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I've said it before, i'll say it again. The team is out of position way too much. On one of sharks goal, Horvat and Mayfield both take one man and follow him behind the net, leaving the front wide open. The communication should be much better at this point and it's on the coaches. if they cant get the guys in the right position, if they cant get them to talk to eachother.....find another coach. it's enough now.

Lane shouldnt be venting to the cameras, he should have fixed this by now.
You can't play the game for them , all the coach can do is not dress them but with no depth at D or Forward the coaches hands are tied

Lane scratching Wallyworld was a massive plus. Offensively, the lines looked solid.
Easiest decision anyone could have made that understood hockey. Wally hasn't gotten better since his debut and is trending backwards
 

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Easiest decision anyone could have made that understood hockey. Wally hasn't gotten better since his debut and is trending backwards
I had someone try to tell me I was clueless even after telling him 5 different ways that Wally squandered his chances on every line he’s been with. A guy who’s supposed to be a top 6 player, can’t keep up with guys in the top 6 (speed/skill/IQ) and isn’t reliable one bit defensively to be in the bottom 6. He’s basically in hockey trade/waivers land at this point.
 

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That Romanov stat is damning. It's obvious why Pageau and Horvat are up there because they are always putting two centers out for the faceoff. I wonder if that causes confusion. Horvat is not great defensively, and is just out there for faceoffs. The fact that Lambert can't pivot and find a better way to hold the lead speaks volumes. In my opinion, Lambert is responsible for 11 of these.
 
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I almost didn't watch the Sharks game because the result was spoiled for me while scrolling through Reddit of all places. However, I decided to watch it anyway and this meltdown was not really like the rest. If this had been a one-off, I wouldn't think much of it. The 2nd goal was puck luck and the Isles were still attacking and getting lots of chances. They didn't sit back and get trounced, they just played poor defensively, but seemed to still have the foot on the pedal. Then, two posts in OT...it wasn't a terrible showing there either.

My point is not to explain this away, as a page in the season, this is still disgusting to have happen so consistently. I just don't think this was has infuriating as the other lead losses where they seemed to just relax and ngaf. Also, I don't really get the Barzal bashing. He generated a lot of chances and guys around him just couldn't finish. The OT goal, only mistake Barzal made was not changing 30 seconds before the goal. He was gassed at that point and your mental clarity goes right along with your body. All in all, he had a good game despite not showing up on the scoreboard. Need to turn this around. I was watching the game wondering if Sorokin was to blame, but he stopped every shot he should have and really had no chance on any of the goals.
 

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I came here hoping I'd be surprised, but something told me I wouldn't see a firing.

Beyond this, it seems Lou has gotten conservative with time.
 

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I almost didn't watch the Sharks game because the result was spoiled for me while scrolling through Reddit of all places. However, I decided to watch it anyway and this meltdown was not really like the rest. If this had been a one-off, I wouldn't think much of it. The 2nd goal was puck luck and the Isles were still attacking and getting lots of chances. They didn't sit back and get trounced, they just played poor defensively, but seemed to still have the foot on the pedal. Then, two posts in OT...it wasn't a terrible showing there either.

My point is not to explain this away, as a page in the season, this is still disgusting to have happen so consistently. I just don't think this was has infuriating as the other lead losses where they seemed to just relax and ngaf. Also, I don't really get the Barzal bashing. He generated a lot of chances and guys around him just couldn't finish. The OT goal, only mistake Barzal made was not changing 30 seconds before the goal. He was gassed at that point and your mental clarity goes right along with your body. All in all, he had a good game despite not showing up on the scoreboard. Need to turn this around. I was watching the game wondering if Sorokin was to blame, but he stopped every shot he should have and really had no chance on any of the goals.
First, Great post - I really like this insight.

The trend is alarming and they keep finding new ways to do it.

You either have the roster to compete and don't have the coach or have the coach and don't have the roster. You can't have it both ways. The easier move to do is fire Lambert. I do not believe Lou fears anything which is why I am confused as to why the move is not being made.
Agreed, you can't have it both ways. And your last point is dead on - this is NOT the LL I know. If the trend continues into December and somehow this team does not flip the narrative in the third period, then there is NO way LL doesn't make a coaching change.
 

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You either have the roster to compete and don't have the coach or have the coach and don't have the roster. You can't have it both ways. The easier move to do is fire Lambert. I do not believe Lou fears anything which is why I am confused as to why the move is not being made.
It would me he (Lou) has again made a mistake. Firing a HOF coach to appoint his assistant then to fire him points directly at GM and I’m sure he doesn’t want to end his career with this.
 

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You either have the roster to compete and don't have the coach or have the coach and don't have the roster. You can't have it both ways. The easier move to do is fire Lambert. I do not believe Lou fears anything which is why I am confused as to why the move is not being made.

Also sometimes you don't have the roster...And don't have the coach. We have to be honest that might be the case with your 2023-2024 New York Islanders.

And a possible reason why Lou hasn't fired Lane yet is...Who is he going to get to replace him? Not like there are tons of good coaches out there and even if there were, maybe, just maybe, it's possible that some don't want to work under him.

Also don't underestimate that Lou thinks Lambert is fine and just needs to get this team to the playoffs. Lou has had a history of moving out coaches seemingly on a whim (even doing so just before the playoffs), and having good sucess. Of course those teams had players like Brodeur, Stevens, Neidermayer, Elias, etc, so not exactly an apples to apples comparison here.

Either way Lou might install an interim coach after firing Lane, but whomever the next coach is should NOT be a 1st time rookie coach - Not with a vet-laden roster the GM claims is good enough to win a Cup now. That ball was dropped heavily last time.
 
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not a small point, but behind those 2 goalies, we have a giant dumpster fire of goaltending in the minors.

And why do you think that is?


And what do we have in the minors at any position that isn't at least a brush fire...?
 

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You either have the roster to compete and don't have the coach or have the coach and don't have the roster. You can't have it both ways. The easier move to do is fire Lambert. I do not believe Lou fears anything which is why I am confused as to why the move is not being made.
need another 3rd period meltdown, 11 times in 24 games is too small of a sample size (despite it nearly being FIFTY PERCENT)
 

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I'll go as far to say that there aren't 64 NHL caliber goaltenders in the NHL.
There won’t be 66 or 68 either.

I figured it out. Lou’s “long game” is run it back until the league expands and waters down so much that our goalies are better than anyone else. That's how we’re winning the Cup.
 
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