Speculation: Roster Speculation, 2018 Off-Season

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Hutton checks all the boxes. The Sabres have emphasized character and all the stories are how great a teammate Hutton is and how he supports and mentors the other goalie. He is the best guy to support and help develop Ullmark.

It is exactly what Ullmark needs. If the 3rd year is the cost of acquiring the guy that really fits then so be it. Especially if they are competing with over 10 teams for him.

Their real only other option for the future is Pekka Luokennen and he is 3 years away anyway.
 

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Swedish hockey writer Uffe Bodin strongly feels the Sabres need the right veteran partner for Dahlin.

this is funny and accurate.
Neither a new coach in Phil Housley nor a new general manager of Jason Botterill could remedy the loser mentality that seemed to have linked his grip on the club. I remember seeing one of Saber's first matches of the season, against the New Jersey Devils, and staggered at how bad they were.
 

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3 years at $4 million AAV is reasonable. Ullmark shouldn't be expected to get the starting job at any point this season unless Hutton/whoever gets injured or Ullmark stands on his head every game he plays.
 

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Not that it's a good thing, but that's about what we'd be paying Lehner anyways... and Hutton certainly sounds like a better locker room guy/mentor/high character type. Maybe even a better goalie.

I dunno much about players in the league outside of the Sabres, but it sounds like a fit to me.
 
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Swedish hockey writer Uffe Bodin strongly feels the Sabres need the right veteran partner for Dahlin.

this is funny and accurate.

If he plays on the right, could Scandella be that guy?

If he doesn’t play on the right, which Botts should probably assume, Botts needs to prioritize a vet RHD acquisition.
 

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High for a back-up, low for a starter. He may be either. It'd be a problem contract if we had 2-3 goalies looking to break out in the next 3 years. We have only one, and he will be the other goalie in the NHL. Even if he can't hack the starting role, it's just an overpaid back-up.

It's after 3 years when Dahlin's contract comes that cap is really going to be a concern.
 

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$4 million per for Hutton scares me. Blues goalie, small sample size, turning 33 years old. But he’s a good leader and we don’t have many other options, so it might be worth the cap hit
 

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$4 million per for Hutton scares me. Blues goalie, small sample size, turning 33 years old. But he’s a good leader and we don’t have many other options, so it might be worth the cap hit

Does turning 33 years old even matter in the slightest? We not trading for a franchise goalie, we are looking for a veteran stop gap, and plenty of goalies perform at a high level till late thirties.
 

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Why is that? That seems counterintuitive

It's in the buyout calculation.

They structured the buyouts to stop teams from front loading deals so they could buyout the last few years consequence free. Moulson's contract giving us almost zero savings in buyout is an example of that.

Because of that, the buyout calculation actually favors "backloaded" deals.

Buyout FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
 
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High for a back-up, low for a starter. He may be either. It'd be a problem contract if we had 2-3 goalies looking to break out in the next 3 years. We have only one, and he will be the other goalie in the NHL. Even if he can't hack the starting role, it's just an overpaid back-up.

It's after 3 years when Dahlin's contract comes that cap is really going to be a concern.

You’re looking at it the wrong way. Whether Buffalo brings in Hutton or someone else, they are likely to play the 1a, 1b role for the next couple years.

$4m/per is not “high” for a backup (even if that is what they become) because Ullmark is on such a cheap deal for the entire contract. Buffalo could be paying their NHL goalies a total of ~$5m each year for the next three years. That is fantastic cap management as long as one of them excels.
 

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It's in the buyout calculation.

They structured the buyouts to stop teams from front loading deals so they could buyout the last few years consequence free. Moulson's contract giving us almost zero savings in buyout is an example of that.

Because of that, the buyout calculation actually favors "backloaded" deals.

Buyout FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Moulson had the double whammy of front loaded + high signing bonuses which makes it virtually buy out proof. Same thing with Okposo and ROR.
 

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You’re looking at it the wrong way. Whether Buffalo brings in Hutton or someone else, they are likely to play the 1a, 1b role for the next couple years.

$4m/per is not “high” for a backup (even if that is what they become) because Ullmark is on such a cheap deal for the entire contract. Buffalo could be paying their NHL goalies a total of ~$5m each year for the next three years. That is fantastic cap management as long as one of them excels.
We're in agreement. But, it's not arguable that 4 million is high for a back-up goalie. We paid 2.5 million for Johnson last year and that was a record high number for an on-purpose back-up signing. 5 million total for goalies for next 3 years is really low, just like you said, so I'm not worried about Hutton if he falls into a back-up spot being paid what he is.
 

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Does turning 33 years old even matter in the slightest? We not trading for a franchise goalie, we are looking for a veteran stop gap, and plenty of goalies perform at a high level till late thirties.
Wow, I had absolutely no idea he was that old.
 

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We need a gt and Hutton would be better than randomly dressing the 10th caller to wgr.
 

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It's in the buyout calculation.

They structured the buyouts to stop teams from front loading deals so they could buyout the last few years consequence free. Moulson's contract giving us almost zero savings in buyout is an example of that.

Because of that, the buyout calculation actually favors "backloaded" deals.

Buyout FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Right. The idea is that in a frontloaded contract, you're paying more in salary than cap hit in the early years. Essentially, teams get an advantage against the cap for those years. With backloaded deals it's the opposite. There's a larger cap hit in the earlier years for a lower salary. The team is essentially paying "extra" cap space for those years. The buy-out cap hit in both respects partly makes up the difference.

For an illustrative example let's look at three contracts, with the length/AAV, but different salary structures.
Contract A, the frontloaded option: $6M/$6M/$5M/$4M/$4M
Contract B, the flat option: $5M/$5M/$5M/$5M/$5M
Contract C, the backloaded option: $4M/$4M/$5M/$6M/$6M

Let's suppose then that we wish to buy out each of these contracts after year 3. Here's what the buy-outs would look like:
Contract A: $2.33M/$2.33M/$1.33M/$1.33M
Contract B: $1.67M/$1.67M/$1.67M/$1.67M
Contract C: $1M/$1M/$2M/$2M

As you can see the more frontloaded contracts carry greater total cap hits on the buy-out (although the more backloaded ones cost more actual money). The more backloaded carry higher cap hits for the seasons following the end of the original SPC. However, given the tendency of the salary cap to rise, with all other things being equal, it is better to push back the larger cap hits and take the smaller hits earlier.
 
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