Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[seafoam]

Likely
But the idea of trading Casey and playing Maclean might be on the docket if we don't go on a run.
Toronto wouldn't be a good fit because they don't have anyone we could take back for a year.
It can't be a retained Casey either.

I can't see Lamoriello doing that (even if he should).

 

[The Real JT]

Likely
But the idea of trading Casey and playing Maclean might be on the docket if we don't go on a run.
Toronto wouldn't be a good fit because they don't have anyone we could take back for a year.
It can't be a retained Casey either.

I’m not a capologist by any any means but Max Domi is on an expiring deal at $3M. That’s not to say he should be a target for the Isles but there are frequently ways to get a deal done if both sides are interested.

 

[Torrey Redux]

I don’t think Lou has an affinity for aging players per se. I think it’s that those are players he identifies as part of his team’s core. The 2021 team that he fell in love with. I think Lou lost his perspective at that point. That’s why he’s been reluctant to move on from so many of those players.

The more I think about it the more I’m surprised that Lou moved on from Josh Bailey before his contract expired.

You nailed it. This is the whole thing.

All I would add is that the pretty much the entire Islander fan base did as well .

 

[Throttle]

When you keep trading all of your picks, eventually you run out of young, talented, and cost controlled players to add to the roster. Than you are left with overpaid 30+ year old players all over the roster and gives you minimal money to get star players.

Yet, Romanov filled a need, was 100G into his NHL development, and cost-controlled (and still is).

What team has the magic potion of a lot of cost controlled players, yet has cap space and is competitive? (No one).

You nailed it. This is the whole thing.

All I would add is that the pretty much the entire Islander fan base did as well .

Yet, butts are in the seats and here you are posting away…

 

[MJF]

Yet, butts are in the seats and here you are posting away…

Yet attendance has dropped each year since UBS opened.

First round exits aren’t sexy and they don’t sell season tickets.

 

[Torrey Redux]

Yet, butts are in the seats and here you are posting away…

Do you have a point? There are butts in the seats for consistently middling to bad teams all over the map. If other people want to support and endorse mediocrity, nothing I can do about it other than to state my opinion about where I think they're wrong and not spend my money on it unless and until, in the case of the Isles and at the very least, Lou is gone.

 

[IslandersGER]

any idea what happened to Casey?...

he's still upset about the boos

 

[Throttle]

Yet attendance has dropped each year since UBS opened.

First round exits aren’t sexy and they don’t sell season tickets.

And let it be, the owner will figure it out or he won’t.

Do you have a point? There are butts in the seats for consistently middling to bad teams all over the map. If other people want to support and endorse mediocrity, nothing I can do about it other than to state my opinion about where I think they're wrong and not spend my money on it unless and until, in the case of the Isles and at the very least, Lou is gone.

Did you spend money when Wang/Snow were gone?

 

[MarsTBOW]

By Rachel Luscher
@Rachel_Luscher NewYorkIslanders.com

3:43 PM

The New York Islanders received some good news on the injury front in their return to action after the NHL All-Star break, as Ryan Pulock, Adam Pelech and Casey Cizikas joined the team for practice on Sunday afternoon at Northwell Health Ice Center.

 

[WangMustGo]

What you wrote is true, however it doesn't really apply to a discussion of the Romanov trade since he was 21 and cost-controlled at the time of the trade.

Absolutely. I’d give up a middle 1st for cost controlled young players like Romanov any day.

The problem is the Palmieris and Pageaus of the world getting a 1st and than long term contracts. You do that over and over and you are left with a ton of middle of the lineup guys on bloated contracts.

 

[Osakahaus]

Alright so I have a question

Do we really believe that bringing back this assistant from Roy will make the players better?

 

[Nassau Revisited]

Alright so I have a question

Do we really believe that bringing back this assistant from Roy will make the players better?

Head coaches usually bring in their own guys. Just standard operating procedure.

I imagine Roy is trying out Houda and Maclean to see if he wants them around next year.

As fans we really are pretty much in the dark in how big a role the assistant really has

 

[LeapOnOver]

His skating is horrible , no mobility with no speed is just a liability

More to it than that. Palmeiri is a terrible skater as well.

 

[Torrey Redux]

Did you spend money when Wang/Snow were gone?

Up until the 20-21 season when Lou started to drink "the COVID Islanders really are a great team capable of winning a Cup" Kool Aid and double down on shit contracts, NTCs and trading away draft picks to shore up a roster that was not worth those kinds of investments.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The only one who has in recent years, was traded away for a 3rd string goalie who never never made the big leagues once.

I wouldn't call that recent.

And the guy not only spent a third of his 2 seasons in the organization in the ECHL, but then spent another 2 whole seasons in the AHL before being worked in slowly as the 13th forward in his first NHL season.

