UFAs of the right age who play in the top 4.

WPG also seems open to trading anyone but Morrisey. Schmidt, Pionk, Dillon, Demelo.

I don't have opinions on any of these guys individually as I haven't really watched any of them outside of when they play against the Sabres.
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What u described is exactly Parayko. And he’s not gonna cost an arm and a leg…..I can promise u Vince Dunn is the opposite of what u guys need on D. Gavrikov would probably be the next best next to Parayko in terms of being the Samuelsson partner for power
 
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