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I don't see any way to align this roster any differently to get more production, so coach has to go

This would be the best lineup that I can come up with and it moves guys sort of out of position

Pageau/Horvat/Barzal
Palmieri/Nelson/Engvall
Holmstrom/Cizikas/Ishakov
Lee/Fasching/Clutter

Benching Wahlstrom and Martin and cutting Gauthier
 
majormet said:
I don't see any way to align this roster any differently to get more production, so coach has to go

This would be the best lineup that I can come up with and it moves guys sort of out of position

Pageau/Horvat/Barzal
Palmieri/Nelson/Engvall
Holmstrom/Cizikas/Ishakov
Lee/Fasching/Clutter

Benching Wahlstrom and Martin and cutting Gauthier
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This is hysterical...As in hysterically sad.

Did Lambert assemble this roster that's "impossible to get more production out of no matter how you align it?" And did Lambert hire himself?

Sure the coach has to go...After the guy who put it altogether does. To suggest anything else is missing the whole plot.
 
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SI said:
I would like to remind everyone that it is still very early in the season and there are highs and lows in any season - I am hoping they are able to pull themselves out of this. I have defended Lambert in the past, but I do think if they are not able to pull out of this in the next couple of weeks, then the team may need something NEW. A new voice, a new approach - Lambert is possibly not all that different or fresh of a voice than Barry. IMO, things have not gotten comfortable they have gone stagnant... need some fresh ideas and a new protagonist.
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I'm all for patience...When there's a reason to be patient. This roster isn't a 19 year old prospect who's still developing. This is the second year of a coach's system with one of the oldest/most experienced teams in the league.

If they were going to win they should be winning now - Not be the 2nd lowest scoring team only to the abysmal Sharks.

And Lambert is VERY different from Barry. No one is like Trotz. He's a hall of fame coach and right now we have a lifetime assistant/AHL level coach running things. Trotz is the #1 reason we made those runs a few years back and people are deluding themselves now if they think that can happen again just because 80% of the team is the same. They were never that talented a few years ago, but Trotz was elite at motivation and scheming a plan that covered up for their inadequacies.

Now he's long gone, the team is older, and the flaws are exposed. And they are exposing our overrated GM who continues to go "all in" despite only having a pair of 9's.

We're in big trouble folks, but the longer we deny that and Malkin/Ledecky don't do anything about it the longer the pain will be to get back to contention.
 
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Lame Lambert said:
Some people around here would prefer to dig up the Titanic and try to make it sail again
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The problem with extending the Titanic analogy is that it was the biggest, fastest, best ship around, but it just had a bad captain doing the steering. And the consensus here is that our ship is old, slow and bad.
 
PK Cronin said:
That's not really how elite set up men should work. They should be able to elevate lots of different guys, not just a specific subset of supremely talented players. Tavares was able to elevate multiple players who are significantly worse than what Barzal has had to play with and he's not half as talented in the possession game as Barzal.

Adam Oates was one of the best passers of all time. He elevated the guys he was with, no matter where he went or who he played with. How many different player combinations do we need to see before we say it's on Barzal?
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Oates was a great playmaker. I’m old enough to remember one year the Flyers put Cowboy Bill Flett on Bobby Clarke’s line and he scored 43 goals. I believe that was double his career average. Barzal doesn’t elevate his line mates. Isles fans can’t keep blaming this on Barzal’s line mates.
 
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Lame Lambert said:
This was supposed to be Bo Horvat
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Horvat scored a lot last season in Vancouver because his teammates shot the puck at the net.

The Horvat acquisition is interesting on how it’s been framed. It was a straight up talent upgrade, better overall player, can help possession with his faceoffs, and bring offense and swapping out Beau’s contract.

It seems like it’s been framed that Horvat was some sort of Brett Hull-like savior for Barzal’s ills. And that was never gonna happen in reality.
 
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Glory Days said:
Oates was a great playmaker. I’m old enough to remember one year the Flyers put Cowboy Bill Flett on Bobby Clarke’s line and he scored 43 goals. I believe that was double his career average. Barzal doesn’t elevate his line mates. Isles fans can’t keep blaming this on Barzal’s line mates.
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Or the Penguins putting Warren Young next to a rookie named Mario Lemieux and scoring 40 goals.
 
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periferal said:
This is hysterical...As in hysterically sad.

Did Lambert assemble this roster that's "impossible to get more production out of no matter how you align it?" And did Lambert hire himself?

