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From Eliteprospects.com, for the upcoming draft:

RPLAYERTEAMLEAGUEBORNHTWTS
1Finland Eemil Vinni (G)JoKPMestis12/18/20056'2"185L
2Switzerland Christian Kirsch (G)Zug U20U20-Elit06/18/20066'4"181L
3Canada Ryerson Leenders (G)Mississauga SteelheadsOHL06/01/20066'1"179L
4Czechia Lukas Matecha (G)Tri-City AmericansWHL03/21/20056'3"187L
5Czechia Jakub Milota (G)Cape Breton EaglesQMJHL04/14/20066'2"168L
6USA Thatcher Bernstein (G)Dubuque Fighting SaintsUSHL07/17/20066'3"209L
7Finland Kim Saarinen (G)HPK U20U20 SM-sarja07/22/20066'4"181L
8USA Caleb Heil (G)Sioux Falls StampedeUSHL06/19/20066'2"185L
9Canada Carter George (G)Owen Sound AttackOHL05/20/20066'0"161L
10Sweden Eric Olsson (G)Omaha LancersUSHL09/27/20056'4"183L
11Russia Alexei Noskov (G)Taifun Primorsky KraiMHL11/13/20046'2"207L
12Switzerland Phileas Lachat (G)Biel-Bienne U20U20-Elit06/11/20066'3"187L
13USA John Parsons (G)USNTDP JuniorsUSHL01/15/20066'4"183L
14Canada Evan Gardner (G)Saskatoon BladesWHL06/25/20066'2"174L
15Canada Louka Cloutier (G)Chicago SteelUSHL08/22/20066'2"168L

Richie Daggers Crime said:
.... in 2027.
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Get them started now, you don't draft NHL-ready goalies at age 18.

Chapin, any insights into the above list of goalies?

The only goalies under contract:

Sorokin
Varly
Lennox
Skarek
Appleby

If Varly is out for a while, we are one Sorokin injury away from the lottery
 
leeroggy said:
If Varly is out for a while, we are one Sorokin injury away from the lottery
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You're correct, but it isn't a fault of just the Islanders. No team has great third-string options. I guess fourth-string options too since in this hypothetical both NHL goalies are out.

But yeah, if there's a halfway decent goalie available for like a 5th or 6th round pick, Lou has to go do it. *assuming Varly is out for awhile

leeroggy said:
The unspoken weakness in our organization is goaltending depth
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What? lol There's a number of teams that don't even have a good #1 goalie.

Every team would be f'd if their top two goalies went down to injury.
 
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doublechili said:
Is that a hockey player?

Bjornfot sounds like an Ent, or perhaps an Ikea lamp.
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Cool, a Lord of the Rings IKEA crossover?


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JTToilinginToronto said:
You're correct, but it isn't a fault of just the Islanders. No team has great third-string options. I guess fourth-string options too since in this hypothetical both NHL goalies are out.

But yeah, if there's a halfway decent goalie available for like a 5th or 6th round pick, Lou has to go do it. *assuming Varly is out for awhile


What? lol There's a number of teams that don't even have a good #1 goalie.

Every team would be f'd if their top two goalies went down to injury.
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I'm really talking about long-term, not what might happen this year. Only Lennox MIGHT be an NHL goalie down the line when Varly retires and we need Sorokin's backup. We need to draft a few more this year and next.
 
leeroggy said:
I'm really talking about long-term, not what might happen this year. Only Lennox MIGHT be an NHL goalie down the line when Varly retires and we need Sorokin's backup. We need to draft a few more this year and next.
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Backup goalie is the easiest position to fill on the roster. Not a huge concern, especially when you have a guy like Sorokin as your starter.

But I agree that we should start throwing some mid-round picks on goaltenders over the next few drafts to see what sticks. Never know, might draft the next Sorokin. Always a good risk/reward to take goalies in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
 
JTToilinginToronto said:
Backup goalie is the easiest position to fill on the roster. Not a huge concern, especially when you have a guy like Sorokin as your starter.

But I agree that we should start throwing some mid-round picks on goaltenders over the next few drafts to see what sticks. Never know, might draft the next Sorokin. Always a good risk/reward to take goalies in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
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You mean not #1 overall?
 
PK Cronin said:
The claim would be dependent on whether or not Bortuzzo is out long term. If he is then they don't need to waive anyone. I'm not sure what you mean by wasting your waiver spot.

Pelech's availability wouldn't be impacted. Once he's ready to return they can send someone down to make room for him (Aho).



The alternative is a defenseman who is bad in Bridgeport. I'll take a reclamation project who might need a change of scenery over what Bridgeport has to offer.
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Isn't Bjornfoot an LHD? Assuming Pelech comes back this week we have 5 already on the roster and only two RHD. Barring any additions I expect to see Aho back in the next game and for the foreseeable future as he's the only one of them that plays his off side - either that or Hutton. I don't see how acquiring Bjornfoot would change that, and I don't see anything in his resumé that suggests he'd definitely slot ahead of Cholowski on our depth chart.
 
crashthenet said:
watching Devils. Hard to believe Yotes traded Bahl, the pick that was Mercer, Nick Merkly, and more for UFA Hall.
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That was a case of "Milbury Syndrome". Making a deal just to make a splash, long term consequences be damned.
 
