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These are legit polls that the Athletic has fans fill out. Isles fans are generally homers I find. This isn't an opinion ranking. It's based on actual fan base poll results. We all look for confirmation bias. If Dom said nothing but good things about the Isles, you guys would love him. Same for any writer/analytics guy. Very few fans are capable of objectively judging their own team. Myself, included.yes, and if you're asking who 31 is, its Vegas
He ranked these as the top 5. Article link also
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NHL front-office confidence rankings, 2023: How fans feel about every team
Based on the collective opinion of our well-informed subscribers, here’s how much confidence each team’s front office currently inspires.theathletic.com
I didn't fill out the poll results this year. However, I can't disagree with the low scores. We have a GM who rode the Trotz train to almost winning. Then almost winning became OK, with the GM fighting hard and mortgaging future cap and assets to bring back the same aging "almost winning" team.
I know some are impressed. And to extent, the amount we've squeezed out of this group is impressive, but you can't ignore the team is at least a tier or two behind the top teams while spending to the cap and no impact players on the horizon at an ELC cap hit. It's bleak. Maybe not 32nd, but bleak. But sure we can blame Dom for aggregating fan opinions and continue to stick our heads in the sand.
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Alright Dom, thanks for posting on a burner account
but in all seriousness, considering this "bleak" when the team was gonna relocate a decade ago, is nothing. 32nd or not, the isles have pretty much stretched their window as far as possible, and thats also in part with having an actual elite goalie for once. They shouldn't have to worry about a full scale rebuild until 2034
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The words “Legit polls” and “fans fill out” should not appear in the same sentence, imho.
If it’s fans being polled it is fan opinions and I don’t take them seriously.
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Fans are fans. We are all pretty reactionary. Hell, I was actually calling for a rebuild back in January because I had zero faith in Lamoriello and this core. Now I think they'll still stick around. These things can change like the wind. He ranked the Knights 31st before last season: now they're 6th. The fact they were ranked 31st says all you need to know about how Dom thinks and writes.
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The fans are the reason the Islanders (and the NHL as a whole) are able to generate revenue (and thus have a sustainable business model) though.
However, The Athletic, polling their subscribers (a small and inaccurate representation of the fan base), during the dog days of summer is not exactly a legitimate opinion and is meant to drum up controversy and traffic to their website/app.
After all, how else are they going to sell advertising space? When I first joined The Athletic, very soon after their inception, one of the main draws was that you were paying for a service in exchange for no advertisements. That is now gone, and unless they continue to offer me abhorrent discounts, I will no longer use their service.
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I think the whole idea of The Athletic is appealing but there is nothing that really drives me to the site. I first signed up for it due to Staple going there. Any of their fantasy football coverage for example is definitely worse than what ESPN used to put out back in the day. Eno Sarris on the baseball side is fantastic but he has a free podcast I can listen to if I want.
The Athletic hockey coverage needs to get away from the insane amount of analytical nonsense. When Kurz first came over from SJ a lot of their fans were happy he was leaving and now I know why. Gross is better than anything Kurz has to offer. The Garth Snow "interview" he did was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Kurz bitches about everything and everything on Twitter. If he spent half as much time on research for his articles as he did whining on Twitter he may be a halfway decent reporter.
Everything is on a spectrum. It's an opinion piece based on fan perspective as a whole - Isles fans and national fans that subscribe to the Athletic. There is usually pretty sizable feedback. This isn't Dom's opinion. It's fan opinion on the state of the franchise.
My personal opinion is that 32nd is far too harsh. It's an overreaction. 32nd should be the Coyotes for instance. It's hard to argue the Isles are not in the bottom 10 in their current state though. IMO the last two seasons were thrown away by Lou with his inability to improve on a successful product. Again, we gave up assets to bring back a very mediocre product. This season, I will admit, is different as we have Horvat and Engvall - drastic improvement over the last two seasons. Furthermore, we get Sorokin locked up at what seems like a very team friendly deal.
Lou deserves credit for bringing the Isles back to being credible. However, you see how quickly that turns once the on ice results match the roster on paper. It's compounded even more when there are no prospects on the horizon offering "hope." It's bleak, just not as bleak as 32nd.
If we're setting the bar at relocation though, we can never have a meaningful discussion about whether or not the team or franchise is moving forward. That's a conversation ender. If the response to "the Isles could be smarter, better at roster construction" is "yeah but at least we're not in Kansas City," sure you'll win that argument every time.
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That's not relevant. For those in denial, it's fitting to criticizing. Isles fans with the rosy types of shades fail to see what fans that don't drink the same kool aid see.
It's quite simple. This is a team many see as a long shot to win the Cup. This is a team that has so poorly managed the cap and prospect pool, that there is no path to win the Cup in the next 5 years (at least). The low confidence rating is deserved. Even if the poll wasn't done with strict scientific precision.
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Brilliant, the rigor behind the ‘legit’ pool is not relevant. The ‘poll’ is nothing more than click generated content so it’s meaningless behind generating clicks and getting people all excited. Seems like it works as intended, but to call it ‘legit’ - yeah, no.
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Only if there's a trade where we are sending out TWO forwards . . . and even then I'd prefer moving up the kids
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I agree that this team is a long shot to win the Cup, but if they decided to do a full tear down rebuild when Tavares left there’s still no guarantee that they would be further along than where they currently are.
Sure their cap situation would be healthier and more managable, but you look at teams like Buffalo, Detroit and Toronto and there’s simply no guarantee of success.
Also, how do you justify rebuilding during Sorokin’s prime years or justify trading the best goaltender you’ve had since…Smith? It would alienate the fanbase to have seen Sorokin lifting the Cup on Colorado or Florida (had they went after Ilya over Bob) for example.
Rosner is a solid guy and highly motivated to establish himself, but man he really likes to cherry pick to drum up traffic.
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The Islanders deciding to not rebuild was probably the best decision. They would have had to win the lottery if they had a top five pick or go off the board with Zegras.
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Their decision to not rebuild also allowed them to hire Trotz, who brought some legitimacy to the franchise and probably allowed them to re-sign key players like Pelech and Pulock, which probably in turn allowed them to sign key extensions from other core players after the fact.
If they had chose to rebuild, the would have been at the liberty of high draft pick's willingness to re-sign based on..."they were the team that they were drafted by". I'm not saying now is perfect, but we have no clue what would have happened if they chose to tear everything down to the studs (which is not as foolproof as one might suggest).
Islanders fans would find something to comain about no matter what. The look for reasons not to spend money on tickets. Meanwhile we’re still kicking the can down the road on a painful decision that is eventually going to come due.
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The excuses we make here for not rebuilding always gives me a chuckle. The team should have been broken up in 2022.
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Zegras and Barzal on the same NHL team would be absolutely hilarious to watch.
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