Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

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I would like to remind everyone that it is still very early in the season and there are highs and lows in any season - I am hoping they are able to pull themselves out of this. I have defended Lambert in the past, but I do think if they are not able to pull out of this in the next couple of weeks, then the team may need something NEW. A new voice, a new approach - Lambert is possibly not all that different or fresh of a voice than Barry. IMO, things have not gotten comfortable they have gone stagnant... need some fresh ideas and a new protagonist.
Yeah, I agree it's still a young season. However, when I'm watching games I don't feel like they have really been controlling any of them and are just getting unlucky. This doesn't feel like a "keep doing what your doing and the wins will come" situation. This feels like something has to change or these losses are going to pile up.
 
Count me in to being open to trading Barzal. He can't put an offense on his back, he doesn't lead offensively, he doesn't have enough elite tools to be an elite offensive player. He's worn thin on me; done with his game. As far as the return, not sure; depends on the direction of the franchise. Re-tool, or complete rebuild?

I'd still start with the coach though.
 
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Haven't said much this season thus far, but this team needs a coaching change after the West coast trip assume that they may beat Calgary but will lose to the other 2 teams. It seems that the issue is clearly... make a mistake and then a domino effect and that has a lot to do with the motivation for this team. I think there is a lot of dead wood on the roster Lee, Martin, Wahlstrom, etc... but there is still a lot of talent and great goaltending. This is the type of team that Darryl Sutter can take over and get them aligned properly. Lee should be on the 4th line and power play like many have suggested.

Trading Barzal is just not a good move. He has barely played with Horvat and I have feeling this Ishakov guy will get a call up with an injury and he may be the missing piece for that line. Holmstrom/Pageau/Fasching is probably their best 3rd line combo.

I would love to see a guy like Sutter do his midseason magic like he did with Los Angeles. The Kings were a team like the Isles that peaked and then hit a funk, hired a terrible coach and then replaced him with Sutter and they won 2 cups. Isles can be fixed with the right voice in the room.

Also this team does not play well with Pelech out of the lineup so the slide started with that for sure.

Lambert is an assistant coach and always should have been that. Reason why he was in his late 50's before he was ever hired.
 
Haven't said much this season thus far, but this team needs a coaching change after the West coast trip assume that they may beat Calgary but will lose to the other 2 teams. It seems that the issue is clearly... make a mistake and then a domino effect and that has a lot to do with the motivation for this team. I think there is a lot of dead wood on the roster Lee, Martin, Wahlstrom, etc... but there is still a lot of talent and great goaltending. This is the type of team that Darryl Sutter can take over and get them aligned properly. Lee should be on the 4th line and power play like many have suggested.

Trading Barzal is just not a good move. He has barely played with Horvat and I have feeling this Ishakov guy will get a call up with an injury and he may be the missing piece for that line. Holmstrom/Pageau/Fasching is probably their best 3rd line combo.

I would love to see a guy like Sutter do his midseason magic like he did with Los Angeles. The Kings were a team like the Isles that peaked and then hit a funk, hired a terrible coach and then replaced him with Sutter and they won 2 cups. Isles can be fixed with the right voice in the room.

Also this team does not play well with Pelech out of the lineup so the slide started with that for sure.

Lambert is an assistant coach and always should have been that. Reason why he was in his late 50's before he was ever hired.
he has not progressed offensively since he has been here and just got paid very well. if we can get picks and prospects for him, its not a bad move either. he is also a big issue on the PP.
 
I don't know. I saw a thread on Reddit discussing Jack Hughes and I feel like this reply I made sums them up: Jack Hughes looks like he's doing nothing out there, but he's doing everything while Mat Barzal looks like he's doing everything out there when he's actually doing nothing.

