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Wahlstrom just isn't going to move the needle much for the team and our only hope is he goes on a tear at a right time to trade him... or hire Snow for a day to Reinhart him.
 
Since Johnston was not waived, will Hudson Fasching go on LTIR to start the season? Use this as an excuse not to send down Holmstrom.
 
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MJF said:
Since Johnston was not waived, will Hudson Fasching go on LTIR to start the season? Use this as an excuse not to send down Holmstrom.
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Either Lou will waive Gauthier or send down Holmstrom is my honest guess. Sadly those two both outplayed both Johnston and Wahlstrom in preseason but will probably get shafted.
 
miscs75 said:
Either Lou will waive Gauthier or send down Holmstrom is my honest guess. Sadly those two both outplayed both Johnston and Wahlstrom in preseason but will probably get shafted.
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I think they will put Holmstrom in BPT on a paper transaction and then someone will go on the IR and then they will recall Holmstrom. Likely Fasching. Maybe whalstrom…or they find him a conditioning stint in the AHL.
 
miscs75 said:
Either Lou will waive Gauthier or send down Holmstrom is my honest guess. Sadly those two both outplayed both Johnston and Wahlstrom in preseason but will probably get shafted.
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Johnston is not an NHL player. This is the workings of an ancient GM who refuses to understand the value of roster spots and depth. Johnston objectively makes the team worse. As far as Wahlstrom goes, you simply cannot waive him coming off ACL injury. You need to give him time. He can be a 20 goal guy, and this team doesn't have the scoring depth to give up on a 23 year old goal scorer regardless of how flawed.
 
MikeyMike01 said:
When the Islanders miss the playoffs, we’ll all look back at the choice for 14th forward as the reason why.
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These types of decisions have a ripple effect. The Isles are not a deep team. Their first line winger is current Holmstrom, a guy that has scored 9 points in 50 games while getting legitimate time on the first line. When you lack that kind of depth, you have to have the best 14 forwards on the team. There should always be a risk of any of the forwards being taken out in favor of the 2 scratched forwards without losing much in terms of hockey performance. Johnston adds nothing to the roster aside from his UFC skills. Having a legitimate hockey player as an option allows for lineup flexibility. By putting in Johnston, you automatically make whatever line he's on useless.
 
JPIsles18 said:
Johnston is not an NHL player. This is the workings of an ancient GM who refuses to understand the value of roster spots and depth. Johnston objectively makes the team worse. As far as Wahlstrom goes, you simply cannot waive him coming off ACL injury. You need to give him time. He can be a 20 goal guy, and this team doesn't have the scoring depth to give up on a 23 year old goal scorer regardless of how flawed.
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Johnston is kept for a specific role and we all know this. As for Wahlstrom, he’s coming off a knee injury which is correct but he’s shown nothing in camp that explains the “f it” attitude he was claiming. All we’ve seen is his typical wait for everyone else to do the work so he can hopefully get a stagnant shot off. If anything, having 3 guys battling over 2 wing spots should push him to show he’s a better player than the others and is willing to grow his game. Everyone keeps pushing he’s young and has skill, yet he’s still basically on a trajectory towards mediocrity and showing no signs of improvement. It’s the 2023 equivalent of the Ho-Sang obsession.
How much time would you like to give him? Another 25 games with Barzal and Horvat where he shows he can’t play alongside Mat again? I’d rather not watch that on repeat.
 
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My take on the fourth line at this time is that Clutterbuck will miss a lot of action this season, Cizikas is going to get banged up a good bit along the way (causing him to miss some time), and Martin will wear out due to his slowing, but intense checking style and the inherent responsibility he has as a "tough guy". The slowing down of all three has been evident the past two seasons.

It's just how I'm seeing things right now.

I'm not truly sure the Isles can afford to dispatch Johnston at this point, because the "toughness" factor provided by the current fourth line is just too "iffy" in the durability department. Imagine those three being out and Johnston is somewhere in the western conference. I don't think Lou is ready to do that.