He's a unicorn who's done a tremendous job getting where he's at now. But what he's done is all about the steps he took after his time with us.

Not a soul around these parts were talking about him as a future top 6 forward while he was in this organization, much less as an impact player.

 

[saintunspecified]

Absolutely. I’d give up a middle 1st for cost controlled young players like Romanov any day.

The problem is the Palmieris and Pageaus of the world getting a 1st and than long term contracts. You do that over and over and you are left with a ton of middle of the lineup guys on bloated contracts.

NYI do not make it to 2 ECF's without Pageau. The deal he's on isn't fun, but I don't regret it. All teams deal with stuff like that.

The Palmieri trade was a mistake, and the contract was a bigger one.

 

[Throttle]

NYI do not make it to 2 ECF's without Pageau. The deal he's on isn't fun, but I don't regret it. All teams deal with stuff like that.

The Palmieri trade was a mistake, and the contract was a bigger one.

You don’t get to the ECF w/o the Palms/Zajac trade. Probably lose in the first round since some of the other players on the team were ghosts.

The isles had a cap crunch, letting Eberle get selected, the Isles lost 25Gs. In good old Isles country, you have to give more for quality players to play for you. So, Palms was a top 10 UFA that offseason. He wasn’t signing 3x5M deal. The Isles had no offense coming up (Trotz didn’t want to use Wally).

 

[The Real JT]

NYI do not make it to 2 ECF's without Pageau. The deal he's on isn't fun, but I don't regret it. All teams deal with stuff like that.

The Palmieri trade was a mistake, and the contract was a bigger one.

The three contracts Lou doled out in the off-season were shortsighted. Not a single one of them has a high AAV so some people seem to take solace in that. I don’t.

Those deals did not make this team better. They kept them treading water, but in the absence of any additional influx of talent the back end of those deals will hurt this franchise going forward for the next several years. Again, no single deal is a back breaker, but drip, drip drip they all add up.

 

[duster19]

NYI do not make it to 2 ECF's without Pageau. The deal he's on isn't fun, but I don't regret it. All teams deal with stuff like that.

The Palmieri trade was a mistake, and the contract was a bigger one.

The timing of the Pageau contract was tough. Right before Covid which turned the salary cap world upside down. Cap space and flexibility was such a premium the last couple years. Lou did ok but not great coming through Covid. Expansion draft hurt us a lot too.

 

[Potvottier]

I was happy when we initially got Palmieri, but disappointed with him, so far. I give him a short leash because of injuries, but IMO, he is a guy on the bubble. He could be a playoff monster, too. Hoping he stays healthy and picks his game up.

I like Pageau so far. He is worth what he gets. He can be clutch under pressure, just needs to play him with competent wingers. His 5 on 5 stats kinda suffer because of his so-so linemates, but he is gold on the PK.

I think we try Engvall on the 3rd wing, and give him PK duties. His speed could be a real asset, keep their D on their toes.

Shore up the LD position with a grizzled vet, and get ready for the PO's.

 

[BrockLobster]

It sounds like pulock and pelech back tonight

 

[Potvottier]

It sounds like pulock and pelech back tonight

Huge. Big boost for the boys.

5-1 for the good guys.

LGI!

 

[BrockLobster]

Huge. Big boost for the boys.

5-1 for the good guys.

LGI!

Wouldn't that be something! Are those even a thing?

 

[The Real JT]

I was happy when we initially got Palmieri, but disappointed with him, so far. I give him a short leash because of injuries, but IMO, he is a guy on the bubble. He could be a playoff monster, too. Hoping he stays healthy and picks his game up.

I like Pageau so far. He is worth what he gets. He can be clutch under pressure, just needs to play him with competent wingers. His 5 on 5 stats kinda suffer because of his so-so linemates, but he is gold on the PK.

I think we try Engvall on the 3rd wing, and give him PK duties. His speed could be a real asset, keep their D on their toes.

Shore up the LD position with a grizzled vet, and get ready for the PO's.

I’m with you on most of your post, but I’m a bit more critical regarding Palmieri. He deserves credit for having good playoff numbers with the Isles, but frankly his playoff numbers prior to that time with Anaheim and Jersey were not very good. I don’t think of him as an exceptionally clutch playoff performer but rather as a guy who had a nice run. We caught lightning in a bottle. That’s great but he’s not that same guy anymore. Now we’re stuck with an overpaid player on the downside of his career. Although it’s a much malaligned stat, he’s also the worst plus minus player on the team this season.

Pageau is another player that’s clearly aging before our eyes but like you, I still see him as an asset and a player I’m happy to have if we were to make the playoffs. He’s just overpaid at this point in his career. I can live with it for a while longer.

 

[Throttle]

It sounds like pulock and pelech back tonight

If that’s the case, when was the last time the Isles actually had their ‘complete’ defense this season?