Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[doublechili]

Well I also think hiring Roy is new territory. This might be Lou's last few months of his career so anything and everything is on the table.

No chance he keeps the 2024 1st and if there's no better deal out there he may *settle* for someone like Henrique.

This is Lou Lamoriello, not Mike Milbury.

Seriously, I'd be surprised if he did anything impulsive. And I'm guessing his mindset is that if he gets canned from the Isles he'll go get a job elsewhere, so the "last few months of his career" thing might be N/A.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Correct, but I think his age would make him more of a rental. Based on Lou's history here, if he does trade the 1st I think we see it for someone with term or that he can extend for several years.

Whereas you're definitely right about Henrique being older than the others were, if Lou loves his self-drafted Henrique as much as some think he does, I wouldn't put it past him in the least to acquire him and then re-sign him to a 2-year deal at a "team-friendly" price of say 2.3 MM per.

The guy is currently earning 5.825 MM right now.

I mean, whoa!

This said, I mean, Anaheim isn't really in need of even more 1st rounders right now. They've got so many prospects in the cupboard, they're not even gonna be able to sign half of them. Several of them are looking like needle-moving highend forwards and Dmen.

No doubt though, they would seem to have little reason to hold onto Henrique at the deadline.

 

[doublechili]

Whereas you're definitely right about Henrique being older than the others were, if Lou loves his self-drafted Henrique as much as some think he does, I wouldn't put it past him in the least to acquire him and then re-sign him to a 2-year deal at a "team-friendly" price of say 2.3 MM per.

The guy is currently earning 5.825 MM right now.

I mean, whoa!

That's a possibility, but trading a 1st for 2+ seasons would be different for Lou. Anyone else on ANA available for an expanded deal?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

That's a possibility, but trading a 1st for 2+ seasons would be different for Lou. Anyone else on ANA available for an expanded deal?

Well, in my initial post on the subject, I mentioned widening such a deal to include several of the gobs of prospects Anaheim has. Colangelo and Hinds were the ones I named. Both look like fairly solid prospects who could easily get lost in the numbers game there.

Colangelo is still in the NCAA.

Hinds is in his rookie season in the AHL and it's been a quiet one after a prolific junior career, particularly at the tail end.

 

[periferal]

This is Lou Lamoriello, not Mike Milbury.

Seriously, I'd be surprised if he did anything impulsive. And I'm guessing his mindset is that if he gets canned from the Isles he'll go get a job elsewhere, so the "last few months of his career" thing might be N/A.

No doubt Lou is not Milbury...That said Lou still does tend to overpay in pretty much every deal he does.

Takes two to tango and there's so many teams right now in contention for a playoff spot that there could be much fewer teams selling. Thus is could be a seller's market and prices could go up for limited supply.

 

[WangMustGo]

Hoenstly Pulock is pretty average at the end of the day. I remember when we drafted him he was supposed to be our PP QB for a decade plus, but despite having what could be a top 10 shot he can't use it effectively. He's become a solid defensive defenseman, but honestly not special enough and defeintely replaceable.

Probably is I just don't see who would take that contract which doesn't end until 2030 (not that I see Lou trading him anyway).

I don’t disagree. Offensively he isn’t nearly as good as he was projected. Defensively he much better. Pulock and Pelech looked like a very good top pairing for a while, I still think both of them are held in high regard around the league. Maybe I’m off there. Tough to really gauge the value of them.

When Pulock does come back I hope to see him with Pelech, playing predominantly a shutdown role. Give Dobson and Romanov the top pairing minutes.

 

[PK Cronin]

I don’t disagree. Offensively he isn’t nearly as good as he was projected. Defensively he much better. Pulock and Pelech looked like a very good top pairing for a while, I still think both of them are held in high regard around the league. Maybe I’m off there. Tough to really gauge the value of them.

When Pulock does come back I hope to see him with Pelech, playing predominantly a shutdown role. Give Dobson and Romanov the top pairing minutes.

Romanov Dobson
Pelech Pulock
Reilly Mayfield

That's what I'd do if everyone was healthy.

 

[periferal]

Romanov Dobson
Pelech Pulock
Reilly Mayfield

That's what I'd do if everyone was healthy.

That's probably the best we can do...Which is why to me defense is so much of a bigger add before the deadline.

 

[Isles72]

For me Kavasha and Engvail aren’t comparable the reason being that we traded a HOF goaltender for him and Parish and therefore he carries a higher expectation that he never lived up to. Parrish was a serviceable forward. What did Engvail cost a 3rd round pick? Granted I think the extension was a bit too generous, but that’s Lou’s MO. He gives us an element we’re sorely lacking speed. He can skate the puck out of danger and cause turnovers on the forecheck. He’s not a goal scorer but he pots a few here and there.

