Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

[Fjordsen]

Would you trade Mitt's + for Konecny ? We know Farrabee was of interest as he was rumored to be part of the Risto deal.

Easy yes

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

The more I think about it, Philly has some nice players I’d like the Sabres to target. Konecny is one of my favorite guys (since he’s like Skinner in that he’s a skilled dink), Farabee, Sanheim, hell even Scott Laughton for a more defensive center.

There is no way the higher ups at that organization can think lying to themselves is more sustainable than gaining futures.

Can't see Philly committing to a rebuild while they have Holmgren and Clarke running the show, they seem resistant to the idea from what I've see Flyer fans saying.

 

[Team Cozens]

The more I think about it, Philly has some nice players I’d like the Sabres to target. Konecny is one of my favorite guys (since he’s like Skinner in that he’s a skilled dink), Farabee, Sanheim, hell even Scott Laughton for a more defensive center.

There is no way the higher ups at that organization can think lying to themselves is more sustainable than gaining futures.

The fact Konecny was going after Matthews is I need to know. Go get him if he is available.

 

[old kummelweck]

Levi can't get here quick enough.

 

[Zman5778]

Teams don't have 4 top pairing guys -- do you realize that the word "pair" implies two?

Owen Power will never be a top pairing defenseman because he won't be paired with Dahlin -- intersting to know! In 5 years you'll sound like a moron saying that he's a second pairing defenseman even though he has the most TOI on the whole team.

I feel like you're being intentionally persnickety here. TOI isn't always an indication of a "top pairing" defenseman or a "top line" forward.


Anton Stralman wasn't a top pairing defenseman, yet he was paired with Hedman for years.

Dahlin and Power are (or will be) top-pairing defensemen, but very rarely pair together.

"Top pairing" or "top line" is usually more directly related to talent than it is TOI.

 

[Zman5778]

Levi can't get here quick enough.

Remember when we said that Eichel couldn't get here quick enough? Levi shows potential, but anointing him as some sort of savior is folly.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I feel like you're being intentionally persnickety here. TOI isn't always an indication of a "top pairing" defenseman or a "top line" forward.


Anton Stralman wasn't a top pairing defenseman, yet he was paired with Hedman for years.

Dahlin and Power are (or will be) top-pairing defensemen, but very rarely pair together.

"Top pairing" or "top line" is usually more directly related to talent than it is TOI.

You get a like just for using persnickety

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

What will the NHL standings look like in three years? We predict the future

8. Buffalo Sabres

CATEGORY	SCORE
Young core (U23) and prospects	10
Roster	4
Ownership and market	5
Management and coaching	6.5
Salary cap situation	6.5
Total	6.24

 

[Zman5778]

What will the NHL standings look like in three years? We predict the future

I was reading this on my phone while proctoring my final about 5 hours ago and we were ranked 18......and there was a comment absolutely lambasting the article for putting us so low.

I wonder if they made a typo or something earlier, because the paragraphs under our ranking read the same.

Maybe a mobile glitch?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

If you think a team has two and only two top pairing defenseman at one time, you are the silly one.

That is like saying that Malkin has been a 2nd line center his whole career.

Samuelsson is absolutely a complementary top pairing defensive defenseman.

How does one define a "top pairing" dman? How does one define a second line C? Seems pretty subjective to me.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I feel like you're being intentionally persnickety here. TOI isn't always an indication of a "top pairing" defenseman or a "top line" forward.


Anton Stralman wasn't a top pairing defenseman, yet he was paired with Hedman for years.

Dahlin and Power are (or will be) top-pairing defensemen, but very rarely pair together.

"Top pairing" or "top line" is usually more directly related to talent than it is TOI.

Everyone defines it different

I just learned that a team can have 4 "top pair" defensemen and still be one of the worst teams in the league -- what a sport!

 

[Diaspora]

I love watching this team play man. Easily the most entertaining team in hockey to watch imo.... and i'm a blues fan.....


Question for you guys, obviously depth on D is wee bit of concern in terms of playoffs this year and probably for the next 2-3....

I was wondering what Sabres fans are thinking the next big move will be and when.... Are you guys content staying with whatcha got for this year and just letting the guys continue to gel and build together? Or do you guys think a veteran D or Fwd added to the mix would help? Obviously you guys have an embarassement of riches when it comes to A/B level prospects and draft picks right now......

