Roster Talk: Nearing the 20 game mark

[Winger23]

Look at TOI... King regularly plays over 15 mins a game. Pearson has not. Maybe if Pearson sticks on the top line sure. King makes Lewis money, can log big mins on any line, isn't a defensive liability, and scored 1 less goal then Brown last year. Yes King at 1.9 is as important to the team as Pearson. If Pearson was on Kings level defensively he'd be a lock in the top 6. He's only now just getting a look because other players have been ineffective. Conversely... if King was on Pearson's level offensively he'd be a lock in the top 6 as well. That's the point... one's better at offense, ones better a defense, and it isn't me saying this. It is Sutter with the players TOI.

It isn't all about scoring with Kings hockey... except when it comes to Lewis/Brown.

Edit: I checked Pearson's average TOI a while ago... it was something like 13:50 while he was leading the team in goals last year... it's kinda shocking/funny... if he's playing with Kopitar maybe he'll log more time.

Pearson was a lock on the 2nd line last year prior to breaking his leg. The only reason he started on the 3rd line was because of the acquisition of Lucic. Sutter loves his grinders with the ice time to king but In no way shape or form is king a top 6 forward like Pearson is.

Look at it this way, it's much easier to replace king and his defense than it is with Pearson in the top 6. There is no way they are on the same level.

If you want to talk cap hit Pearson is actually cheaper than king by I believe 550k.

 

[Mike Carr]

Lucic has been great for us - Good points total with goals and assists , but lots of goals have gone in with him planted infront of the keeper (so no assist but a big reason for the puck going in)
we need to do all possible to re-sign him
how much do people think Mcnabb and Lewis will want/get offered ?

 

[Trolfoli]

Pearson was a lock on the 2nd line last year prior to breaking his leg. The only reason he started on the 3rd line was because of the acquisition of Lucic. Sutter loves his grinders with the ice time to king but In no way shape or form is king a top 6 forward like Pearson is.

Look at it this way, it's much easier to replace king and his defense than it is with Pearson in the top 6. There is no way they are on the same level.

If you want to talk cap hit Pearson is actually cheaper than king by I believe 550k.

Lucic didn't have anything to do with Pearson starting in the top 6. That's on Sutter. I was pretty sure Sutter wasn't going to put Pearson with Carter/Toffoli this summer. I'm actually somewhat shocked that Brown's been moved down to the 3rd line this early in the year.

It isn't much easier to replace King. He's solid defensively and can still make a play with the puck. While not as good at offense as Pearson, he's light years ahead of other defensive replacements. I get the feeling King is really underrated around here.

Plus King has the edge on the Troll Face after scoring.

 

[LAKings88]

T.Enstrom is rumored to be available.

Not sure about salary, but I always thought he was pretty sound.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

T.Enstrom is rumored to be available.

Not sure about salary, but I always thought he was pretty sound.

He's good, but small and aging...doesn't really bring anything that Martinez or Muzzin don't except a cap hit of 5.75.

 

[BigBrown]

T.Enstrom is rumored to be available.

Not sure about salary, but I always thought he was pretty sound.

2 more years after this at 5.75M. Would be a good get but short of them accepting Brown in a trade it doesn't seem like a fit salary wise.

 

[deeshamrock]

Yeah, unsure where the money's going to come from, but I think Lombardi will be open to trade(s) to create cap space to sign Lucic.

And give another LTC to a player close to 30? They have 5 already and given Lucic was traded because Boston wouldn't give him the 7M/8yr deal, neither will the Kings.
It's bad business to have that many players in their 30's on LTC's. And also, the Kings first priority after Kopi is the $$$ for Toffoli, esp if he ends up north of 35 goals. His agent will use similiar metrics and he'll want an LTC in the same range. And Pearson also will require a new deal among others.
All Lucic is doing is stealing Pearson's points. Pearson would have fared just as well on the 2nd line.
He was a rental, he'll move on.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

He's good, but small and aging...doesn't really bring anything that Martinez or Muzzin don't except a cap hit of 5.75.

I'm a big fan of his game, but yes he does not really fit for the Kings right now with all the depth Kings have at LD. He's never played RD.

 

[Trolfoli]

And give another LTC to a player close to 30? They have 5 already and given Lucic was traded because Boston wouldn't give him the 7M/8yr deal, neither will the Kings.
It's bad business to have that many players in their 30's on LTC's. And also, the Kings first priority after Kopi is the $$$ for Toffoli, esp if he ends up north of 35 goals. His agent will use similiar metrics and he'll want an LTC in the same range. And Pearson also will require a new deal among others.
All Lucic is doing is stealing Pearson's points. Pearson would have fared just as well on the 2nd line.
He was a rental, he'll move on.

Your judgement is clouded by hate.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Your judgement is clouded by hate.

Agreed.

Can't quite understand why some people hate Lucic so much. I love the guy!

 

[johnjm22]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-york-islanders-trying-to-trade-hamonic/

Sportsnet reporting Hamonic asked for a trade. Prefers Western Canada.

He's 25 years old, right-handed, and is locked up at 3.8 for four more years.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-york-islanders-trying-to-trade-hamonic/

Sportsnet reporting Hamonic asked for a trade. Prefers Western Canada.

He's 25 years old, right-handed, and is locked up at 3.8 for four more years.

I'm sure Lombardi would have him high on his shortlist of dmen to acquire, given that he'd be a suitable 2nd pairing, right hand option, but given his contract and the cost of acquiring him, I would say it is unlikely that the Kings are in on him.

A top 4 of Doughty, Muzzin, Hamonic and Martinez is so enticing...