Olli Jokinen says hold my beer

 

[12Dog]

Roy says he wants to play more puck possession game, at what point does he talk to Lou about Mayfield? He’s horrid in that aspect. He’s got to drive Roy crazy.
Does Roy want to play Bolduc more?
After Pulock comes back would Lou let Roy sit Mayfield?

 

[SI]

I wonder if something involving Pulock would entice Buffalo. They get a veteran top 4 right shot defenseman with tons of playoff experience that is locked up long term.

We have Dobson blossoming into a top 10 defenseman l, who commands 25 minutes a night. Losing Pulock would hurt, but I think we could manage.

Pulock has a NTC - it’s unlikely he is traded

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I think that Aho has put together a few strong games in a row.

 

[SI]

That's a possibility, but trading a 1st for 2+ seasons would be different for Lou. Anyone else on ANA available for an expanded deal?

Wrong player on Anaheim - Vatrano is the Duck that fits in line with Lou. He is signed for another season at 3.65. he is 29 and fits the character.

Vatrano would bump Palmieri or Engvall down to play with JGP and Holmstrom.

2024 1st for Vatrano as a baseline.


All this Lou is doomed shit and on his last legs are absolutely ridiculous- he ain’t going anywhere and frankly this Henrique thing is pretty comical - it is such a negative and superficial take.


I would pitch 2024 1st, Wahlstrom, + for Varrano (with some retention to make the $ work)

 

[crashthenet]

Mrazek extension?

 

[Throttle]

Roy says he wants to play more puck possession game, at what point does he talk to Lou about Mayfield? He’s horrid in that aspect. He’s got to drive Roy crazy.
Does Roy want to play Bolduc more?
After Pulock comes back would Lou let Roy sit Mayfield?

Mayfield is a better d-man when Pulock and Pelech are in the lineup. He’s a player that once he asked to do too much, he gets exposed.

 

[doublechili]

Mayfield is a better d-man when Pulock and Pelech are in the lineup. He’s a player that once he asked to do too much, he gets exposed.

Yeah. Plus, I'm thinking the list of big, physical, bottom pair RHD who can also play a puck-possession game is a pretty short list.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Ruzicka and Disimone waivers. Could honestly use both of them... although Mclean has ben pretty good

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Ruzicka and Disimone waivers. Could honestly use both of them... although Mclean has ben pretty good

I thought MacLean was pretty invisible in his first two games, but then was absolutely hummin' last night. Would love to see him get an extended look.

 

[MJF]

I thought MacLean was pretty invisible in his first two games, but then was absolutely hummin' last night. Would love to see him get an extended look.

Give MacLean and Bolduc a clean slate and time to adjust to Roy.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I thought MacLean was pretty invisible in his first two games, but then was absolutely hummin' last night. Would love to see him get an extended look.

Invisible is what you hope for from a 24 year old undrafted fourth liner in his first couple of games. Means he's not making mistakes and handling his business. But yeah last night was certainly encouraging. If they trust him and know they're getting Cizikas back soonish, I wonder how expendable that might make Pageau

 

[Osakahaus]

Doubt we make any major moves if they're out of it. Isles need to focus on trimming the fat by 2024-25. Engvall is back, so that's good to hear.

Invisible is what you hope for from a 24 year old undrafted fourth liner in his first couple of games. Means he's not making mistakes and handling his business. But yeah last night was certainly encouraging. If they trust him and know they're getting Cizikas back soonish, I wonder how expendable that might make Pageau

Might make Pageau more expendable if MacLean starts to score some more goals, just saying.

But the isles should start to consider Pageau the one to trade. if they wanna get decent value, lets see where they're at. In the offseason, i'd definitely trade his contract with the cap going up. Problem is that they really need to get wingers on the 3rd, maybe even 4th line.

 

[WangMustGo]

Doubt we make any major moves if they're out of it. Isles need to focus on trimming the fat by 2024-25. Engvall is back, so that's good to hear.


Might make Pageau more expendable if MacLean starts to score some more goals, just saying.

But the isles should start to consider Pageau the one to trade. if they wanna get decent value, lets see where they're at. In the offseason, i'd definitely trade his contract with the cap going up. Problem is that they really need to get wingers on the 3rd, maybe even 4th line.

Still some time before the deadline, if they are out of it by the deadline I think Lou needs to deal anyone and everyone he can (not named Dobson, Horvat, Barzal, Romanov, or Sorokin).

 

[Osakahaus]

Still some time before the deadline, if they are out of it by the deadline I think Lou needs to deal anyone and everyone he can (not named Dobson, Horvat, Barzal, Romanov, or Sorokin).

Probably means seeing if cal clutterbuck has worth to some playoff teams

 

[WangMustGo]

Probably means seeing if cal clutterbuck has worth to some playoff teams

I would move Clutterbuck, Martin, Bortuzzo, Aho, and at least one of Nelson/JGP. This is only if we are out of it obviously.

 

[Taswell]

Put a claim in on Ruzicka. Bring some young skill to the 2nd line, albeit inconsistent.