If you guys were interested in immediate help (that could also be around longer term and provide veteran leadership) would Colton Parayko and or Ivan Barbashev tickle your guys fancy? Parayko gets a bad rap on here from people that expected him to become the next chris pronger or be an immediate and easy alex pietrangelo replacement and he just isn't that. But he is an absolute mutant at 6'5 and skates/gallops like the wind, he's a stud defensively(especially in important games) and his skating allows him to recover from his or others mistakes extremely often. Think of it as adding a right handed samuelsson with a smidge less puck skill but loads of more experience.

I figured

Dahlin-Sammy
Power-Parayko

would be a ridiculous top 4 D core for the next however many seasons and allows you to put joker into a 5-6 slot which probably makes that pairing one if not the best 3rd pair in the league and the trickle down effect with bryson/pilut-joker and lyubushkin gives you guys a nice 8 man unit that you'll be able to rotate in and out of the bottom pair. Or allows you flexibility this offseason to trade joker somewhere where he'll get top 4 opportunity(or maybe he's in the paryako deal lol) that can clear some cap for you guys. I personally don't see how joker fits long term with you guys just given composition. I figure a veteran cup winning D that can mentor power etc.... would be exactly what you'd need.

Would love to know sabres fans thoughts on this type of acquisition and what you guys would be willing to part with

Also, figure Barbashev is an Adams type of guy who could fit into your bottom 6 as well and provide speed, energy, physicality with a surprisingly nice shot(60 pts last year, tho it's an outlier, hes ideally a 3rd line LW that can play C if needed)


I also think Toronto fans and media would absolutely lose their minds if you guys acquired Parayko lmaooo

The reaction in Toronto got to me. Almost posted the shut-up-and-take-my-money gif.

But isn't Parayko underperforming his contract somewhat? That's not to say he doesn't have value. Just that the contract may be slightly distressed.

I'm of the opinion that there are already good pieces in our pipeline that might never see our roster. Combine a pick or two and a lesser roster player and there might be a deal to be found.

What are the Blues looking for?

 

[TehDoak]

Remember when we said that Eichel couldn't get here quick enough? Levi shows potential, but anointing him as some sort of savior is folly.

I mean, at a minimum, we should look back at Miller, and see how he got absolutely lit up in the NHL after winning the hobey baker for MSU and how long it took him to get over that. Levi has great potential. Rushing him to the NHL would be a huge mistake.

 

[old kummelweck]

Remember when we said that Eichel couldn't get here quick enough? Levi shows potential, but anointing him as some sort of savior is folly.

It was your choice to add hyperbole.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Would you trade Mitt's + for Konecny ? We know Farrabee was of interest as he was rumored to be part of the Risto deal.

There's no way in hell Philly would make that trade but I would in a second.

 

[joshjull]

With no changes to the roster, I still expect this team will finish above Montreal, Ottawa, and Detroit in the division. Having Comrie return to early season form, or the defense getting healthy should assure that. Having a #5 blueliner brought in maybe puts them neck and neck with Florida.

They may just get that if Boosh comes back healthy.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

With no changes to the roster, I still expect this team will finish above Montreal, Ottawa, and Detroit in the division. Having Comrie return to early season form, or the defense getting healthy should assure that. Having a #5 blueliner brought in maybe puts them neck and neck with Florida.

When I looked at standings last night thats what I thought. Finish above those teams just ahead of them now and the Wings with some wins vs the top clubs head to head on merit as well with not playing backup goalie caveats.

 

[Djp]

I love watching this team play man. Easily the most entertaining team in hockey to watch imo.... and i'm a blues fan.....


Question for you guys, obviously depth on D is wee bit of concern in terms of playoffs this year and probably for the next 2-3....

I was wondering what Sabres fans are thinking the next big move will be and when.... Are you guys content staying with whatcha got for this year and just letting the guys continue to gel and build together? Or do you guys think a veteran D or Fwd added to the mix would help? Obviously you guys have an embarassement of riches when it comes to A/B level prospects and draft picks right now......

If you guys were interested in immediate help (that could also be around longer term and provide veteran leadership) would Colton Parayko and or Ivan Barbashev tickle your guys fancy? Parayko gets a bad rap on here from people that expected him to become the next chris pronger or be an immediate and easy alex pietrangelo replacement and he just isn't that. But he is an absolute mutant at 6'5 and skates/gallops like the wind, he's a stud defensively(especially in important games) and his skating allows him to recover from his or others mistakes extremely often. Think of it as adding a right handed samuelsson with a smidge less puck skill but loads of more experience.