I can very well see times this season where a 4th line consisting of some combination of Johnston, Fasching/Gauthier, MacLean, and Durandeau will be made use of.

PS) Ross Johnston to be on NY Islanders final roster
 
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My take on the fourth line at this time is that Clutterbuck will miss a lot of action this season, Cizikas is going to get banged up a good bit along the way (causing him to miss some time), and Martin will wear out due to his slowing, but intense checking style and the inherent responsibility he has a "tough guy". The slowing down of all three has been evident the past two seasons.

It's just how I'm seeing things right now.

I'm not truly sure the Isles can afford to dispatch Johnston at this point, because the "toughness" factor provided by the current fourth line is just too "iffy" in the durability department. Imagine those three being out and Johnston is somewhere in the western conference. I don't think Lou is ready to do that.

I can very well see times this season where a 4th line consisting of some combination of Johnston, Fasching/Gauthier, MacLean, and Durandeau will be made use of.

PS) Ross Johnston to be on NY Islanders final roster
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Clutterbuck called out sick today. I wonder if it’s a 4 month flu?

 
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Chapin Landvogt said:
My take on the fourth line at this time is that Clutterbuck will miss a lot of action this season, Cizikas is going to get banged up a good bit along the way (causing him to miss some time), and Martin will wear out due to his slowing, but intense checking style and the inherent responsibility he has a "tough guy". The slowing down of all three has been evident the past two seasons.

It's just how I'm seeing things right now.

I'm not truly sure the Isles can afford to dispatch Johnston at this point, because the "toughness" factor provided by the current fourth line is just too "iffy" in the durability department. Imagine those three being out and Johnston is somewhere in the western conference. I don't think Lou is ready to do that.

I can very well see times this season where a 4th line consisting of some combination of Johnston, Fasching/Gauthier, MacLean, and Durandeau will be made use of.

PS) Ross Johnston to be on NY Islanders final roster
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I think they did a similar thing with Komarov. They’ll waive him when teams have their rosters set. Holmstrom is sent down - paper move and stay with the team. Then on opening night - call up Holmstrom and waive Johnston - he clears and stays with the team and practices with the team and never goes to B port.
 
What are people's opinions on Kyle MacLean? Any chance he becomes a bottom 6 forward at NHL level?
 
So now Johnston’s complete cap hit is off the books. He either gets picked by another team and it will remain off. Or he doesn’t get picked and he can be called up when needed.

So again, why were people so concerned with this particular contract?

If Isles ownership is willing to pay, then I’m all for paying borderline NHL players who can be buried in the minors at no cap cost. Just more depth.
 
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JPIsles18 said:
These types of decisions have a ripple effect. The Isles are not a deep team. Their first line winger is current Holmstrom, a guy that has scored 9 points in 50 games while getting legitimate time on the first line. When you lack that kind of depth, you have to have the best 14 forwards on the team. There should always be a risk of any of the forwards being taken out in favor of the 2 scratched forwards without losing much in terms of hockey performance. Johnston adds nothing to the roster aside from his UFC skills. Having a legitimate hockey player as an option allows for lineup flexibility. By putting in Johnston, you automatically make whatever line he's on useless.
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Disagree with the bolded. On the blue line, perhaps (especially when it comes to higher-end talent). But everywhere else I think we have plenty of NHL-caliber depth.
 
IslesNorway said:
Had to happen and it's the right move. He may well get claimed, but don't assume the Islanders will trade for anyone. The roster is set but this gives them a bit of flexibility, at the very least.
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Now they'll be able to accrue space and that'll be very important at the deadline when Lamoriello trades away another first round pick.
 
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Now they'll be able to accrue space and that'll be very important at the deadline when Lamoriello trades away another first round pick.
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Unless he’s claimed, then Lamoriello will trade that first to reacquire him!

The accrued cap savings can go to re-signing Radek Martinek. Rumor is that he was spotted skating somewhere on LI at some point…. as it has been for the past two decades. :sarcasm:
 
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