I have to agree at this stage in the game if you haven't learned how to take the puck and attack the net with the skill you have...you probably missed the boat to being a high end player. You can't be a 4v4 player when the game is mostly played 5v5. Teams just know to let Barzal play around the perimeter until he forces a terrible pass. He either needs to learn how to cycle the puck or attack the net. What he's doing right now isn't winning games.
Yeah I don't think your assessment on him is wrong, I just think we have a different interpretation of who he is as a player. He's doesn't have the hands or can finish like Hughes and he's not/nor ever will be a consistent goal scorer. With that said he can skate like the devil and is strong on the puck. Sure, he holds onto to it too long but it's not like he has anyone to dish it to. When he was playing with Lee and Eberle it wasn't as much of a problem and I wouldn't even consider them ideal considering they were playing in an uber defensive system. I will never forget him taking over the third period of game 6 against Tampa trailing by a goal. And who did he dish it to to tie it up with a perfect snipe? Scott Mayfield! Imagine him with a bona fide scorer on his wing. Again, he wasn't a problem back then because he at least had pieces around him that were there to do specifically what complements his game- score goals.

Barzal needs a sharp shooter. Someone like Laine, Stone or hell give me a Mike Hoffman. Someone, anyone, that can burry the puck in the net consistently.
 
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he has not progressed offensively since he has been here and just got paid very well. if we can get picks and prospects for him, its not a bad move either. he is also a big issue on the PP.
Barzal is basically untradeable because of his contract, as is most of this team. Lou has dug this team a hole so deep with his giving away of contracts, there are no trades to be made. No team is going to give up anything for any of the Islanders players because their contracts make them negative value players. I'm sure Arizona would gladly take Barzal for a 3rd if the point is to get rid for any price, but the signal it would send throughout the league is terrifying.
 
Not registering here. In the Covid season, he did NOTHING when he was one of the few players to not have Covid, the team floundered with him still in the lineup.

Last season, after Horvat comes aboard, the team plays over .600 hockey without Barzal in the lineup and makes the playoffs. This also after he went 17 games w/o a goal in the beginning of the season.

The Isles are not a good OT team either, an area he should excel at. Same with the SHO, his speed and skating should be an advantage in a 1/1 format too.

He’s not that important to the success of this team. You swap him out to better allocate his $9M towards another player(s) that can contribute more than he can either individually or collectively.
The Islanders don’t make the playoffs last year if Barzal doesn’t get hurt.
 
Brainworms, no offense to my fellow mod who I love and respect.
None taken. It’s a certainly a hot take, and I think everyone is entitled to their opinion. I’m just done with the delusion and rose tinted glasses over this roster and direction of the team.

Do we really need to trade everyone? Probably not, but I do question the efficacy of a retool that could potentially waste several years just to put us in the same position we are now. I was all for a retooling this offseason, but with the contract status of these players I don’t see it being an option anymore.
 
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There is no trade for Barzal out there that would make this team better. Problem was the coaching took an offensive player and tried to turn him into a Guy Carbonneau , taking away what he did in his first year, couple that with teams adjusting and essentially we have an under developed player that might just be what he is and we need to find a way to get the most out of this flawed player.
 
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None taken. It’s a certainly a hot take, and I think everyone is entitled to their opinion. I’m just done with the delusion and rose tinted glasses over this roster and direction of the team.

Do we really need to trade everyone? Probably not, but I do question the efficacy of a retool that could potentially waste several years just to put us in the same position we are now. I was all for a retooling this offseason, but with the contract status of these players I don’t see it being an option anymore.
I agree the direction is bad but I also agree we need more Barzal-like talent not less of it. Trading our only talented pieces and rebuilding is not entirely a guaranteed path to success and I don't ever see these owners doing it with the amount of money they are spending in the area in retail, they want fans in seats at (mostly) all costs. I could see them removing Lou (because they have to) at the END of the season and (hopefully) hiring someone like Tulsky or Darche if they are smart to go in a modern approach focused on younger offensively inclined talent.
 
Considering Barzal "Alexei Kovalev" is still the worst thing i've read. The amount of trash that we throw to Barzal is sickening.
Stylistically they're pretty similar. Statistically after 7 years in the NHL they're on similar paces, and after 7 years the Rangers were frustrated enough with Kovalev to trade him to Pittsburgh, a division rival.
 