Sure the coach has to go...After the guy who put it altogether does. To suggest anything else is missing the whole plot.
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Well I meant to say that the talent is there ... and the coach is not getting enough out of it. It seems they make one mistake and then they dive off a cliff and make multiple costly mistakes. They are not a good 3rd period team. I don't think he motivates enough. It is Barry Trotz style without Barry Trotz locker room mentality.....
 
Lame Lambert said:
This was supposed to be Bo Horvat
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True but Horvat was the one Lou settled on because he was the best fit for a defensive system and is a very good all around player. My problem with that is that he was having a career year in Vancouver because they just turned him loose but as soon as he comes to the Island it was system hockey which means he wasn't a pure sniper on Barzal's wing.

And I'm all for system hockey but you have to score goals and you have to have a power play that at least threatens to score a goal. Sometimes you needs to make exceptions within the system for the greater good even if you sacrificing a bit of said system. I loved Trotz and miss the hell out of him but that was also something he wasn't willing to do.
 
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MJF said:
Then stop holding onto the puck like he's trying to take it home with him, send it into a corner, and cycle.
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Like pretty much everyone in the NHL does...Barzsl should have a jar that he has to put 10k in every time he passes the puck in the direction of his own defending zone when it's not a PP.
 
majormet said:
Well I meant to say that the talent is there ... and the coach is not getting enough out of it. It seems they make one mistake and then they dive off a cliff and make multiple costly mistakes. They are not a good 3rd period team. I don't think he motivates enough. It is Barry Trotz style without Barry Trotz locker room mentality.....
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You really think this roster is talented enough to win a Cup this year?
 
majormet said:
I don't see any way to align this roster any differently to get more production, so coach has to go

This would be the best lineup that I can come up with and it moves guys sort of out of position

Pageau/Horvat/Barzal
Palmieri/Nelson/Engvall
Holmstrom/Cizikas/Ishakov
Lee/Fasching/Clutter

Benching Wahlstrom and Martin and cutting Gauthier
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Where does Devils legacy Kyle Maclean fit into this? Clearly he deserves a spot due to his father being the next Islanders head coach.
 
periferal said:
You really think this roster is talented enough to win a Cup this year?
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Win a cup is tough but a deadline type trade if they are in the hunt and a hot goalie can put them in position. They fire Lambert bring in a Sutter type then crawl up the standings and then make a deadline move that could help inject something, Longshot of course
 
majormet said:
Win a cup is tough but a deadline type trade if they are in the hunt and a hot goalie can put them in position. They fire Lambert bring in a Sutter type then crawl up the standings and then make a deadline move that could help inject something, Longshot of course
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Tough. If. Hot goalie. Position. Fire Lambert. Sutter-type. Crawl. Deadline move. Help. Inject something. Longshot.


Not exactly describing the Knights are you?
 
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Unless the whole hockey world has labeled a team as an official Stanley Cup contender, then better be rebuilding, picks, prospects, sign value contracts to never more…hoping that team gets that elite talent…
 
Some here , for several years could see the make up was missing parts , scoring, speed and when Andy Greene retired and Leddy and Toews got traded the framework was broken with patchwork being done and a GM who still believes. Deals need to be made but that can’t even happen as practically every player has a contract that no other team can take on whether it too long or too much. “In Lou we trust”
 
Trotz got the very best out of most of this team. He found a way to make players like Pelech and Pulock look like top tier NHL defensemen and the team gelled and looked really good. Trotz hockey was what this team was made for. I bet Lou wanted more offence and he wanted a new coach to unleash the potential in Barzal and play more attack-minded hockey. Well, Lane Lambert clearly wasn't the guy to do it. Barzal still struggles, the aging roster Lou upped and re-upped are going downhill alarmingly fast, the defence looks a shell of its former self, and the kids aren't progressing much.

Lambert is toast, but the question is if there is any coach out there who can turn all of this around, with no cap space and no real changes possible?
 
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IslesNorway said:
Trotz got the very best out of most of this team. He found a way to make players like Pelech and Pulock look like top tier NHL defensemen and the team gelled and looked really good. Trotz hockey was what this team was made for. I bet Lou wanted more offence and he wanted a new coach to unleash the potential in Barzal and play more attack-minded hockey. Well, Lane Lambert clearly wasn't the guy to do it. Barzal still struggles, the aging roster Lou upped and re-upped are going downhill alarmingly fast, the defence looks a shell of its former self, and the kids aren't progressing much.

Lambert is toast, but the question is if there is any coach out there who can turn all of this around, with no cap space and no real changes possible?
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I hear John Cooper is good at that coaching thing, I wonder if he’d leave Tampa and coach the team who practices down the block from his Alma Mater.
 
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