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Could be true, particularly w/response to demacles & consistency... Jones had at least a couple rough games last year, but so did Quick, and really hard not to see it as a product of the rough games the team had in front of them.

I just can't help but see our willingness to give games to the backup (lol, 2?) as a bit of a change/growth/departure from our previous thinking and was curious to see if others agreed I guess. Seems more in line with what we said we were planning to do last year (but didn't because Quick was "good" or Jones was "bad" while more realistically the TEAM was bad and we didn't want the lesser goalie behind them)

Perhaps would be a better series of posts if I were dedicated enough to look up quotes, articles and stats... But leading into 13/14 Randford spoke of resting Quick more, which never seemed to happen. Perhaps he finally got his way. Perhaps Jones didn't allow it, Perhaps Quick forced his stay in goal... Whatever it is, we seem more willing to allow this mentality with Enroth.

I tend to think it was slightly that Quick was good, and mostly the team was bad and we didn't want to "risk it", I also think we would like Enroth to stay, and are willing to rest Quick while giving him more games to make it happen, win win. We MAY have regretted giving Jones so few starts and making his case for leaving stronger.
 
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scryan said:
Could be true, particularly w/response to demacles & consistency... Jones had at least a couple rough games last year, but so did Quick, and really hard not to see it as a product of the rough games the team had in front of them.

I just can't help but see out willingness to give games to the backup (lol, 2?) as a bit of a change/growth/departure from our previous thinking and was curious to see if others agreed I guess.
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Jones has been the same way this year too. I joke with my Sharks fan buddy that if he doesn't get a shutout, as soon as he gets one goal on him, it's a blowout incoming.

They seem to have really liked what they saw in Enroth in practice, and keep making reference to some changes they made in his game.
 
Brad Doty said:
Jones has been the same way this year too. I joke with my Sharks fan buddy that if he doesn't get a shutout, as soon as he gets one goal on him, it's a blowout incoming.

They seem to have really liked what they saw in Enroth in practice, and keep making reference to some changes they made in his game.
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I WILL stay on record as saying that half way through the season, you will find at least one thread in the Sharks forum questioning having Jones as their starter. I think there will be a decent few unhappy with him by seasons end.

I don't know that I have seen Enroth stand out much beyond Jones so far, I liked them both as our backup. I've seen more bad games from Jones, but also seen more games from him in general... His first 8 starts here were ridiculous, not just because of wins. All of Scrivens wins and I still am not too high on him. I am not sure that had we kept Jones at Enroth money and term, and given him the starts Enroth has had it would be much different/worse.

I know Randford had a few changes he wanted Enroth to make, and that they found he adapted well. And hard to deny he has been great for us.

Also worth noting that his first start was based on HIS history vs the team we played, and this one was based on OUR history vs the team we played...So its not just like we are handing out arbitrary starts.

Just found our willingness to give games to the backup so far to be different then norm and worth discussion.... But I hope it continues, not only his strong play but the rest for Quick. Hard to ignore the fact that most of our/Quicks successful seasons end in surgery for Quick.
 
Shots at ES through 19 games:

Brown - 52 (1 goal)
Carter - 45 (6)
Doughty - 40
Lewis - 39 (2)
Toffoli - 34 (5)
Gaborik - 34 (2)
Muzzin - 33 (1)
Pearson - 30 (2)
McNabb - 26
Lucic - 24 (5)
Shore - 22 (2)
Martinez - 21 (1)
Kopitar - 18 (5)
Ehrhoff - 18
Nolan - 15
Clifford - 13
Andreoff - 12 (1)
McBain - 8
Forbort - 8

First of all, Brown and Lewis? No wonder this team can't score. Between Brown, Doughty, and Lewis, 3 of the top 4 shooters, there's 1 ES goal with a goalie in the net.

More importantly, Kopitar. The only guys he's ahead of, or tied with, are the 4th line, and the 5th, 6th, and 7th defensemen. He's not even that far ahead of them either. Sadly, and this goes back to the first point, Kopitar sits 4th on the team in ES goals. Second on the team in PP shots with 11, but 0 goals.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Shots at ES through 19 games:

Brown - 52 (1 goal)
Carter - 45 (6)
Doughty - 40
Lewis - 39 (2)
Toffoli - 34 (5)
Gaborik - 34 (2)
Muzzin - 33 (1)
Pearson - 30 (2)
McNabb - 26
Lucic - 24 (5)
Shore - 22 (2)
Martinez - 21 (1)
Kopitar - 18 (5)
Ehrhoff - 18
Nolan - 15
Clifford - 13
Andreoff - 12 (1)
McBain - 8
Forbort - 8

First of all, Brown and Lewis? No wonder this team can't score. Between Brown, Doughty, and Lewis, 3 of the top 4 shooters, there's 1 ES goal with a goalie in the net.