Yeah I don't think your assessment on him is wrong, I just think we have a different interpretation of who he is as a player. He's doesn't have the hands or can finish like Hughes and he's not/nor ever will be a consistent goal scorer. With that said he can skate like the devil and is strong on the puck. Sure, he holds onto to it too long but it's not like he has anyone to dish it to.
Then stop holding onto the puck like he's trying to take it home with him, send it into a corner, and cycle.
 
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I agree the direction is bad but I also agree we need more Barzal-like talent not less of it. Trading our only talented pieces and rebuilding is not entirely a guaranteed path to success and I don't ever see these owners doing it with the amount of money they are spending in the area in retail, they want fans in seats at (mostly) all costs. I could see them removing Lou (because they have to) at the END of the season and (hopefully) hiring someone like Tulsky or Darche if they are smart to go in a modern approach focused on younger offensively inclined talent.
You need to take a square peg like Barzal and turn him into a useful player. On the Islanders he doesn't fit the other players around him. So cash in on him while you still can. The idea that the team can "sunset" the players around him who don't fit that style and start retooling towards that direction will take years to accomplish. By the time the Isles have that kind of team Barzal will be on the wrong side of 30 and well over 10 years in the NHL. Barzal is a wasted asset on the Islanders.
 
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Leadership might come if his production matched his alleged skillset.

I disagree, either you have it or you don't. And hockey IQ and leadership are tied at the hip - if you make a bad pass even though it had good intentions, you bust your ass back.

You start mixing up your decisions on a 2 v 1 because your team needs you to be more selfish.

Join the scrum when someone goes after one of your guys.

You don't get visibly frustrated when hitting the post or a receiver of your pass misses the net.
 
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Then stop holding onto the puck like he's trying to take it home with him, send it into a corner, and cycle.
Generally, when players see that their other options aren’t that hot, they take it upon themselves to do it, ie go to the net or shoot the puck.

But not here…he’s so special that he should just hang onto the puck forever until that sucky player gets in the absolute right spot so sucky player can at least hope to score a goal. What a theory proffered by Isles fans…
 
Barzal needs a sharp shooter. Someone like Laine, Stone or hell give me a Mike Hoffman. Someone, anyone, that can burry the puck in the net consistently.

This is why I was upset this offseason when people told me trying to acquire Olofsson was a stupid idea.

We can't score goals, a goal scorer was apparently available (probably for cheap) but we stick our nose up at it because he doesn't play defense. Neither does Hoffman or Laine.

Mark Stone will never be available again and I'm sure we already tried to acquire him when he was.
 
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I disagree, either you have it or you don't. And hockey IQ and leadership are tied at the hip - if you make a bad pass even though it had good intentions, you bust your ass back.

You start mixing up your decisions on a 2 v 1 because your team needs you to be more selfish.

Join the scrum when someone goes after one of your guys.

You don't get visibly frustrated when hitting the post or a receiver of your pass misses the net.
Fair point. I do notice body language. Barzal throws his head back and visibly mutters to himself when things go bad for him.

This was supposed to be Bo Horvat
Horvat isn't high end enough for Barzal?
 
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Generally, when players see that their other options aren’t that hot, they take it upon themselves to do it, ie go to the net or shoot the puck.

But not here…he’s so special that he should just hang onto the puck forever until that sucky player gets in the absolute right spot so sucky player can at least hope to score a goal. What a theory proffered by Isles fans…
Once Barzal stops and curls around and ends up on one of the cirlces looking for the pass option he's either going to pass it to a teammate or get forced into a turnover. Re-starting towards the net won't happen as he'll already be covered by the defense.

It's like a thoroughbred. Once the jockey pulls up on the reins a little bit the horse doesn't get going again. If he does it will be too late and the race is blown.
 
I used to like reading this thread. Now it is just.....someone get out the Vagisil please. This is a decent team, not great, not awful, with some potential to be better. Lou isnt trading anyone off the roster. There. Will. Be. No. Rebuild. If you bother to look at the cap situation, this team is basically locked in for this year and next. See that hill? get over it and hope for the best.
Can you stay for your weather updates at least?
 
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