I figured

Dahlin-Sammy
Power-Parayko

would be a ridiculous top 4 D core for the next however many seasons and allows you to put joker into a 5-6 slot which probably makes that pairing one if not the best 3rd pair in the league and the trickle down effect with bryson/pilut-joker and lyubushkin gives you guys a nice 8 man unit that you'll be able to rotate in and out of the bottom pair. Or allows you flexibility this offseason to trade joker somewhere where he'll get top 4 opportunity(or maybe he's in the paryako deal lol) that can clear some cap for you guys. I personally don't see how joker fits long term with you guys just given composition. I figure a veteran cup winning D that can mentor power etc.... would be exactly what you'd need.

Would love to know sabres fans thoughts on this type of acquisition and what you guys would be willing to part with

Also, figure Barbashev is an Adams type of guy who could fit into your bottom 6 as well and provide speed, energy, physicality with a surprisingly nice shot(60 pts last year, tho it's an outlier, hes ideally a 3rd line LW that can play C if needed)


I also think Toronto fans and media would absolutely lose their minds if you guys acquired Parayko lmaooo

not touching ParayKO with a 10 ft pole with that boat anchor contract. That is a bad contract. I have no interest in barbashev. I don’t believe you give players 28+ long contracts

buffalo in looking fir a D will be looking fir something more shorter term In their mid 20s.

with uncertainty on the cap they will not invest in a 29+ player for that long.

thr have a surplus of forwards 8n their prospect pool. I would have liked them to draft a D in the 1st. Hopefully Johnson will sign post college but I’m unsure he dies.

long term the team is fine if they do something like

Samulsson-Dahlin
vet-jokiharju
Power-lyubuskin

in a couple years

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-vet
Johnson/ ELC-Jokiharju( or a vet mid 20s)
plus ELC D depth in the farm

 

[TheMistyStranger]

When I looked at standings last night thats what I thought. Finish above those teams just ahead of them now and the Wings with some wins vs the top clubs head to head on merit as well with not playing backup goalie caveats.

A lot of Buffalo's losses this year have been good games, too. Some puck luck away from being right there with Florida, imo.

 

[HaNotsri]

With the news about the cap I somehow became more of a Kane believer.
Very few teams can pay him.

 

[joshjull]

It's not mental pressure. It's learning the mental side of playing D in the NHL. Positioning, reading plays, working on everything the coaches are coaching in game situations.

The physical requirements of NHL players is just part of what the players have to develop to be successful. Focusing on the hockey-side sense of the game is usually a bigger challenge to young defensemen than physically making plays, and players make more mental mistakes as their minutes reach a certain level. 24-25 minutes for Power is too much right now. 24-26 with a ton of PK minutes is too much for Jokiharju and Samuelsson.

Hell, even Dahlin tends to make less mistakes when he is playing less than 25 minutes. Yet he has played over 28 in regulation twice in the last handful of games.

This is getting absurd. You’re trying to make sweeping assertions based on a sample size thats meaningless (first it was one game, then two games)

-Sammy and Joker do not play 24-26mins a night.
-But a dman like them playing more minutes than their “norm” from time to time is perfectly normal.

If you want to go on about the grind of a seasson you need a meaniful sample size. Well I used the entire season to date. There is nothing unusual about the mintues played by Dahlin, Sammy and Joker. Dahlin plays #1 dman minutes and the other two o play normal top 4 minutes. Nothing you’ve posted has proven otherwise.

 

[Zman5778]

A lot of Buffalo's losses this year have been good games, too. Some puck luck away from being right there with Florida, imo.

I'm still certain we lead the league in posts and crossbars hit.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Weirdly when the Sabres played the Blues, I was posting in their GDT about the guy. We pretty much agreed that Mikkola + small add for Joker would work as a basis for a trade. Or the middle of the Sabres 3 2nds.

I don't see a huge need to trade for him, just sign him in the offseason.

 

[Gabrielor]

Is Parayko even remotely available?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I'm still certain we lead the league in posts and crossbars hit.

There's no team cumulative stat I could find.

NHL Stats

That will give you the report on a per player basis, you could export to excel and filter by team. They look to be high, Peterka, Thompson, Skinner, Olafsson all have 5; but can't tell from a glance they're the highest.

EDIT: Buffalo has 33 which is high, Florida has 34. A lot of other good teams: Dallas/Tampa/Toronto have high 20s.