Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Some one will need to take over from Varly down the line.

.... in 2027.

 

[leeroggy]

From Eliteprospects.com, for the upcoming draft:

R	PLAYER	TEAM	LEAGUE	BORN	HT	WT	S
1	Eemil Vinni (G)	JoKP	Mestis	12/18/2005	6'2"	185	L
2	Christian Kirsch (G)	Zug U20	U20-Elit	06/18/2006	6'4"	181	L
3	Ryerson Leenders (G)	Mississauga Steelheads	OHL	06/01/2006	6'1"	179	L
4	Lukas Matecha (G)	Tri-City Americans	WHL	03/21/2005	6'3"	187	L
5	Jakub Milota (G)	Cape Breton Eagles	QMJHL	04/14/2006	6'2"	168	L
6	Thatcher Bernstein (G)	Dubuque Fighting Saints	USHL	07/17/2006	6'3"	209	L
7	Kim Saarinen (G)	HPK U20	U20 SM-sarja	07/22/2006	6'4"	181	L
8	Caleb Heil (G)	Sioux Falls Stampede	USHL	06/19/2006	6'2"	185	L
9	Carter George (G)	Owen Sound Attack	OHL	05/20/2006	6'0"	161	L
10	Eric Olsson (G)	Omaha Lancers	USHL	09/27/2005	6'4"	183	L
11	Alexei Noskov (G)	Taifun Primorsky Krai	MHL	11/13/2004	6'2"	207	L
12	Phileas Lachat (G)	Biel-Bienne U20	U20-Elit	06/11/2006	6'3"	187	L
13	John Parsons (G)	USNTDP Juniors	USHL	01/15/2006	6'4"	183	L
14	Evan Gardner (G)	Saskatoon Blades	WHL	06/25/2006	6'2"	174	L
15	Louka Cloutier (G)	Chicago Steel	USHL	08/22/2006	6'2"	168	L

.... in 2027.

Get them started now, you don't draft NHL-ready goalies at age 18.

Chapin, any insights into the above list of goalies?

The only goalies under contract:

Sorokin
Varly
Lennox
Skarek
Appleby

If Varly is out for a while, we are one Sorokin injury away from the lottery

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Get them started now, you don't draft NHL-ready goalies at age 18.

You're playing 4D chess, friend.

 

[MJF]

This is a big brain thread.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

.... in 2027.

We're not winning the cup until then any way.

If Varly is out for a while, we are one Sorokin injury away from the lottery

Shit. I knew it. We're doomed.

This is a big brain thread.

Another one??

 

[doublechili]

Isles absolutely have to claim Tobias Bjornfot on waivers with our injuries.

Is that a hockey player?

Bjornfot sounds like an Ent, or perhaps an Ikea lamp.

 

[leeroggy]

You're playing 4D chess, friend.

This is a big brain thread.

The unspoken weakness in our organization is goaltending depth

Is that a hockey player?

Bjornfot sounds like an Ent, or perhaps an Ikea lamp.

Actually it's a wall unit . . . Put it together with 30 screws

 

[doublechili]

Okay, who had, "we're scoring plenty of goals, but we need a goalie!" in the preseason board pool?

 

[seafoam]

An Ikea lamp would actually defend better than Scott Mayfield.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Okay, who had, "we're scoring plenty of goals, but we need a goalie!" in the preseason board pool?

Or, "the PP is awesome, but if our PK doesn't improved we're not going anywhere in the playoffs."

 

[Nassau Revisited]

An Ikea lamp would actually defend better than Scott Mayfield.

Would probably take less penalties

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

The unspoken weakness in our organization is goaltending depth

Ever wonder why it's unspoken?

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

If Varly is out for a while, we are one Sorokin injury away from the lottery

You're correct, but it isn't a fault of just the Islanders. No team has great third-string options. I guess fourth-string options too since in this hypothetical both NHL goalies are out.

But yeah, if there's a halfway decent goalie available for like a 5th or 6th round pick, Lou has to go do it. *assuming Varly is out for awhile

The unspoken weakness in our organization is goaltending depth

What? lol There's a number of teams that don't even have a good #1 goalie.

Every team would be f'd if their top two goalies went down to injury.

 

[CupHolders]

Is that a hockey player?

Bjornfot sounds like an Ent, or perhaps an Ikea lamp.

Cool, a Lord of the Rings IKEA crossover?

 

[leeroggy]

You're correct, but it isn't a fault of just the Islanders. No team has great third-string options. I guess fourth-string options too since in this hypothetical both NHL goalies are out.

But yeah, if there's a halfway decent goalie available for like a 5th or 6th round pick, Lou has to go do it. *assuming Varly is out for awhile


What? lol There's a number of teams that don't even have a good #1 goalie.

Every team would be f'd if their top two goalies went down to injury.

I'm really talking about long-term, not what might happen this year. Only Lennox MIGHT be an NHL goalie down the line when Varly retires and we need Sorokin's backup. We need to draft a few more this year and next.

 

[Throttle]

Ever wonder why it's unspoken?

Flat tires happen, don’t you carry a full set spare around in your car everyday, you know, just in case BOTH your tires flat?

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I'm really talking about long-term, not what might happen this year. Only Lennox MIGHT be an NHL goalie down the line when Varly retires and we need Sorokin's backup. We need to draft a few more this year and next.

Backup goalie is the easiest position to fill on the roster. Not a huge concern, especially when you have a guy like Sorokin as your starter.