More importantly, Kopitar. The only guys he's ahead of, or tied with, are the 4th line, and the 5th, 6th, and 7th defensemen. He's not even that far ahead of them either. Sadly, and this goes back to the first point, Kopitar sits 4th on the team in ES goals. Second on the team in PP shots with 11, but 0 goals.
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Definitely concerning to see Kopitar that low on the list. Almost unbelievable with the minutes he plays. Wonder what's going on with the guy.
 
BigBrown said:
Definitely concerning to see Kopitar that low on the list. Almost unbelievable with the minutes he plays. Wonder what's going on with the guy.
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At this point it's kind of expected really, this trend has been going on for several seasons. He's right around where he was last year.
 
Those stats are either incorrect, or mislabeled.

Kopitar has 80 shot attempts. The 12th most of any player in the entire NHL, and the 4th most of any center in the league.
 
johnjm22 said:
Those stats are either incorrect, or mislabeled.

Kopitar has 80 shot attempts. The 12th most of any player in the entire NHL, and the 4th most of any center in the league.
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It might be shots on goal vs. attempts. Can't check right now though.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Shots at ES through 19 games:

Brown - 52 (1 goal)
Carter - 45 (6)
Doughty - 40
Lewis - 39 (2)
Toffoli - 34 (5)
Gaborik - 34 (2)
Muzzin - 33 (1)
Pearson - 30 (2)
McNabb - 26
Lucic - 24 (5)
Shore - 22 (2)
Martinez - 21 (1)
Kopitar - 18 (5)
Ehrhoff - 18
Nolan - 15
Clifford - 13
Andreoff - 12 (1)
McBain - 8
Forbort - 8
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Add an extra 15 to each of our defensmen for the high and wide shots and 25 for Doughty.:nod:
 
johnjm22 said:
Those stats are either incorrect, or mislabeled.

Kopitar has 80 shot attempts. The 12th most of any player in the entire NHL, and the 4th most of any center in the league.
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That's net SAT when on the ice. Just total shots for minus shots against while on the ice. Carter's SAT is 38, 20 less than his 58 shots for example.

The best indication of total shot attempts is individual corsi, which is shots+missed shots+shots that are blocked.

Kopitar is in the middle of the pack in total iCorsi with 57, but for forwards only above the 4th line and Milan Lucic. In any game, Kopitar directs 3 shots towards the net on average. If you look at iCorsi per 60 minutes, Kopitar is 17th only above Shore and McNabb. That is absolutely terrible, and completely unacceptable.

Kopitar is not shooting, and he's shooting even less than last year.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...14&type=individual&sort=icorsi60&sortdir=DESC
 
Fishhead said:
That's net SAT when on the ice. Just total shots for minus shots against while on the ice. Carter's SAT is 38, 20 less than his 58 shots for example.

The best indication of total shot attempts is individual corsi, which is shots+missed shots+shots that are blocked.

Kopitar is in the middle of the pack in total iCorsi with 57, but for forwards only above the 4th line and Milan Lucic. In any game, Kopitar directs 3 shots towards the net on average. If you look at iCorsi per 60 minutes, Kopitar is 17th only above Shore and McNabb. That is absolutely terrible, and completely unacceptable.

Kopitar is not shooting, and he's shooting even less than last year.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...14&type=individual&sort=icorsi60&sortdir=DESC
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If Dustin Brown keeps those numbers up, he has to break through at some time. He is generating so many shots.
 
johnjm22 said:
Either way, it disproves the myth that Kopitar isn't shooting.
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Then not enough of his shots are on net, or getting to the net, when he shoots. Since so many goals are scored in close, and 3 of Kopitar's 5 have been that way, if he's not getting the puck to the net, there's no opportunity for his wingers to score. That's if his wingers can find their own way to the net, which has been an issue by itself.
 
FWIW.....

The Mayor John Hoven ‏@mayorNHL 1h1 hour ago
Update on Kopitar talks - told by multi sources close to situation, currently around 8yrs @ $9.75M (remember, can only get 7yrs on open mkt)
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8 x $9.75M = $78M, would take caphit in excess of $11M on a 7 year deal to match total dollars.
 
KopitarFAN said:
FWIW.....

The Mayor John Hoven ‏@mayorNHL 1h1 hour ago
Update on Kopitar talks - told by multi sources close to situation, currently around 8yrs @ $9.75M (remember, can only get 7yrs on open mkt)
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8 x $9.75M = $78M, would take caphit in excess of $11M on a 7 year deal to match total dollars.
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Just get it done already.
 
They didn't specify if that was what the kings were offering or that was what kopitar was for but if the kings offered that and he isn't accepting, I think he is gone. I'm kind of shocked the kings want to sign him for that long at that rate. Oh well, I'd hate to see kopitar play with anyone else so hopefully they do sign him.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
They didn't specify if that was what the kings were offering or that was what kopitar was for but if the kings offered that and he isn't accepting, I think he is gone. I'm kind of shocked the kings want to sign him for that long at that rate. Oh well, I'd hate to see kopitar play with anyone else so hopefully they do sign him.
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What they are reporting offering him is way way too much IMO. I thought I would share. That is all.
 
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