Osakahaus said:
awesome trade in the long run. Chayka was such a fun GM to watch from afar
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One can surmise, that young spreadsheet analytics GM didn’t do much beyond have a quick moment - one is toast, the other hoodwinked some investor group (not shocking on that, but really shocking as his track record is pretty awful).
 
leeroggy said:
We have Lennox MAYBE as a possible future goalie. Some one will need to take over from Varly down the line. Skarek hasn't shown anything or he'd be here, not Appleby.


Halak lasted about 48 hours with Carolina, with that awful collection of goalies
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Speaking of goalies, I'm still surprised Marcus Hogberg hasn't made it back to the NHL. 29 years old, decent numbers in Sweden. The only thing I can think is he's changed his mind and doesn't really want to come back to NA. Seems like the Maple Leafs or Hurricanes could both take a flyer on him.
 
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From Eliteprospects.com, for the upcoming draft:

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[TH]R[/TH]
[TH]PLAYER[/TH]
[TH]TEAM[/TH]
[TH]LEAGUE[/TH]
[TH]BORN[/TH]
[TH]HT[/TH]
[TH]WT[/TH]
[TH]S[/TH]
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[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Finland Eemil Vinni (G)[/TD]
[TD]JoKP[/TD]
[TD]Mestis[/TD]
[TD]12/18/2005[/TD]
[TD]6'2"[/TD]
[TD]185[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Switzerland Christian Kirsch (G)[/TD]
[TD]Zug U20[/TD]
[TD]U20-Elit[/TD]
[TD]06/18/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'4"[/TD]
[TD]181[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Canada Ryerson Leenders (G)[/TD]
[TD]Mississauga Steelheads[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]06/01/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'1"[/TD]
[TD]179[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Czechia Lukas Matecha (G)[/TD]
[TD]Tri-City Americans[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]03/21/2005[/TD]
[TD]6'3"[/TD]
[TD]187[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Czechia Jakub Milota (G)[/TD]
[TD]Cape Breton Eagles[/TD]
[TD]QMJHL[/TD]
[TD]04/14/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'2"[/TD]
[TD]168[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]USA Thatcher Bernstein (G)[/TD]
[TD]Dubuque Fighting Saints[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]07/17/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'3"[/TD]
[TD]209[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Finland Kim Saarinen (G)[/TD]
[TD]HPK U20[/TD]
[TD]U20 SM-sarja[/TD]
[TD]07/22/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'4"[/TD]
[TD]181[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]USA Caleb Heil (G)[/TD]
[TD]Sioux Falls Stampede[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]06/19/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'2"[/TD]
[TD]185[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Canada Carter George (G)[/TD]
[TD]Owen Sound Attack[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]05/20/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'0"[/TD]
[TD]161[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Sweden Eric Olsson (G)[/TD]
[TD]Omaha Lancers[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]09/27/2005[/TD]
[TD]6'4"[/TD]
[TD]183[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Russia Alexei Noskov (G)[/TD]
[TD]Taifun Primorsky Krai[/TD]
[TD]MHL[/TD]
[TD]11/13/2004[/TD]
[TD]6'2"[/TD]
[TD]207[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Switzerland Phileas Lachat (G)[/TD]
[TD]Biel-Bienne U20[/TD]
[TD]U20-Elit[/TD]
[TD]06/11/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'3"[/TD]
[TD]187[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]USA John Parsons (G)[/TD]
[TD]USNTDP Juniors[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]01/15/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'4"[/TD]
[TD]183[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Canada Evan Gardner (G)[/TD]
[TD]Saskatoon Blades[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]06/25/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'2"[/TD]
[TD]174[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Canada Louka Cloutier (G)[/TD]
[TD]Chicago Steel[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]08/22/2006[/TD]
[TD]6'2"[/TD]
[TD]168[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Get them started now, you don't draft NHL-ready goalies at age 18.

Chapin, any insights into the above list of goalies?

The only goalies under contract:

Sorokin
Varly
Lennox
Skarek
Appleby

If Varly is out for a while, we are one Sorokin injury away from the lottery
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My take is that unless you have a surplus of draft picks, you don't waste your time drafting goalies. Every once and a while, there's one in the first round who is truly elite. But that's been a very seldom thing over the past 20 years or so.

You look to add goalies as free agents coming out of college or Europe or perhaps Canadian juniors after a big overage season or two, when they're kicking off their early-to-mid 20s or you trade for them along the way when they've shown more concrete development. Let the other teams draft them and walk through generally 3-6 years of development.

CAVEAT:
There have been 1st-2nd-round capable Russian goalies who have gone in later rounds, often as part of the Russian scare. If you see one and he's there later on, you should prolly grab him, even if you have to wait as long as we did for Sorokin.
 
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