But I agree that we should start throwing some mid-round picks on goaltenders over the next few drafts to see what sticks. Never know, might draft the next Sorokin. Always a good risk/reward to take goalies in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Backup goalie is the easiest position to fill on the roster. Not a huge concern, especially when you have a guy like Sorokin as your starter.

But I agree that we should start throwing some mid-round picks on goaltenders over the next few drafts to see what sticks. Never know, might draft the next Sorokin. Always a good risk/reward to take goalies in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

You mean not #1 overall?

 

[impaaaaaact]

The claim would be dependent on whether or not Bortuzzo is out long term. If he is then they don't need to waive anyone. I'm not sure what you mean by wasting your waiver spot.

Pelech's availability wouldn't be impacted. Once he's ready to return they can send someone down to make room for him (Aho).



The alternative is a defenseman who is bad in Bridgeport. I'll take a reclamation project who might need a change of scenery over what Bridgeport has to offer.

Isn't Bjornfoot an LHD? Assuming Pelech comes back this week we have 5 already on the roster and only two RHD. Barring any additions I expect to see Aho back in the next game and for the foreseeable future as he's the only one of them that plays his off side - either that or Hutton. I don't see how acquiring Bjornfoot would change that, and I don't see anything in his resumé that suggests he'd definitely slot ahead of Cholowski on our depth chart.

 

[crashthenet]

watching Devils. Hard to believe Yotes traded Bahl, the pick that was Mercer, Nick Merkly, and more for UFA Hall.

 

[doublechili]

watching Devils. Hard to believe Yotes traded Bahl, the pick that was Mercer, Nick Merkly, and more for UFA Hall.

That was a case of "Milbury Syndrome". Making a deal just to make a splash, long term consequences be damned.

 

[Osakahaus]

watching Devils. Hard to believe Yotes traded Bahl, the pick that was Mercer, Nick Merkly, and more for UFA Hall.

awesome trade in the long run. Chayka was such a fun GM to watch from afar

 

[Throttle]

awesome trade in the long run. Chayka was such a fun GM to watch from afar

One can surmise, that young spreadsheet analytics GM didn’t do much beyond have a quick moment - one is toast, the other hoodwinked some investor group (not shocking on that, but really shocking as his track record is pretty awful).

 

[LeapOnOver]

We have Lennox MAYBE as a possible future goalie. Some one will need to take over from Varly down the line. Skarek hasn't shown anything or he'd be here, not Appleby.


Halak lasted about 48 hours with Carolina, with that awful collection of goalies

Speaking of goalies, I'm still surprised Marcus Hogberg hasn't made it back to the NHL. 29 years old, decent numbers in Sweden. The only thing I can think is he's changed his mind and doesn't really want to come back to NA. Seems like the Maple Leafs or Hurricanes could both take a flyer on him.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

From Eliteprospects.com, for the upcoming draft:

R	PLAYER	TEAM	LEAGUE	BORN	HT	WT	S
1	Eemil Vinni (G)	JoKP	Mestis	12/18/2005	6'2"	185	L
2	Christian Kirsch (G)	Zug U20	U20-Elit	06/18/2006	6'4"	181	L
3	Ryerson Leenders (G)	Mississauga Steelheads	OHL	06/01/2006	6'1"	179	L
4	Lukas Matecha (G)	Tri-City Americans	WHL	03/21/2005	6'3"	187	L
5	Jakub Milota (G)	Cape Breton Eagles	QMJHL	04/14/2006	6'2"	168	L
6	Thatcher Bernstein (G)	Dubuque Fighting Saints	USHL	07/17/2006	6'3"	209	L
7	Kim Saarinen (G)	HPK U20	U20 SM-sarja	07/22/2006	6'4"	181	L
8	Caleb Heil (G)	Sioux Falls Stampede	USHL	06/19/2006	6'2"	185	L
9	Carter George (G)	Owen Sound Attack	OHL	05/20/2006	6'0"	161	L
10	Eric Olsson (G)	Omaha Lancers	USHL	09/27/2005	6'4"	183	L
11	Alexei Noskov (G)	Taifun Primorsky Krai	MHL	11/13/2004	6'2"	207	L
12	Phileas Lachat (G)	Biel-Bienne U20	U20-Elit	06/11/2006	6'3"	187	L
13	John Parsons (G)	USNTDP Juniors	USHL	01/15/2006	6'4"	183	L
14	Evan Gardner (G)	Saskatoon Blades	WHL	06/25/2006	6'2"	174	L
15	Louka Cloutier (G)	Chicago Steel	USHL	08/22/2006	6'2"	168	L

Get them started now, you don't draft NHL-ready goalies at age 18.

Chapin, any insights into the above list of goalies?

The only goalies under contract:

Sorokin
Varly
Lennox
Skarek
Appleby

If Varly is out for a while, we are one Sorokin injury away from the lottery

My take is that unless you have a surplus of draft picks, you don't waste your time drafting goalies. Every once and a while, there's one in the first round who is truly elite. But that's been a very seldom thing over the past 20 years or so.

You look to add goalies as free agents coming out of college or Europe or perhaps Canadian juniors after a big overage season or two, when they're kicking off their early-to-mid 20s or you trade for them along the way when they've shown more concrete development. Let the other teams draft them and walk through generally 3-6 years of development.

CAVEAT:
There have been 1st-2nd-round capable Russian goalies who have gone in later rounds, often as part of the Russian scare. If you see one and he's there later on, you should prolly grab him, even if you have to wait as long as we did for Sorokin.