 

[johnjm22]

Snow apparently wants NHL talent in return, not picks/prospects. Edmonton seems like a logical destination.

 

[Fishhead]

Snow apparently wants NHL talent in return, not picks/prospects. Edmonton seems like a logical destination.

McNabb, Erhoff, and Weal are NHL talent. Perhaps if we describe them well Snow would bite.

"A hard-hitting, up and coming defenseman with size and smarts, still cost controlled"

"A top scorer at every level he's played at with loads of talent, victim of a numbers game in LA"

"A grizzled vet to add stability and structure to the back end which will prove invaluable in the playoffs.

 

[Herby]

No one wants Errorhoff, that is why he signed for so little here.

McNabb has some value but the Isles are looking for a solid 2nd pair guy for their playoff run, McNabb is not a 2nd pair guy at this point.

 

[Fishhead]

No one wants Errorhoff, that is why he signed for so little here.

McNabb has some value but the Isles are looking for a solid 2nd pair guy for their playoff run, McNabb is not a 2nd pair guy at this point.

Well yea, but the descriptions.... It's like pricing stuff at 19.99 to make it look cheap.

Realistically it would take something like Martinez & King at a minimum, likely more. I doubt he would want to come to LA seeing how far it is anyways.

 

[kingsfan28]

Well yea, but the descriptions.... It's like pricing stuff at 19.99 to make it look cheap.

Realistically it would take something like Martinez & King at a minimum, likely more. I doubt he would want to come to LA seeing how far it is anyways.

LA isn't really Western Canada, but does he have a say where he can go? He's also gonna cost more than those two, might have to throw in Nolan.

 

[Fishhead]

LA isn't really Western Canada, but does he have a say where he can go? He's also gonna cost more than those two, might have to throw in Nolan.

Yea for sure. I don't think LA be a great fit, no need to disrupt what we have going and we wont have the pieces they would want available. He's one of the more valuable defensman that's been available in a while. Obviously not for sheer talent, but as far as bang for buck, you can't get much better.

I hope the Isles get a decent return for him, it's a tough situation.

 

[johnjm22]

Snow will want one of our NHL defenseman in return.

The thing is, I actually like our defense right now. McNabb has great upside. Forbort looks to be a solid bottom 4 guy. Martinez is on track to become a quality 2nd pairing defenseman. Mcbain seems like one of those late bloomers that becomes a good bottom pairing guy. Muzz is Muzz. Doughty is Doughty.

We do need some depth, and another right hand shot, but I don't want to give up any of these guys up right now.

 

[Ron*]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-york-islanders-trying-to-trade-hamonic/

Sportsnet reporting Hamonic asked for a trade. Prefers Western Canada.

He's 25 years old, right-handed, and is locked up at 3.8 for four more years.

I'm sure Lombardi would have him high on his shortlist of dmen to acquire, given that he'd be a suitable 2nd pairing, right hand option, but given his contract and the cost of acquiring him, I would say it is unlikely that the Kings are in on him.

A top 4 of Doughty, Muzzin, Hamonic and Martinez is so enticing...

Don't really want a guy that is not a team player. Requesting a trade at age 25 from a team that could contend for the Cup doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence. Reportedly, it's for family concerns, but no information is available just what the family issues might be.

So I am more inclined to say: pass.

 

[Herby]

Travis Hamonic doesn't want to raise his children in the mean streets of Oyster Bay or Garden City. He certainly won't want to mess with the even rougher streets of the South Bay, players talk I'm sure he heard from Ryan Smyth how he barely made it out alive.

 

[The Pale King]

I don't think Hamonic saying he wants to play in Western Canada is a dig at California. The reality is, his dollars will go a lot farther in Alberta or Manitoba than they would in Los Angeles. Plus, the part of the year where he's working is the part where those places aren't exactly the most pleasant. Summers in either province are great. "Cabin culture" is pretty fantastic. Maybe he knows he's more focused on hockey when there's snow on the ground. Who knows? Not to mention you're more of a celebrity out there, if you're into that sort of thing.

Smythe though, that's a different story.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

If the Kings are serious about trading Kopitar, you get a stop gap Center in the trade.

And you let Kempe continue to develop at Center in Ontario. Kempe is a better Center than he is a winger.

Kempe is the Kings future Top Center, in my opinion. Kempe already played few games at Center this season, looks real good so far.

Send Kopitar + McBain to the Isles for Ryan Strome and Hamonic.
Though the Isles wouldnt do it.

Colin Miller, who would still be 1+ years away from making the Kings has 7 points in 14 games on the Bruins blueline...ties him with Kopitars 7 points...altough Kopitar has tons more minutes and PP time...oh, and Miller is a rookie dman...not a top center veteran.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130532

 

[Ron*]

Send Kopitar + McBain to the Isles for Ryan Strome and Hamonic.
Though the Isles wouldnt do it.

Colin Miller, who would still be 1+ years away from making the Kings has 7 points in 14 games on the Bruins blueline...ties him with Kopitars 7 points...altough Kopitar has tons more minutes and PP time...oh, and Miller is a rookie dman...not a top center veteran.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130532

 

[Oh Snap]

Send Kopitar + McBain to the Isles for Ryan Strome and Hamonic.
Though the Isles wouldnt do it.

Colin Miller, who would still be 1+ years away from making the Kings has 7 points in 14 games on the Bruins blueline...ties him with Kopitars 7 points...altough Kopitar has tons more minutes and PP time...oh, and Miller is a rookie dman...not a top center veteran.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130532

What did I just read?